Dalian Atkinson - dead after being tasered by Police - Reports

[MC Prussian]

Might well be a case of very unfortunate circumstances.

 

Heard Atkinson was epileptic, so using a taser on him might have had a terrible effect on his heart rate, leading to a cardiac arrest.

My guess is: Police thought he acted menacingly because of his erratic movements, the officer(s) was/were sort of trigger-happy, there's your mess.

 

R.I.P.

[VLC86]

21 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

Might well be a case of very unfortunate circumstances.

 

Heard Atkinson was epileptic, so using a taser on him might have had a terrible effect on his heart rate, leading to a cardiac arrest.

My guess is: Police thought he acted menacingly because of his erratic movements, the officer(s) was/were sort of trigger-happy, there's your mess.

 

R.I.P.

Angela Lansbury in the house.

[Jimothy]

1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

Might well be a case of very unfortunate circumstances.

 

Heard Atkinson was epileptic, so using a taser on him might have had a terrible effect on his heart rate, leading to a cardiac arrest.

My guess is: Police thought he acted menacingly because of his erratic movements, the officer(s) was/were sort of trigger-happy, there's your mess.

 

R.I.P.

 

Maybe someone who works with the police, or knows the procedure might know this, but at what point is it decided the taser should be used? I'm not a copper, so I don't know, but surely if someone isn't holding a weapon, or explosives, then what's stopping the police just walking up to someone and arresting them? If Atkinson wasn't armed, and was just behaving strangely, why couldn't they just restrain him, was there really a need to taser him?

 

Obviously all ifs and buts because we don't know the full story yet.

[Leicesterpool]

On midlands today a local was interviewed who witnessed the incident claimed the police officers kicked Dalian while he was on the ground. Not once but twice.

[Nick]

11 hours ago, DB11 said:

#BlackLivesMatter Another story for the extremist group to latch onto and incite violence.

 

I mean it's not like the police would have used a taser on him for no reason. It's not like he wouldn't have been posing a danger to either himself or others. Oh no, the police just tasered him cos he was black

 

So that's you and eight other plonkers who have repped you that have no clue what you are are on about then.

 

 

[Nick]

11 hours ago, DB11 said:

What, like a firearm? If it gets to the level that a taser had to be used how would you propose to have dealt with it?

 

And what level is that exactly - the moment someone feels out of their depth and panics? you don't know what you are on about mate.

[Nick]

8 hours ago, The Railway Man said:

It's not readers of those papers that spring to mind, more your Guardian reading types these days when it comes to any type of "hate crime".

Liberal opinion is invariably on the side of the defendant and against the state and the judiciary. Except when the bloke in the dock is white and male and the person on the bench is black and female. Given those circumstances, it’s a completely different issue. Somehow the liberals assume the power is in the hands of the white, racist defendant, even when it clearly isn't.

 

A lot "progressives" think nobody should be sent to prison, because prison doesn’t work — except racists of course, in which case the term can never be too long.

 

 

It's not even ignorance on a stick because I can't see the stick.

[DB11]

7 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

And what level is that exactly - the moment someone feels out of their depth and panics? you don't know what you are on about mate.

Oh I definitely do

[Nick]

1 hour ago, DB11 said:

Oh I definitely do

So you are a police officer then?

 

And you know what happened because you were there on scene?

 

 

[Guest MattP]

9 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

So that's you and eight other plonkers who have repped you that have no clue what you are are on about then.

Great, here's Nick again to tell everyone why he's right and everyone else is wrong, despite no one even knowing the facts yet, what has he actually said that's wrong?

 

I've already seen numerous people say on Facebook he has been killed because he is black without any evidence whatsoever.

[Nick]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

Great, here's Nick again to tell everyone why he's right and everyone else is wrong, despite no one even knowing the facts yet, what has he actually said that's wrong?

 

I've already seen numerous people say on Facebook he has been killed because he is black without any evidence whatsoever.

Great, here's Matt again to tell us what he's read on Facebook and not grasping that DB11 has done exactly what he's accusing me of by making a judgement without the full facts and ignorantly discriminating against a campaign hoping to address blatant inequality and discriminatory institutionalised values in the Policing.

[Guest MattP]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Great, here's Matt again to tell us what he's read on Facebook and not grasping that DB11 has done exactly what he's accusing me of by making a judgement without the full facts and ignorantly discriminating against a campaign hoping to address blatant inequality and discriminatory institutionalised values in the Policing.

 

What do want?

We want dead cops inequality and discriminatory institutionalised values addressed (whoops)

When do it want it?

Now.

 

You'll be telling me the EDL are protesting about the left behind white working class next.

 

 

[Nick]

1 minute ago, MattP said:

 

What do want?

We want dead cops inequality and discriminatory institutionalised values addressed (whoops)

When do it want it?

Now.

 

You'll be telling me the EDL are protesting about the left behind white working class next.

 

 

I've not said or endorsed any of the above and I haven't got the time or the inclination to bang on to you all day about over representation of ethnic minority groups in the CJS, Prisons, Stop and Search, Sentencing, Police use of excessive force.....etc because you clearly have all the information you need from your extensive Twitter research on this topic. 

