The Politics Thread

[Dr The Singh]

Surely that's normal. Occasionally it may be between someone else's legs but not generally.

It is normal when folk meet the Singh. However his tail was no where near big enough for me

[Guest Kopfkino]

    - you realise the global financial crash wasn't labours fault right? Or that actually the biggest cause of a lack of regulation in the financial sector, so the effects of the crash would have been even worse under the tories, who were promising more deregulation in the previous elections?

 

Don't say that as if it is fact, I know Krugman has done a sterling job of getting his propaganda out there but there's plenty of people out there that will say government intervention was the problem. Nobody can really know for sure anyway

[Dr The Singh]

Don't say that as if it is fact, I know Krugman has done a sterling job of getting his propaganda out there but there's plenty of people out there that will say government intervention was the problem. Nobody can really know for sure anyway

Krugman is a cvnt, everyone knows that

[Carl the Llama]

Until you start running a surplus ,debt is bound to increase.

Sorry, I misremembered.  It's a net borrowing chart which shows the Tory affection for spending what the UK doesn't have is at best equal to Labour's own inclination to spend the country into the ground, depending on how you interpret it.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/deficit-debt-government-borrowing-data#img-1

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[Dr The Singh]

Sorry, I misremembered. It's a net borrowing chart which shows the Tory affection for spending what the UK doesn't have is at best equal to Labour's own inclination to spend the country into the ground, depending on how you interpret it.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/deficit-debt-government-borrowing-data#img-1

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Are you a Corbynite Lama? If so, answer my question you cooont.

[Webbo]

Sorry, I misremembered.  It's a net borrowing chart which shows the Tory affection for spending what the UK doesn't have is at best equal to Labour's own inclination to spend the country into the ground, depending on how you interpret it.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/deficit-debt-government-borrowing-data#img-1

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I'd like to know "excluding financial interventions" means and that only goes upto 2012 but obviously the money you need to borrow depends on the state of the economy. Labour tend to inherit healthy economies from the Tories the tories always have to cleans up Labour's fvck ups.

 

Anyway how does borrowing all this money square with the cruel, ideological austerity that's claimed by Labour? How would not making cuts make that better?

[Dr The Singh]

I'd like to know "excluding financial interventions" means and that only goes upto 2012 but obviously the money you need to borrow depends on the state of the economy. Labour tend to inherit healthy economies from the Tories the tories always have to cleans up Labour's fvck ups.

Anyway how does borrowing all this money square with the cruel, ideological austerity that's claimed by Labour? How would not making cuts make that better?

Are you a Corbynite Webbo? if so or not, answer my question you cooont

[Carl the Llama]

Are you a Corbynite Lama? If so, answer my question you cooont.

I'm not sure if I am to be honest.  I do like his insistence on not being a massive shithouse in debates, but I find it hard allocating myself to any particular political bent.    A lot of my key views are typically left of centre - human decency, respect for others, the right to not be treated like shit for earning a low wage etc. - so I naturally agree with him more regularly than, say, a Cameron who unleashes the likes of IDS on unsuspecting job-seekers.  So you could say I self-identify with Corbyn, but do I follow his every word?  No more than any other political leader.

 

I've already answered your question of sorts, and that is to say that I have no words for such tremendous barbarism, it truly is shocking human behaviour.

[Webbo]

Are you a Corbynite Webbo? if so or not, answer my question you cooont

A Corbynite or a Corby nite? I wouldn't like either.

[Dr The Singh]

I'm not sure if I am to be honest. I do like his insistence on not being a massive shithouse in debates, but I find it hard allocating myself to any particular political bent. A lot of my key views are typically left of centre - human decency, respect for others, the right to not be treated like shit for earning a low wage etc. - so I naturally agree with him more regularly than, say, a Cameron who unleashes the likes of IDS on unsuspecting job-seekers. So you could say I self-identify with Corbyn, but do I follow his every word? No more than any other political leader.

I've already answered your question of sorts, and that is to say that I have no words for such tremendous barbarism, it truly is shocking human behaviour.

So why is Corbynites unwilling to help? Do you agree, he is just another politician, does what's in his best interest?

[Alf Bentley]

Saying the Tories would have made it worse is idle speculation, saying Labour were in charge during the worse crash in 70 years is fact and there's no getting away from that. 

 

 

Presumably, then, what Corbyn might do if he ever becomes PM is also idle speculation? Presumably, all the Tory posters on here will now stop devoting 95% of their posts to Labour and will concentrate on the policies of those in charge - the Tories?

 

Presumably, they'll talk instead about the housing crisis, the Tories sending net immigration through the roof, reneging on its pre-election promise to cap care costs for the elderly, Tory plans to slash the incomes of the working poor, growing inequality, Tory divisions over Europe, Tory destruction of the NHS etc.? To talk about anything other than those in charge would be idle speculation, wouldn't it? 

 

Welcome home, btw! I thought you were off in Florida or was that the previous holiday? You're clearly earning too much, Webbo. We need to impose a Socialist Wealth Redistribution Tax on you!  

[Dr The Singh]

A Corbynite or a Corby nite? I wouldn't like either.

Not even I would do a Corby night, still haven't answered the question though, you bitch.

[Dr The Singh]

Presumably, then, what Corbyn might do if he ever becomes PM is also idle speculation? Presumably, all the Tory posters on here will now stop devoting 95% of their posts to Labour and will concentrate on the policies of those in charge - the Tories?

Presumably, they'll talk instead about the housing crisis, the Tories sending net immigration through the roof, reneging on its pre-election promise to cap care costs for the elderly, Tory plans to slash the incomes of the working poor, growing inequality, Tory divisions over Europe, Tory destruction of the NHS etc.? To talk about anything other than those in charge would be idle speculation, wouldn't it?

