Guest MattP Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 It was about 2008 so I would think he's in the clear now, can you go across borders to chase debt? I doubt it's even worse the hassle.
leicsmac Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 It was about 2008 so I would think he's in the clear now, can you go across borders to chase debt? I doubt it's even worse the hassle. Nah, they probably won't be pursuing it any more. But just tell him to watch out for big rednecks with beards saying "This is a repossession" and TV cameras accompanying them.
Guest MattP Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 I'll ask him to send me the bill over Facebook and post it up if he gives me permission. It was hilarious, even a stomach pump on there for about 60 $. That said a private health service would probably benefit him anyway, what would a top rate tax payer on average contribute to the NHS over his life? Would be touching half a million surely?
Jon the Hat Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 I'll ask him to send me the bill over Facebook and post it up if he gives me permission. It was hilarious, even a stomach pump on there for about 60 $. That said a private health service would probably benefit him anyway, what would a top rate tax payer on average contribute to the NHS over his life? Would be touching half a million surely? I appear to be paying about £10k a year for health.
Finnegan Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 I get not wanting to pay for scroungers, immigrants and the elderly to have widescreen TVs and BMWs and all the stuff that benefit claimants apparently get to live in luxury with but I'll never understand anyone that objects to public health care. That's not to say the NHS is never wasteful and never needs a kick up the arse but the idea of private hospitals and surgeries being the norm rather than a nice alternative if you can afford it frankly terrifies me. I don't begrudge anyone opting in to BUPA or whatever else and if the competition from the private sector keeps the NHS on their toes, fine, but long may it remain.
Guest MattP Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 I don't think anyone really hates paying money into a healthcare service, I've never met anyone who doesn't want to those who genuinely need treatment refused it because of cost. I can certainly understand people being pissed off at paying large amounts of tax for those who abuse the system though, the ones who carry on abusing their bodies with food, drugs, fags and drink costing the service an absolute fortune. I know people who claim to passionately care about the NHS who carry on drinking and smoking despite being told not to by doctors.
Webbo Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 I get not wanting to pay for scroungers, immigrants and the elderly to have widescreen TVs and BMWs and all the stuff that benefit claimants apparently get to live in luxury with but I'll never understand anyone that objects to public health care. That's not to say the NHS is never wasteful and never needs a kick up the arse but the idea of private hospitals and surgeries being the norm rather than a nice alternative if you can afford it frankly terrifies me. I don't begrudge anyone opting in to BUPA or whatever else and if the competition from the private sector keeps the NHS on their toes, fine, but long may it remain. Don't believe the propaganda finners, nobody's secretly planning to privatise the NHS.
Jon the Hat Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 I get not wanting to pay for scroungers, immigrants and the elderly to have widescreen TVs and BMWs and all the stuff that benefit claimants apparently get to live in luxury with but I'll never understand anyone that objects to public health care. That's not to say the NHS is never wasteful and never needs a kick up the arse but the idea of private hospitals and surgeries being the norm rather than a nice alternative if you can afford it frankly terrifies me. I don't begrudge anyone opting in to BUPA or whatever else and if the competition from the private sector keeps the NHS on their toes, fine, but long may it remain. I quite agree, but lets not pretend it is free (or even cheap), that the service is anything other than ropey as **** outside of a minority of mostly critical services, or that isn't a massive political football used by everyone to bash the Tories with very little foundation. Don't believe the propaganda finners, nobody's secretly planning to privatise the NHS. No one with any power to make it happen anyway.
The Doctor Posted 22 February 2016 Posted 22 February 2016 I don't think anyone really hates paying money into a healthcare service, I've never met anyone who doesn't want to those who genuinely need treatment refused it because of cost. I can certainly understand people being pissed off at paying large amounts of tax for those who abuse the system though, the ones who carry on abusing their bodies with food, drugs, fags and drink costing the service an absolute fortune. I know people who claim to passionately care about the NHS who carry on drinking and smoking despite being told not to by doctors. Don't cigarettes generate a load more income in duties and taxes than they cost the public purse (both in terms of nhs costs and lost productivity due to illness) - I don't think you can really moan at smokers for costing you large amounts of tax for their treatment, across their taxes paid on cigarettes and their other taxes they've almost certainly more than covered their own treatment.
