Dalian Atkinson - dead after being tasered by Police - Reports

[Burmesefox]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I'm not on Twitter, you don't need social media though to realise the US police basically have a problem killing a lot of people, not just the black ones they push to the top of the news headlines every time it happens.

 

Milo Yiannopoulos does an easy job of showing this up down using the pretty basic FBI statistics.

 

 

WTF even is this and what relevance is this? He is a right wing entrepeneur with an agenda talking about the US - this chap is Zoolander meets Trump meets Gog Wan meets George Michael. Maybe he should realise poverty is the issue - he negates to mention the statistics regarding blacks and poverty.  

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

So you are a police officer then?

 

And you know what happened because you were there on scene?

 

 

Niether were you.

 

As I said on the previous page there seems to be this assumption that every black person is killed just because they are black which is wrong. DB11 said that police won't tazer anybody for no reason which is correct.

 

This thread has turned into a debate for, quite frankly, no reason. A person died after the Police were called to the scene, it's not the first time and won't be the last time, regardless of skin colour.

[Burmesefox]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Niether were you.

 

As I said on the previous page there seems to be this assumption that every black person is killed just because they are black which is wrong. DB11 said that police won't tazer anybody for no reason which is correct.

 

This thread has turned into a debate for, quite frankly, no reason. A person died after the Police were called to the scene, it's not the first time and won't be the last time, regardless of skin colour.

nobody on hear has said he was tasered because he was black. Its standard right wing thought process to jump to that conclusion - like when social media starts untrue rumours that Muslims are trying to ban Christmas or the wearing of crucifixes etc

[Bellend Sebastian]

11 minutes ago, Burmesefox said:

WTF even is this and what relevance is this? He is a right wing entrepeneur with an agenda talking about the US - this chap is Zoolander meets Trump meets Gog Wan meets George Michael. Maybe he should realise poverty is the issue - he negates to mention the statistics regarding blacks and poverty.  

That's the guy that got permanently banned from Twitter for (allegedly) directing racist abuse at Ghostbusters actress Leslie Jones.

 

The more I read about him the more confused about what he really is.  He comes out with all this hateful stuff for which there's clearly a huge audience, but despite the ranting and the venom he gives off this weird air that he could turn around at any minute and say it was all just for a laugh.  It just doesn't feel real, somehow

 

 

 

[Burmesefox]

Just now, Bellend Sebastian said:

That's the guy that got permanently banned from Twitter for (allegedly) directing racist abuse at Ghostbusters actress Leslie Jones.

 

The more I read about him the more confused about what he really is.  He comes out with all this hateful stuff for which there's clearly a huge audience, but despite the ranting and the venom he gives off this weird air that he could turn around at any minute and say it was all just for a laugh.  It just doesn't feel real, somehow

 

 

 

Its the US where content is second to image - just look at Trump, just look at their politics - its empty rhetoric.

[foxy boxing]

such a terrible story and a really sad one, condolences to his family and friends. i really do not know how to respond except that the tasering someone should be the extreme last resort and should not be put in everyday usage

[The Railway Man]

9 minutes ago, Burmesefox said:

Its the US where content is second to image - just look at Trump, just look at their politics - its empty rhetoric.

As opposed to blaming things on the lynch mob of Sun/Daily Mail/Express readers, which is obviously cutting edge political insight rather than left wing empty rhetoric

 

[MC Prussian]

2 hours ago, MattP said:

I'm not on Twitter, you don't need social media though to realise the US police basically have a problem killing a lot of people, not just the black ones they push to the top of the news headlines every time it happens.

 

Milo Yiannopoulos does an easy job of showing this up down using the pretty basic FBI statistics.

 

 

I'm sorry, Matt. But quoting Breitbart is as a reliable a source on police brutality as is the Communist Party when it comes to wealth distribution.

 

They're a ultra-conservative outlet for Tea Party sympathizers and right-wing demagoges.

 

And secondly, it's a bit far-fetched to point to the States when we have a UK issue here.

[The Railway Man]

38 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

That's the guy that got permanently banned from Twitter for (allegedly) directing racist abuse at Ghostbusters actress Leslie Jones.

 

The more I read about him the more confused about what he really is.  He comes out with all this hateful stuff for which there's clearly a huge audience, but despite the ranting and the venom he gives off this weird air that he could turn around at any minute and say it was all just for a laugh.  It just doesn't feel real, somehow

He's very concerned about the rise or Islam in our World (as any young gay man in the liberal West should be) but I've never really seen him write anything that I would describe as racist.

 

There has been a huge increase in this sort of social media commentary though in this day and age from all sides.

[Burmesefox]

30 minutes ago, The Railway Man said:

As opposed to blaming things on the lynch mob of Sun/Daily Mail/Express readers, which is obviously cutting edge political insight rather than left wing empty rhetoric

 

Mmmm, that makes sense. . 

[leicsmac]

52 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

I'm sorry, Matt. But quoting Breitbart is as a reliable a source on police brutality as is the Communist Party when it comes to wealth distribution.

 

They're a ultra-conservative outlet for Tea Party sympathizers and right-wing demagoges.

 

And secondly, it's a bit far-fetched to point to the States when we have a UK issue here.

This. 

I would take Breitbart as seriously as a source as I would Salon from the other end of the spectrum.

 

 

40 minutes ago, The Railway Man said:

He's very concerned about the rise or Islam in our World (as any young gay man in the liberal West should be) but I've never really seen him write anything that I would describe as racist.

 

There has been a huge increase in this sort of social media commentary though in this day and age from all sides.

To be honest it's Milo's penchant for serious misogyny that gets me more than his commentary on racial issues. 