Welcome home, btw! I thought you were off in Florida or was that the previous holiday? You're clearly earning too much, Webbo. We need to impose a Socialist Wealth Redistribution Tax on you!

You a Corbynite, Alf? If so or not, answer my question you dirty skag.

[Webbo]

Presumably, then, what Corbyn might do if he ever becomes PM is also idle speculation? Presumably, all the Tory posters on here will now stop devoting 95% of their posts to Labour and will concentrate on the policies of those in charge - the Tories?

 

Presumably, they'll talk instead about the housing crisis, the Tories sending net immigration through the roof, reneging on its pre-election promise to cap care costs for the elderly, Tory plans to slash the incomes of the working poor, growing inequality, Tory divisions over Europe, Tory destruction of the NHS etc.? To talk about anything other than those in charge would be idle speculation, wouldn't it? 

 

Welcome home, btw! I thought you were off in Florida or was that the previous holiday? You're clearly earning too much, Webbo. We need to impose a Socialist Wealth Redistribution Tax on you!  

When Corbyn announces some policies (and doesn't u turn on them within weeks) we can discuss them. As for Tory policies state your points and we'll discuss them.

[Dr The Singh]

When Corbyn announces some policies (and doesn't u turn on them within weeks) we can discuss them. As for Tory policies state your points and we'll discuss them.

Answer my fooking question

When Corbyn announces some policies (and doesn't u turn on them within weeks) we can discuss them. As for Tory policies state your points and we'll discuss them.

Answer my fooking question

[Webbo]

Answer my fooking question

Answer my fooking question

It's Ken's fault. 

[Dr The Singh]

It's Ken's fault.

Fair answer

[Alf Bentley]

Anyway how does borrowing all this money square with the cruel, ideological austerity that's claimed by Labour? How would not making cuts make that better?

 

In the 80s & 90s, the Tories almost consistently ran deficits by cutting tax for the rich (less revenue) and increasing spending on benefits by repeatedly presiding over mass unemployment, instead of promoting investment and a balanced economy, and by throwing millions onto the dole.

 

2010-15 they switched track and cut unemployment by presiding over a low-wage economy fueled by mass immigration and a boom in low-paid "self-employment". They reduced the deficit and imposed cruel, ideological austerity by slashing public spending, particularly for the most vulnerable, such as disabled people on benefits, and failing to encourage investment in vital services like housing. They have now moved onto making cuts by attacking not just unemployed/disabled "scroungers", but also the working poor and low-income families via tax credits. The cuts are not being imposed on those individuals and corporations that can best afford to pay. 

 

This is based on an ideological assumption that people end up rich or poor through their own merit or fault. If the Duke of Westminster inherits billions, that is his meritorious entrepreneurial achievement. If a kid from a dysfunctional family on a sink estate ends up under-educated or in a crap job, that's his fault for being a chav scrounger.

 

Glad to be able to clear up your query for you. 

[Alf Bentley]

You a Corbynite, Alf? If so or not, answer my question you dirty skag.

 

 

I believe in a new, kinder politics, Doctor, so cannot respond to questions in which I'm addressed as a "dirty skag". 

 

What is a "skag", anyway? I've heard of "slags" and "dags" and "fags", but not "skags". 

[Webbo]

In the 80s & 90s, the Tories almost consistently ran deficits by cutting tax for the rich (less revenue) and increasing spending on benefits by repeatedly presiding over mass unemployment, instead of promoting investment and a balanced economy, and by throwing millions onto the dole.

 

2010-15 they switched track and cut unemployment by presiding over a low-wage economy fueled by mass immigration and a boom in low-paid "self-employment". They reduced the deficit and imposed cruel, ideological austerity by slashing public spending, particularly for the most vulnerable, such as disabled people on benefits, and failing to encourage investment in vital services like housing. They have now moved onto making cuts by attacking not just unemployed/disabled "scroungers", but also the working poor and low-income families via tax credits. The cuts are not being imposed on those individuals and corporations that can best afford to pay. 

 

This is based on an ideological assumption that people end up rich or poor through their own merit or fault. If the Duke of Westminster inherits billions, that is his meritorious entrepreneurial achievement. If a kid from a dysfunctional family on a sink estate ends up under-educated or in a crap job, that's his fault for being a chav scrounger.

 

Glad to be able to clear up your query for you. 

Really?

[Dr The Singh]

I believe in a new, kinder politics, Doctor, so cannot respond to questions in which I'm addressed as a "dirty skag".

What is a "skag", anyway? I've heard of "slags" and "dags" and "fags", but not "skags".

I take your point, and agree, I take back the skag and call you a slag, will you know please answer my question?

[Dr The Singh]

Seriously folks , I'm disappointed, a week ago, coonts on here were bigging up Corbyn like he was the new coca cola, and today no fooker will answer my question.

[Buce]

I believe in a new, kinder politics, Doctor, so cannot respond to questions in which I'm addressed as a "dirty skag".

What is a "skag", anyway? I've heard of "slags" and "dags" and "fags", but not "skags".

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/skag

[Dr The Singh]

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/skag

You a Corbynite Buce, are you female enough to answer my question?

[Alf Bentley]

I take your point, and agree, I take back the skag and call you a slag, will you know please answer my question?

 

 

Was this the question about why Corbyn isn't responding to Indian government brutality by invading India so as to establish a free, independent Sikh homeland in the Punjab?

 

Honest answer? I haven't a fvcking clue, mate. Whatever's going on obviously has a very low media profile over here, as I've not seen anything about it, apart from in your posts.

 

The UK can intervene in "internal" foreign disputes (India being an established state) in various ways, mainly diplomacy.

 

So, what is Cameron doing about it, seeing as he's the one who's actually got the power to intervene if he wants?