HighPeakFox Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 13 hours ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Van Dijk is being scouted by some of the biggest teams in the county. We don't have a chance of getting him. I think we have to be 10th or above and Burnley in the bottom 3 for us to be able to get Keane. Like the mighty Shepshed Charterhouse? Sorry.
FrankieADZ Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 Another player I wouldn't mind us going for would be Morgan Schneiderlin,
RoyFox Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 Been watching Genk, Omar Colley stood out. Dominant CB, fast, tall, good on the ball. Suprise, surprise Southampton's been scouting him...their network puts everyone to shame. I asked some Genk fans about Colley, they rate him and (understandably) they weren't too happy about the question!
foxy boxing Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 1 hour ago, RoyFox said: Been watching Genk, Omar Colley stood out. Dominant CB, fast, tall, good on the ball. Suprise, surprise Southampton's been scouting him...their network puts everyone to shame. I asked some Genk fans about Colley, they rate him and (understandably) they weren't too happy about the question! Belgium teams are a lot of premier league teams feeder clubs so maybe Genk could become ours
RoyFox Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 1 minute ago, foxy boxing said: Belgium teams are a lot of premier league teams feeder clubs so maybe Genk could become ours Genk has been a hot bed of talent Courtois, De Bruyne, Benteke, Kouibaly. They really rate Bailey and Pozuelo too.
AKCJ Posted 2 December 2016 Author Posted 2 December 2016 17 minutes ago, RoyFox said: Genk has been a hot bed of talent Courtois, De Bruyne, Benteke, Kouibaly. They really rate Bailey and Pozuelo too. Technically Genk bought De Bruyne from Gent, Benteke from Liege and Koulibaly from Metz. The talent is there in the smaller leagues, but it's a big risk because these sides expect big money for their players because of these occasional successes (See 14m for a teenager who has played a handful of professional games in a very poor league). We signed Demarai Gray last year for £3.7m and he had played far more professional games in a far more demanding league at a younger age.
RoyFox Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 I can see your point (thanks for being civilised!), I'd argue that Ndidi has shown his ability on a bigger stage than Gray (Europa league and for Nigeria) before joining. It's also slightly disappointing that the Championship and League 1 are no longer a consistent source of talent, except for the odd player like Gray.
foxes21 Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 gray had a release clause, we'd have had to pay alot more if he didn't have that clause
AKCJ Posted 2 December 2016 Author Posted 2 December 2016 Just now, RoyFox said: I can see your point (thanks for being civilised!), I'd argue that Ndidi has shown his ability on a bigger stage than Gray (Europa league and for Nigeria) before joining. It's also slightly disappointing that the Championship and League 1 are no longer a consistent source of talent, except for the odd player like Gray. N'Didi has played 5 games in the Europa League (twice against Bilbao, twice against Viena and once against Sassuolo. Bilbao. I've seen plenty of players play more games at a bigger level than that come to a bigger league and struggle (Amartey for example). As for his national career, he's barely played and has only started one game. Nigeria are awful these days (didn't qualify for AFCON).
AmarteyAndChill Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 22 minutes ago, AKCJ said: Technically Genk bought De Bruyne from Gent, Benteke from Liege and Koulibaly from Metz. The talent is there in the smaller leagues, but it's a big risk because these sides expect big money for their players because of these occasional successes (See 14m for a teenager who has played a handful of professional games in a very poor league). We signed Demarai Gray last year for £3.7m and he had played far more professional games in a far more demanding league at a younger age. I mean players are able to make the transition to the premier league.
AKCJ Posted 2 December 2016 Author Posted 2 December 2016 2 minutes ago, foxes21 said: gray had a release clause, we'd have had to pay alot more if he didn't have that clause The Championship's record is 12m for Ross McCormack and the record for a teenager is 3.78m for Cameron Jerome. Suppose it's more down to the fact that this country does not develop talent. Who knows what we'd have paid had Gray not had a release clause but I'd wager it would have been significantly cheaper than 14m. Value for money just does not exist for the Champions of England.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 4 minutes ago, AKCJ said: N'Didi has played 5 games in the Europa League (twice against Bilbao, twice against Viena and once against Sassuolo. Bilbao. I've seen plenty of players play more games at a bigger level than that come to a bigger league and struggle (Amartey for example). As for his national career, he's barely played and has only started one game. Nigeria are awful these days (didn't qualify for AFCON). Nigeria have some young talent coming though now.