[Bellend Sebastian]

36 minutes ago, The Railway Man said:

He's very concerned about the rise or Islam in our World (as any young gay man in the liberal West should be) but I've never really seen him write anything that I would describe as racist.

 

There has been a huge increase in this sort of social media commentary though in this day and age from all sides.

Yeah, I was a bit careless with my phraseology there.  On the Leslie Jones thing it was more, I think, that he was seen to be encouraging the attacks on her which were inevitably going to end up being a racist shitstorm, and probably why he's whining so much about getting banned.  He knows full well who his audience are and what the outcome is going to be, so the suggestion that he's giving tacit approval to the actions of a bunch of racist freaks is hardly outlandish, and that's probably what Twitter thought.

 

Like Mac says, misogyny seems to be really his thang, so to speak.

 

It does make you wonder where the media is headed.  I for one won't lament the collapse of the print newspaper industry when it comes (whenever that is), but you cannot help but worry about what seems to be springing up in its place

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kushiro]

Enjoyed this:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3743075/Dalian-Atkinson-remembered-Spain-match-winning-performance-Nou-Camp-Real-Sociedad-shocked-Barcelona.html

[Finnegan]

5 minutes ago, kushiro said:

Enjoyed this:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3743075/Dalian-Atkinson-remembered-Spain-match-winning-performance-Nou-Camp-Real-Sociedad-shocked-Barcelona.html

 

Atkinson was the first black player to sign for Real Sociedad and he was nicknamed El txipiron - The Squid – by the fans.

 

 

Lol

[Guest MattP]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Atkinson was the first black player to sign for Real Sociedad and he was nicknamed El txipiron - The Squid – by the fans.

 

 

Beat off competition from another Sociedad supporter named "El Thracique" who wanted to name him "Gorila Gigante".

[Finnegan]

39 minutes ago, MattP said:

Beat off competition from another Sociedad supporter named "El Thracique" who wanted to name him "Gorila Gigante".

 

[DB11]

Update on investigation into police contact with Dalian Atkinson prior to his death

 

The Independent Police Complaints Commission’s (IPCC) investigation into the death of Dalian Atkinson in Telford is continuing.

 

Mr Atkinson died following contact with police outside an address in Meadow Close, Trench on Monday 15 August. During the incident a Taser was discharged by an officer. Further analysis of the Taser is being conducted. The IPCC’s team of investigators has gathered statements from a number of witnesses.

 

A post mortem was held yesterday (Wednesday 17 August) and the cause of death was inconclusive. Further tests will be carried out. The IPCC is liaising with HM Coroner.

 

Two West Mercia Police officers have been advised they are under criminal investigation and are also being served with gross misconduct notices.

 

A criminal investigation does not mean that criminal charges will necessarily follow. The IPCC investigation is at an early stage and the position will be kept under review as the investigation progresses.

 

IPCC Commissioner Derrick Campbell said: “Having carefully considered the evidence gathered so far, we are undertaking a criminal investigation into the circumstances surrounding Mr Atkinson’s death and the level and type of force used. Two police officers will be interviewed under criminal caution by IPCC investigators.

 

“As this is a criminal investigation, the IPCC is limited in the amount of information which can be released into the public domain. I would ask people to be patient during the progress of our investigation and not to add to speculation about the circumstances of Mr Atkinson’s death. Speculation across the media as a whole can risk prejudice to the investigation process.

 

“We will keep Mr Atkinson’s family updated and our thoughts remain with all of those affected by his death.”

 

https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/update-investigation-police-contact-dalian-atkinson-prior-his-death

[ozleicester]

Criminal investigation into the officers. 

 

People who immediately blamed the victim are hopefully rethinking their attitudes

[Webbo]

1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

Criminal investigation into the officers. 

 

People who immediately blamed the victim are hopefully rethinking their attitudes

That's standard procedure and nobody was blaming the victim.

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Criminal investigation into the officers. 

 

People who immediately blamed the victim are hopefully rethinking their attitudes

Who blamed the victim? The reoccurring theme in this thread was don't jump to conclusions, which was correct.

[Burmesefox]

2 hours ago, Webbo said:

That's standard procedure and nobody was blaming the victim.

Yeah DB11 did, he said  "How can your default stance possibly be "we don't know it's not useful to accuse him (Atkinson)" as if you actually think that the police would taser him for no reason? Really?"

[Burmesefox]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Who blamed the victim? The reoccurring theme in this thread was don't jump to conclusions, which was correct.

DB11 did.

 

[DB11]

Every death following police contact leads to the serving of such notices, it's nothing new? It just affords the officers certain legal rights during the investigation.

 

How can the IPCC investigate without telling the officers they're under investigation?

 

My default stance remains that the officers would not have tasered him for no reason

[DB11]

On 15 August 2016 at 12:40, DB11 said:

How can your default stance possibly be "we don't know it's not useful to accuse him" as if you actually think that the police would taser him for no reason? Really?!

 

20 hours ago, Burmesefox said:

DB11 did.

 

Perhaps you should re-read what I said. I've even highlighted it in bold for you. Even the post I quoted of yours, which was a quote of mine, that original post doesn't blame Atkinson anywhere - it simply says the police would not have used a taser without just cause. 

[Jimothy]

25 minutes ago, DB11 said:

 

Perhaps you should re-read what I said. I've even highlighted it in bold for you. Even the post I quoted of yours, which was a quote of mine, that original post doesn't blame Atkinson anywhere - it simply says the police would not have used a taser without just cause. 

 

Well they might, that's why they investigate when there's a death in these circumstances. If we just assume that the police won't use a taser without just cause there'd be no point investigating the incident.