 

 

[Guest MattP]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

I've not said or endorsed any of the above and I haven't got the time or the inclination to bang on to you all day about over representation of ethnic minority groups in the CJS, Prisons, Stop and Search, Sentencing, Police use of excessive force.....etc because you clearly have all the information you need from your extensive Twitter research on this topic. 

I'm not on Twitter, you don't need social media though to realise the US police basically have a problem killing a lot of people, not just the black ones they push to the top of the news headlines every time it happens.

 

Milo Yiannopoulos does an easy job of showing this up down using the pretty basic FBI statistics.

 

 

[Nick]

Just now, MattP said:

I'm not on Twitter, you don't need social media though to realise the US police basically have a problem killing a lot of people, not just the black ones they push to the top of the news headlines every time it happens.

 

Milo Yiannopoulos does an easy job of showing this up down using the pretty basic FBI statistics.

 

 

WHO'S TALKING ABOUT THE U.S?

 

 

[Guest MattP]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

WHO'S TALKING ABOUT THE U.S?

 

 

Black Lives Matter are pretty much US based aside from a handful of skunk ridden junkies who decided to block a road to an airport.

[Nick]

Skunk ridden junkies?

 

You should perhaps consider a career change Matt.

 

You'd fit right in.

 

 

2 minutes ago, MattP said:

Black Lives Matter are pretty much US based aside from a handful of skunk ridden junkies who decided to block a road to an airport.

 

[Buce]

4 minutes ago, MattP said:

Black Lives Matter are pretty much US based aside from a handful of skunk ridden junkies who decided to block a road to an airport.

I can only assume that's the drink talking.

 

A bit early, even for you, Matt.

[Guest MattP]

Well if we are talking about the UK then let's look at the figures, the Guardian itself published statistics that 17 people died in police custody in 2014-5 - the highest number for five years - fourteen of those who died were men and three were women and they were aged between 22 and 57. Fifteen were white, one was of Asian ethnicity and one was from a black background.

 

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/13493071.17_deaths_in_police_custody_at_highest_level_in_years/

 

I suppose "black life mattered" doesn't have the same ring to it while you are trying to pretend the UK is a racist as the US. Although why anyone would want to do that I don't know (well I do, but you know I mean)

 

 

[Nick]

8 minutes ago, MattP said:

Well if we are talking about the UK then let's look at the figures, the Guardian itself published statistics that 17 people died in police custody in 2014-5 - the highest number for five years - fourteen of those who died were men and three were women and they were aged between 22 and 57. Fifteen were white, one was of Asian ethnicity and one was from a black background.

 

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/13493071.17_deaths_in_police_custody_at_highest_level_in_years/

 

I suppose "black life mattered" doesn't have the same ring to it while you are trying to pretend the UK is a racist as the US. Although why anyone would want to do that I don't know (well I do, but you know I mean)

 

 

So you are basing this argument entirely on deaths in Police Custody in 2014-15. What about prison population, stop and search, police use of force, sentencing differences, traffic stops? 

[VLC86]

Popcorn, Popcorn, who wants to buy some popcorn?

[Finnegan]

40 minutes ago, MattP said:

Black Lives Matter are pretty much US based

 

Right.

 

So why are we arguing about them in a thread about a British footballer getting sadly killed by a police officer attempting to use non lethal force*?

 

 

(*as far as we know.)

 

The press seem really determined to make black lives matter relevant in the UK. It sells papers I guess. I might be a bit naive but we surely don't have anything like the problem the US do?

[Darkon84]

9 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Right.

 

So why are we arguing about them in a thread about a British footballer getting sadly killed by a police officer attempting to use non lethal force*?

 

 

(*as far as we know.)

 

The press seem really determined to make black lives matter relevant in the UK. It sells papers I guess. I might be a bit naive but we surely don't have anything like the problem the US do?

 

Unfortunately, I've seen hundreds and hundreds of comments all over, immediately labelling it over the top, racist police brutality and saying BLM need to get involved and protest against the police officers. It's bloody ridiculous.

[Finnegan]

Just now, Darkon84 said:

 

Unfortunately, I've seen hundreds and hundreds of comments all over, immediately labelling it over the top, racist police brutality and saying BLM need to get involved and protest against the police officers. It's bloody ridiculous.

 

I assume by all over you mean standard twitter and facebook rubbish?

[Darkon84]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

I assume by all over you mean standard twitter and facebook rubbish?

 

Well, that would count as social media, and though I don't tend to take much notice of it as it's usually just a breeding ground for morons to spout their mouth off, there certainly seems to be a growing number of people willing to jump to these conclusions, and as Matt said, appear to, in some sort of sick way, wish there was this horrific level of police brutality here so they can be outraged.

I'm not really willing to get in to a BLM or police debate on the thread of an (unfortunately and sadly) dead footballer's thread, I was simply pointing out that there are a lot of people out there who want to see BLM grow over here.