Thracian Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 Are you sure that hasn't been photoshopped Mac? Might be a different state but my mate had a superb room for 3 nights in Nevada and it was about 600$. Semi private room for 15 grand? How long was he there for? Either way the US system is exhorbitant. A friend of mine had a liver transplant. The number of daily pills she had to take was extraordinary - they had to be lined up and checked on her bed and occupied a space roughly the size of a pillow case. If she, rather than her insurance, had to pay for those pills (not an impossible situation, at least in part, given how long she's survived already) the cost would run into thousands of pounds a month. Surely no-one would advocate doing away with the NHS but it does need to be run far more efficiently to get best value from the money committed to it. I can't understand the conscience of anyone who would either drain those resources unreasonably or spend those resources recklessly. But perhaps that's why I'll never get rich as a businessman. Among other reasons!
Bryn Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 I've been told the taxes on cigarettes outstrip the cost of the illnesses associated but have always found it hard to believe. Maybe the ones we have a direct link for, like lung/oral/oesophageal cancer and COPD, but I think its burden certainly goes beyond that.
Thracian Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 Don't cigarettes generate a load more income in duties and taxes than they cost the public purse (both in terms of nhs costs and lost productivity due to illness) - I don't think you can really moan at smokers for costing you large amounts of tax for their treatment, across their taxes paid on cigarettes and their other taxes they've almost certainly more than covered their own treatment. It's still pretty dreadful to see the consequences of smoking close up. And I mean all the consequences - not just the results of disease. It's hard to say which are worse at times. They brought tears to my eyes when I visited a friend recently. Forty-something years old, she can hardly draw breath and her ebbing life is in tatters. Taxes or not, jobs or not, I'd see every cigarette factory closed tomorrow.
Bryn Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 A further 3 strikes announced, emergency care only, and we're going to launch a legal challenge against the threat of imposition. Sounds like Hunt might not have filled the paperwork in properly... Bold action from an organisation which has been previously criticised by its membership for being too passive. Since I've seen the new rotas, which confirm our worst fears (significant pay cuts affecting the worst rotas, no protection against recurrent antisocial shift patterns, days with night work of up to 10 hours and more being classed as zero hours, and worse) I'm in favour.
Guest MattP Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 As if you were ever going to be against it with your opinion of the Conservatives. (Cameron and the rest of the cnuts I believe you referred to them as the other day) Keep going anyway, if the BMA thinks it has the power to try and designate where taxpayers money is spent and fight against promises made in elected government's manifestos they'll only be one winner in the end. (Awaits made up stories about Hunt writing books and Murdoch press smearing NHS staff as lazy virtually everyday)
Guest MattP Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 Can anyone explain why these contracts costing the government more money when it's claimed everyone is getting pay cuts?
Finnegan Posted 23 February 2016 Posted 23 February 2016 Can anyone explain why these contracts costing the government more money when it's claimed everyone is getting pay cuts? Not without getting sued.
Bryn Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 As if you were ever going to be against it with your opinion of the Conservatives. (Cameron and the rest of the cnuts I believe you referred to them as the other day) Keep going anyway, if the BMA thinks it has the power to try and designate where taxpayers money is spent and fight against promises made in elected government's manifestos they'll only be one winner in the end. (Awaits made up stories about Hunt writing books and Murdoch press smearing NHS staff as lazy virtually everyday) Starting to think you're really quite simple to be honest.
Bryn Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 Think you need to go back and read the posts of Jon the Hat (allegiance is clear but his tone is neutral and reason) and Thracian (impassioned, perhaps to the point where his rationale is unclear but at least you respect where he's coming from) and compare it to your own posts. The only person in this thread colouring anything as Tories v the world is you, you want to bring everything back to that. I do hate this government, I hate pretty much the whole lot of them sitting in that hall, most of them got to where they are by kissing arse and taking backhanders, the labour government was no better. I still chose to take my time to read what was being offered and discuss with my colleagues, warning them to be cautious in spite of that.
Bryn Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 The man you're putting your faith in doesn't even bother to disguise his blatant lies.
