The Doctor Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 That's pretty much it, vote for it or at worst abstain then repeal when you get back in if you need too. The more I watch Corbyn and Co the more I'm convinced they have no intention of being voted in. Well not even that - you'll find plenty of economists who'd recommend running a slight deficit, and put forward good arguments for it being better for the economy (Can't say I quite understand the ins and outs of it but it seems to boil down to if you spend more than you tax, people have more to spend on business), so even if they just took that route they'd be ok - what this looks like is just a disorganised shambles.
Foxxed Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 I really don't get the David Miliband hype, this man couldn't beat Ed Miliband among Labour voters, why does anyone think he could beat the Tories over the whole electorate? Not only that, with the current Labour membership how would he even manage to get voted in? If having the backing of the party membership meant electorbility, Corbyn should be set for a 200 seat majority. Fee-paying party members are going to vote for for their party even if it's headed by a family-sized bag of revels since "at least it's got the right coloured rosette on it!" The people any party want to be concerned with are the non-aligned voters in the swing constituencies. And for that you need a smiling bullshitter who can win around a few papers by telling them what they want to hear and having a leadership air about him, with a couple of simple, repetitive and likely meaningless slogans, to convince voters, in the few moments they pay attention to politics, that he'd not be a bad leader. Can't see anyone like that in the current Labour party, especially since Umunna ruled himself out and likely isn't too experienced at the moment, except probably The Return of the Milliband (cue the Mark Morrison music). If Labour's situation is so dire and divided after the local elections, the membership may well jump at the chance of having a camera-friendly former foreign secretary with international charity experience to sort things out, but obviously it depends on how deep a mess the Labour party gets themselves in after the local elections or whenever.
theessexfox Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 I was in Parliament this evening at the same time as the debate, in fact Bob Blackman left our talk to vote. It was a talk by Shout Out UK on how to get more young people involved in politics, which was interesting.
RedSoxUK Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 I was in Parliament this evening at the same time as the debate, in fact Bob Blackman left our talk to vote. It was a talk by Shout Out UK on how to get more young people involved in politics, which was interesting. What did he say?
bmt Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 It's not like there will be any sanctions or recriminations for failing to do this though. If labour were to get into power with this in place, they would just seek to change it or remove it. Which makes it pointless political pointscoring and a waste of time and money. As for the result, very predictable. Majority slightly less than I expected, expected more labour MPs to rebel and vote with the government.
Foxxed Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Which makes it pointless political pointscoring and a waste of time and money. 'Politics'. For about 80% anyway.
Strokes Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 Which makes it pointless political pointscoring and a waste of time and money. As for the result, very predictable. Majority slightly less than I expected, expected more labour MPs to rebel and vote with the government. Yeah it was a pointscoring, he was setting the labour party up. I'm pretty sure even he didn't think they would embarrass themselves quite so bad. He will be patting himself on the back right now.
bmt Posted 14 October 2015 Posted 14 October 2015 'Politics'. For about 80% anyway. Yeah it was a pointscoring, he was setting the labour party up. I'm pretty sure even he didn't think they would embarrass themselves quite so bad. He will be patting himself on the back right now. Agreed with both of you. Bit of a shambolic response really.
Rincewind Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 Not seen anything posted on here about PMQ. Apparently some MP's were laughing at one point at stories of hardship. It's not really the way to win people over is it? It will only alienate people more. This sort of behavior by MP's is what puts people off voting. I am talking about all parties. Very schoolkid playground antics. I am not interested in what was said as much as the reaction. It shows a lack of respect for the electorate. Mocking fellow MP's is one thing but mocking the general public is not on. This is not political it is having good manners. Go ahead and defend them if you wish.
Strokes Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 Not seen anything posted on here about PMQ. Apparently some MP's were laughing at one point at stories of hardship. It's not really the way to win people over is it? It will only alienate people more. This sort of behavior by MP's is what puts people off voting. I am talking about all parties. Very schoolkid playground antics. I am not interested in what was said as much as the reaction. It shows a lack of respect for the electorate. Mocking fellow MP's is one thing but mocking the general public is not on. This is not political it is having good manners. Go ahead and defend them if you wish. It really depends on what was said Ken, some of these 'hardship' stories are becoming very far fetched.
Finnegan Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34537841 AAAAHAHAHAHAGAHAGAHAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMG I CAN'T BREATHE Wtf OMYGOD ****ing amazing. HIS FACE. AAAAHAHAHAHAGAHAGAHAHHHH!!!
Rincewind Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34537841 AAAAHAHAHAHAGAHAGAHAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OMG I CAN'T BREATHE Wtf OMYGOD ****ing amazing. HIS FACE. AAAAHAHAHAHAGAHAGAHAHHHH!!! Thug.