foxes21 Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 Isn't Etobo suppose to be the Kante-like box to box one, that's what we need right? Not a DM like Ndidi? If he's a box to box, apologies
RoyFox Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 My point was Ndidi has played at a higher level than Gray. He could well be a flop, but I'm confident from the matches I've watched of Genk (not highlights) so far, he has natural ability, confidence on the ball, awareness, positional sense, an excellent passing range and strong tackling/intercepting ability. However he is naive due to his age and occasionally lose runners. From the feedback from Genk fans (which I'm sure you've read on my Timeline) it's been been very positive indeed. Now we need an experienced creative midfielder to complement IMO, as we're now stacked with defensive midfielders.
AKCJ Posted 2 December 2016 Author Posted 2 December 2016 Just now, RoyFox said: My point was Ndidi has played at a higher level than Gray. He could well be a flop, but I'm confident from the matches I've watched of Genk (not highlights) so far, he has natural ability, confidence on the ball, awareness, positional sense, an excellent passing range and strong tackling/intercepting ability. However he is naive due to his age and occasionally lose runners. From the feedback from Genk fans (which I'm sure you've read on my Timeline) it's been been very positive indeed. Now we need an experienced creative midfielder to complement IMO, as we're now stacked with defensive midfielders. If we sign Ndidi then we'll have a grand total of two defensive midfielders and both of them are kids. IMO, if we're going to sign Ndidi now then I'd like still l.ike us to go for someone like Silva. Silva, Drinkwater and Mendy with Amartey and Ndidi to grow into the positions is a good place to be.
RoyFox Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 Just now, AKCJ said: If we sign Ndidi then we'll have a grand total of two defensive midfielders and both of them are kids. IMO, if we're going to sign Ndidi now then I'd like still l.ike us to go for someone like Silva. Silva, Drinkwater and Mendy with Amartey and Ndidi to grow into the positions is a good place to be. I'd say Mendy falls into defensive as he's very much a holding midfielder. It seems Silva is going to be extremely hard to prise. Their president is up for re-election soon, he'll struggle to win his seat, according to my Sporting friend if their Captain is sold. Unless we pay that astronomical RC Such a shame we didn't go in seriously for Sigurddson in the summer, his versatility as both CAM and No.10 would have given us plenty of options and allow Ulloa to go.
AKCJ Posted 2 December 2016 Author Posted 2 December 2016 12 minutes ago, RoyFox said: I'd say Mendy falls into defensive as he's very much a holding midfielder. It seems Silva is going to be extremely hard to prise. Their president is up for re-election soon, he'll struggle to win his seat, according to my Sporting friend if their Captain is sold. Unless we pay that astronomical RC Such a shame we didn't go in seriously for Sigurddson in the summer, his versatility as both CAM and No.10 would have given us plenty of options and allow Ulloa to go. Mendy isn't a defensive midfielder. His qualities do not lie in tackling or interceptions. He's a deep lying playmaker. He takes the ball off of his defence and he plays the ball out from there.
RoyFox Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 Agree to disagree on this one, CR plays him alongside Drinkwater because he'll cover the defensive zones during attacks and generally offer the most protection to the back line, rarely will he make forward runs. In my mind that's defensive. Both of these describe him as a defensive midfielder too...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 2 hours ago, foxes21 said: Isn't Etobo suppose to be the Kante-like box to box one, that's what we need right? Not a DM like Ndidi? If he's a box to box, apologies Etebo plays more of an attacker but has recently played midfield.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 2 hours ago, AKCJ said: Mendy isn't a defensive midfielder. His qualities do not lie in tackling or interceptions. He's a deep lying playmaker. He takes the ball off of his defence and he plays the ball out from there. Mendy played at the bottom of the base as nice played 4-1-2-1-2(narrow)
AmarteyAndChill Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 17 hours ago, eddylcfc said: Schweinsteiger - loan Ndidi Zappacosta Keane Jorgensen from Copenhagen?
Ric Flair Posted 2 December 2016 Posted 2 December 2016 I like Tom Cairney at Fulham. Possibly not good enough for where we want to be but you never know. Look at how some of our players have progressed.
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