Rincewind Posted 24 February 2016 Author Posted 24 February 2016 http://direct_democracy___an_agenda_for_a_new_model_party
Thracian Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2012/09/jeremy-hunt-co-authored-book-in-2009.html https://whatwouldvirchowdo.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/weve-found-jeremy-hunts-book-and-yes-he-does-want-to-privatise-the-nhs/ We’ve found Jeremy Hunt’s book – and yes, he does want to Privatise the NHS. September 24, 2015~ whatwouldvirchowdo Note: there is a live link to a pdf of the book at the bottom of this page. When I try to explain to people that highly controversial NHS reforms, such as the imposition of the new Junior Doctors’ contract, are part of a much wider plan to destabilise and deconstruct the NHS, I am quite often accused of being a conspiracy theorist. Amongst my front-line NHS co-workers, there is a widespread agreement that the government is pushing the health service towards privatisation. But amongst those not directly involved with the NHS, the perceptions are quite different. Many people believe that the NHS is too precious an institution for the Conservatives to destroy without risking political suicide. To justify this position, people will often point to the fact that no-where in any of the Conservative rhetoric or party political literature are there direct references to a desire to privatise the NHS. Well, this is not strictly true. It may be an old book but it is not made up story. ‘DIRECT DEMOCRACY’ by Jeremy Hunt et al. http://direct_democracy___an_agenda_for_a_new_model_party It must be so uncomfortable for you, wearing blinkers all the time. The NHS saga is not just about the the Conservatives.... http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/how-labour-broke-nhs-and-why-labour-must-fix-it.
Nick Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 That's Thracian calling another man, 'blinkered.'
Thracian Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 That's Thracian calling another man, 'blinkered.' Because I think today's Labour Party isn't worth the wind that's wasted on it doesn't mean I don't wish there was a movement that truly and responsibly represents the needs of British people who find life difficult for various reasons. I've only voted Conservative twice in my life - it's not something I've ever been glued to. Can't say I'm much enamoured of party politics anyway. Or even democracy really. A wrong or a bad decision is a wrong or bad decision however many vote for it and whichever party suggests it. I believe in making the best decision based on facts, effects on everyone concerned, and with regard to the consistency of any principles that might be affected. Because if principles can't be applied consistently (except in genuinely exceptional circumstances) there's not much point in having them. Politically I try to apply a guideline for refereeing that was suggested to me years ago, in asking myself, in times of uncertainty, "what is fair". So far, I've never considered any party to consistently represent fairness properly. Am I fair? I don't know but I always want to be. And I believe that rights or privileges should come with responsibility for the rights and priveleges of others - where that can be reasonably expected, achieved and understood.
Alf Bentley Posted 24 February 2016 Posted 24 February 2016 Because I think today's Labour Party isn't worth the wind that's wasted on it doesn't mean I don't wish there was a British movement that truly and responsibly represented the needs of people who find life difficult for various reasons. I've only voted Conservative twice in my life - it's not something I've ever been glued to. Out of pure nosiness, who have you voted for on the other occasions? In the interests of parity, I've mainly voted Labour, but voted Lib Dem a couple of times and Green in a couple of council elections.
Rincewind Posted 24 February 2016 Author Posted 24 February 2016 It must be so uncomfortable for you, wearing blinkers all the time. The NHS saga is not just about the the Conservatives.... http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/how-labour-broke-nhs-and-why-labour-must-fix-it. Did I say it was? I find it funny when attacking Corbyn Cameron cites 'The last Labour government' which was a government Corbyn was against. Blair and co. Corbyn did not agree with a few of the things they did which is some cases was a carry on from the Tory govt before Thatcher etc. So in fact Cameron is speaking against the Tories. Also Corbyn has always said the Iraq war was wrong, something the Tories on here have also said. The reason for my post was that a previous post said the news about Jeremy Hunt co-authoring a book which had sections backing privatisation of the NHS was made up. In other words. I wanted to check up on this so I did a search and found results that did indicate that parts of the book did favour a private system for all and in the list of contributors. Hunt's name was there. I do not know if he has the same views now as I cannot read his mind but I think it is a concern when we are keep being told it will not happen. I am skeptical of all politicians by the way from all parties. Out of pure nosiness, who have you voted for on the other occasions? In the interests of parity, I've mainly voted Labour, but voted Lib Dem a couple of times and Green in a couple of council elections. Me too. I am more Liberal than Labour. I mean the real Liberals not Lib Dems who sold their souls for a piece of the action. I am a Humanist.before aligning myself to anypolitical party and view each politician on their ability to show caring and empathy towards others. Unfortunately I feel Cameron and IDS seem to have failed on both accounts.Quite a few Labour MP's are just as bad appearing not to live in the real world. Sorry if my post upset anyone but I am not taken in by false smiles and rehearsed speeches and answers.
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