Guest MattP Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 That is brilliant, might be better than when he tackled the German at football rugby style. Agreed with both of you. Bit of a shambolic response really. These were George Osbournee's words in the house 5 years ago. “Fiscal responsiblity acts are instruments of the fiscally irresponsible to con the public… We have to debate this vacuous and irrelevant legislation before us, but it begs the question: why did the Chancellor feel the compelling need to introduce it? Why is he the first Chancellor in our history that feels he needs an act of parliament on top of a budget statement? There are only two explanations. Either he doesn’t trust himself to secure sound public finances, or he knows the public doesn’t trust him to secure them.” How can not a single person from the opposition bring that up in two hours of debate about the fiscal charter? I don't think McDonnell will see Xmas.
Finnegan Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 lol Honestly almost cried with laughter looking at that. It's still funny now, I can't look at the first two photos without laughing. So much intent. Just make him president of the universe already, what a legend. I don't care what your politics are, Boris' life must just be so much fun. Absolutely doesn't give a ****.
Guest MattP Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 Not seen anything posted on here about PMQ. Apparently some MP's were laughing at one point at stories of hardship. It's not really the way to win people over is it? It will only alienate people more. This sort of behavior by MP's is what puts people off voting. I am talking about all parties. Very schoolkid playground antics. I am not interested in what was said as much as the reaction. It shows a lack of respect for the electorate. Mocking fellow MP's is one thing but mocking the general public is not on. This is not political it is having good manners. Go ahead and defend them if you wish. You really do need to watch these things Ken rather than getting your news and opinions off internet memes and "IDS is worse than Hitler" facebook groups. PMQ's is half an hour and this was at mid day, the fiscal charter was at 7pm last night and at that they wouldn't have been talking about stories of hardship. They were laughing at the handful of people behind Corbyn shouting "Yesss" so loud they were trying to convince people he was popular, they carried on laughing into the next question which was about poverty and then the Twitter trolls go into action. If you want to make accusations about the Tories do it, but at least watch the stuff you are making accusations about.
Guest MattP Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 Does the kid tackle top the BoJo headbutt to the nutsack? I think it does.
Finnegan Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 It's the sheer intent in his face, the sidestep, the drop shoulder and bam and all with the fact it's on a tiny ten year old boy. Absolutely priceless.
Guest MattP Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 The reaction of the Corbynistas to last night's vote has been absolutely hilarious, now wanting a purge of the abstainers who didn't vote with the government, the same people that saw Corbyn's recalcitrant qualities as a huge reason for why he should be the Labour party leader, you couldn't make it up. Here are the 21 abstainers, Fiona Mactaggart Rushanara Ali Ian Austin Ben Bradshaw Adrian Bailey Shabana Mahmood Ann Coffey Andrew Smith Simon Danczuk Jamie Reed Chris Evans Graham Stringer Frank Field Gisela Stuart Mike Gapes Margaret Hodge Tristram Hunt Graham Jones Helen Jones Liz Kendall Chris Leslie If they do have a purge the Lib Dems and Tories will be over some of them like vultures, more talent in Hunt, Bradshaw and Evans than on the entire current Labour front bench. A high proportion of them also seem to have it in their heads that the 21 "Tories" who abstained have voted in favour of "Tory cuts" - do they even bother reading or finding out what it's actually about, one guy was even hashtagging #torywelfarebill or something to his tweets.
Dr The Singh Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 The reaction of the Corbynistas to last night's vote has been absolutely hilarious, now wanting a purge of the abstainers who didn't vote with the government, the same people that saw Corbyn's recalcitrant qualities as a huge reason for why he should be the Labour party leader, you couldn't make it up. Here are the 21 abstainers, Fiona Mactaggart Rushanara Ali Ian Austin Ben Bradshaw Adrian Bailey Shabana Mahmood Ann Coffey Andrew Smith Simon Danczuk Jamie Reed Chris Evans Graham Stringer Frank Field Gisela Stuart Mike Gapes Margaret Hodge Tristram Hunt Graham Jones Helen Jones Liz Kendall Chris Leslie If they do have a purge the Lib Dems and Tories will be over some of them like vultures, more talent in Hunt, Bradshaw and Evans than on the entire current Labour front bench. A high proportion of them also seem to have it in their heads that the 21 "Tories" who abstained have voted in favour of "Tory cuts" - do they even bother reading or finding out what it's actually about, one guy was even hashtagging #torywelfarebill or something to his tweets. All in bold are worth a go???
Merging Cultures Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 What did he say?YOUTH. GET OUT AND VOTE.
Dr The Singh Posted 15 October 2015 Posted 15 October 2015 What I want to know, where is Corbyn, where are the Corbynites. Why isn't CORBYN asking the government to do something that's happening all the time in an ex british colony. The guy is asking for Britian to intervene in a case where people have been on trial and judged, where this case, people who pose no threat are just being shot and killed. Like every other politician, Crobyn is a fake and does what is in his interests https://www.change.org/p/bbc-bbc-report-on-indian-govt-opening-fire-on-peaceful-sikh-rally-after-media-blackout-order?recruiter=404428904#petition-letter
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