Islam slimani

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Erm, that's a bit strong.

Yeah but take his goals away.... you know what I mean.....

[foxes21]

slimani doesn't win many headers from long hoofs or get flick ons, but that's not his game really.

 

he needs it to feet, so he can shield the ball and bring others into play.

 

[Manwell Pablo]

4 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Yeah but take his goals away.... you know what I mean.....

 

I agree it doesn't show weakness of character, been told his whole career he wasn't good enough yet kept going. I think there was a time when Pearson and co were the only people on the planet that thought he could cut it (including Vardy himself) and they should be heavily commended for that. 

[Nick]

Just now, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I agree it doesn't show weakness of character, been told his whole career he wasn't good enough yet kept going. I think there was a time when Pearson and co were the only people on the planet that thought he could cut it (including Vardy himself) and they should be heavily commended for that. 

Agreed, I just lose my rag with people that apply ridiculous unfounded labels on Vardy because they can.

[HankMarvin]

21 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

Or it shows strength of character?

 

Come on here labelling the likes of Vardy - who in his life has always been told he's not good enough and disproven that at every level of football culminating in being a Premier League Champion, holding the consecutive record for Prem goals and coming second in the golden boot?

 

And you expect to be taken seriously making sweeping statements like that?

 

There's only one weak mentality here and that's your inability to support a fella and publicly label him in a derogatory manner who's practically single handedly won us a title and stayed loyal to the club.

 

Disrespectful.

 

 

Thanks Jeremy Kyle 

Digressing somewhat off the original post, 

the point I made is when at the peak of his powers it was like Roy of the Rovers stuff, the  flip side is he has a weak mentality, wanting to quit ( although he was never really seen as massive flop by all fans and didn't get half the stick others have had) also drinking heavily at the same point.

 

i am merely pointing out he has a weak mentality, and the longer he struggles for form the worse I fear his touch and form will get, that doesn't mean I don't like him or rate him for what he has done and achieved.

 

Its not such a bold sweeping statement when all the evidence is there is his history.

 

 

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Thanks Jeremy Kyle 

Digressing somewhat off the original post, 

the point I made is when at the peak of his powers it was like Roy of the Rovers stuff, the  flip side is he has a weak mentality, wanting to quit ( although he was never really seen as massive flop by all fans and didn't get half the stick others have had) also drinking heavily at the same point.

 

i am merely pointing out he has a weak mentality, and the longer he struggles for form the worse I fear his touch and form will get, that doesn't mean I don't like him or rate him for what he has done and achieved.

 

Its not such a bold sweeping statement when all the evidence is there is his history.

 

 

 

 

No - it doesn't matter how many times you write 'weak mentality' it doesn't change the fact its unfounded, baseless, horseshit of an assumption.

[HankMarvin]

10 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I agree it doesn't show weakness of character, been told his whole career he wasn't good enough yet kept going. I think there was a time when Pearson and co were the only people on the planet that thought he could cut it (including Vardy himself) and they should be heavily commended for that. 

This I could agree with, if he felt like quitting having spent time in non league.

but he struggled after he got his big move and must've of doubted his own ability.

there are many players that are plucked from footballing obscocruity, surely the big move is  (at the time) justification for all the hard work you have put in your career.

 

 

[filbertstreet]

28 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Erm, that's a bit strong.

well he did have one hand in a cast most of the season

[HankMarvin]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

 

No - it doesn't matter how many times you write 'weak mentality' it doesn't change the fact its unfounded, baseless, horseshit of an assumption.

 

5 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

 

No - it doesn't matter how many times you write 'weak mentality' it doesn't change the fact its unfounded, baseless, horseshit of an assumption.

Yep you are right 

wanting to give up something you worked at your whole life when the going gets tough, is strong minded.

drinking heavily at the same time to deal with the pressure and self doubt you put on yourself are all traits of a strong minded person.

 

thanks your articulate answer has cleared everything up 

 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

4 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

This I could agree with, if he felt like quitting having spent time in non league.

but he struggled after he got his big move and must've of doubted his own ability.

there are many players that are plucked from footballing obscocruity, surely the big move is  (at the time) justification for all the hard work you have put in your career.

 

 

 

Yes and plenty turn out to be not good enough and go back there, and not really, he was told he was good enough for non league so why would he quit when it was his only route back to professional football. That would show weakness in character. 

 

When you make your move, you don't set the world alight, the fans get on your back, and you are out the team, I'd consider it perfectly normal to perhaps consider the possibility that the Championship is probably a step too far, you wouldn't have found many on here with much good to say about him after he came on against Middlesborough and gave a penalty away and did nothing else in 15 minutes. As I say, literally only the back room staff believed he had it in him. 

[Soar Fox]

27 minutes ago, foxes21 said:

slimani doesn't win many headers from long hoofs or get flick ons, but that's not his game really.

 

he needs it to feet, so he can shield the ball and bring others into play.

 

I don't think he looks that good with the ball at his feet, his first touch is quite poor also. 

 

By some of the Algerian reports we had coming on here before he signed I thought he was some beast in the air who wins everything. That is not so, but it's been shown you put good crosses into the right place for him & he knows where the goal is. 

[Nick]

4 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

 

Yep you are right 

wanting to give up something you worked at your whole life when the going gets tough, is strong minded.

drinking heavily at the same time to deal with the pressure and self doubt you put on yourself are all traits of a strong minded person.

 

thanks your articulate answer has cleared everything up 

 

 

So somebody that experiences adversity is weak minded - overcomes adversity with flying colours and still weak minded.

 

The only thing thats weak minded here is your inability to grasp what makes humans strong. You are attaching apparently permenant labels to individual elements of a process that you see as negative. I see these instances as natural cycles in a professional career and responding and picking  yourself up and re-inventing yourself as huge strengths in ability to cope and mindset.

 

 

 

 

[Babylon]

19 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

 

Yep you are right 

wanting to give up something you worked at your whole life when the going gets tough, is strong minded.

drinking heavily at the same time to deal with the pressure and self doubt you put on yourself are all traits of a strong minded person.

 

thanks your articulate answer has cleared everything up

But he didn't quit and he's not still boozing like he was.

 

If you've read his book he just seems like one of those people that blurts out a load of shit, when he doesn't really mean it. "I'll quit and go to Ibiza", that was never going to happen.

 

Is he looking for a reaction, does he want to be centre of attention, perhaps... weak minded? I doubt, as he actually sorted his issues and was a bloody global sensation last year.

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

So somebody that experiences adversity is weak minded - overcomes adversity with flying colours and still weak minded.

 

The only thing thats weak minded here is your inability to grasp what makes humans strong. You are attaching apparently permenant labels to individual elements of a process that you see as negative. I see these instances as natural cycles in a professional career and responding and picking  yourself up and re-inventing yourself as huge strengths in ability to cope and mindset.

 

 

 

 

the adversity you talk about was self created, 

its not in question he had the talent.

he didn't overcome living as an amputee and go on to run a marathon.

He doubted himself and nearly chucked it all away.

The credit at the time goes to the people who helped him turn it around and exceed his potential.

 

 

 

[Nick]

3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

the adversity you talk about was self created, 

its not in question he had the talent.

he didn't overcome living as an amputee and go on to run a marathon.

He doubted himself and nearly chucked it all away.

The credit at the time goes to the people who helped him turn it around and exceed his potential.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely, he deserves no credit in the part he played in his own meteoric rise to ascendency - the weak minded bastard.

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

But he didn't quit and he's not still boozing like he was.

 

If you've read his book he just seems like one of those people that blurts out a load of shit, when he doesn't really mean it. "I'll quit and go to Ibiza", that was never going to happen.

 

Is he looking for a reaction, does he want to be centre of attention, perhaps... weak minded? I doubt, as he actually sorted his issues and was a bloody global sensation last year.

I have started reading but not finished, I hope the crowd doesn't get on his back and he gets as much adulation as slimani, my fear is playing second fiddle to Islam will effect JV 

his touch was off on Tuesday although he seemed a lot more determined than prior games

[HankMarvin]

Just now, Swan Lesta said:

 

Absolutely, he deserves no credit in the part he played in his own meteoric rise to ascendency - the weak minded bastard.

Hence why I said at the time 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

2 hours ago, leicesterlad1989 said:

My apologies - I should really have read the whole post.

 

He IS an upgrade on Ulloa too.

Yes he is an upgrade on Ulloa.  Just not that much of an upgrade.

[the fox]

1 hour ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

I don't think he looks that good with the ball at his feet, his first touch is quite poor also. 

 

By some of the Algerian reports we had coming on here before he signed I thought he was some beast in the air who wins everything. That is not so, but it's been shown you put good crosses into the right place for him & he knows where the goal is. 

He is!. He is just not that good with winning a 60m hoofed ball with a defender on his back. Do you know how hard it is to do that. Almost every defender is as tall as him or taller. The rules are in the defender's faver. Slim doesn't know yet if he will be booked if he was too physical. And some times he doesn't go for the ball because no one is behind him. So if he sees that a lot of his teammates are in the midfielder he will let the defender win it because that gonna give the team a better chance of having the ball. He is a beast in the box. I truly think that are only a few players that are better then hi(in the box). If you want a donkey that is only good in the 1v1 you should have gone for Carroll. Slim is a Costa type player. A physical Engine with a eye on the goal. The only deference is that Costa is better with his feet. And slim is better with his head

[Captain...]

Why do these threads always have to be trading one player off against another.

 

Comparing Vardy to Slimani is pointless as they are very different types of players with very different histories with the club. They both have a vital role to play this season Ranieri just needs to find it. We aren't going to be successful playing them off against each other, but we will be successful if we can get them playing together and playing for each other.

 

Thinking back to the great escape, the season ended with a very fluid front 3 of Ulloa, Vardy and Mahrez. All 3 would float out wide, drop deep and lead the line, they were a nightmare for defenders and they backed each other up. Could we adopt a similar formation with Slimani in for Ulloa? Either with a back 5, like in the great escape, or a 433 giving us an extra man in midfield.

 

Not necessarily every game, but we need to use the squad, starting on Saturday a few players will be feeling it from Tuesday and Palace are no mugs.

 

 

[MrSpaM]

I'm wondering why we need somebody screaming at the other players to press when they were doing it all last season by default

[Fennec-Fox]

Slimani is not himself just yet... Give him time to adapt to the PL and give time to his teammates adapt to him.

yes I noticed he didn't win too many headers on air and sometimes didn't even try to jump, not Slimani I know, so am sure this point will improve. Also he doesn't quite get the sevice he should and that's very important. Hoofing the ball in the air and hoping Slim to do magic ain't the thing.... Lets play football... And get some sharp crosses in the box... But over all for the few games he playes scoring 3 and an assist is promissing and isn't bad at all... The best is yet to come.

[tyfox]

4 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Not really, he felt the pressure of the move and the fans were on his back, he was plucked from relative obscocruity and made a millionaire footballer over night.

Please show me some examples of footballers at the top of the career wanting to quit.

when I say top, I mean for the time

non league factory worker to Championship level 

 

"Yes I did [nearly give up] to be honest with you," Vardy told BBC Late Kick Off Midlands.

"But I had a few chats with the gaffer (Nigel Pearson) and they constantly told me I was good enough and they believed in me and stuck by me. I am glad to be showing the faith they showed in me on the pitch.

 

this shows he has a weak mentality, not sure anyone suggesting quitting anything could be considered otherwise.

 

Psychology doesn't work quite like that. My son is a kickboxer and he considered quitting the sport a few years back as he didn't think he was able to cut it with the big boys however 3 years on and he's 11 times British champion and is world champion. He doubted himself in that moment that was all, and me being his dad and coach I told him to go back to basics and that he was good enough to go all the way and he is doing it. We all doubt ourselves at some point in our lives but it takes a real character to beat them demons

[the fox]

2 minutes ago, tyfox said:

Psychology doesn't work quite like that. My son is a kickboxer and he considered quitting the sport a few years back as he didn't think he was able to cut it with the big boys however 3 years on and he's 11 times British champion and is world champion. He doubted himself in that moment that was all, and me being his dad and coach I told him to go back to basics and that he was good enough to go all the way and he is doing it. We all doubt ourselves at some point in our lives but it takes a real character to beat them demons

Good for you. And for your son 

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, tyfox said:

Psychology doesn't work quite like that. My son is a kickboxer and he considered quitting the sport a few years back as he didn't think he was able to cut it with the big boys however 3 years on and he's 11 times British champion and is world champion. He doubted himself in that moment that was all, and me being his dad and coach I told him to go back to basics and that he was good enough to go all the way and he is doing it. We all doubt ourselves at some point in our lives but it takes a real character to beat them demons

Does he also have a penchant for vodka and skittles