Lako42 Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 16 hours ago, Callabinho said: Would 'arry be worth a go? Im hoping this is a joke. He's being let down by his players and now his fans. Poor bloke
Seaton Fox Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 15 hours ago, GloverFox said: Claudio stays, he recruits over January and is given the respect and decency due to turn things around. If we end up back in the Championship then so be it, but Claudio should be allowed to see his contract through! Sorry, but not the way to run a business , look at Chelsea , results not good change the manager , Need to be ruthless , no place for sentimentality .
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 No place for sentimentality, we are in a rut but his overall record is still good. Give him a window to attempt to fill the now obvious Kante void, ffs. People are acting like getting 'anyone' in to replace him, is a sure fire way to success. We could actually get worse under a new manager you know.
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Cloudio Premier League Records label.tablePlayerRecords Matches 202 Wins 103 Draws 54 Losses 45 Goals For 353 Goals Against Big Sam Premier League Records label.tablePlayerRecords Matches 468 Wins 157 Draws 130 Losses 181 Goals For 558 Goals Against
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Ranieri premier league record is much better than big sams even with one win in 9.
NeilLCFC Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 16 hours ago, GloverFox said: Claudio stays, he recruits over January and is given the respect and decency due to turn things around. If we end up back in the Championship then so be it, but Claudio should be allowed to see his contract through! It amazes me that you (and many others on here) would rather see the club potentially reach a point of ruin, as long as Claudio gets to see his contract through! You, along with the others, must be Ranieri fans cos it certainly doesn't sound like it's LCFC that you support. This season Claudio has turned out to be everything many people thought he would be when he was first appointed, it is crystal clear he isn't able to turn this around. I wouldn't like to see him sacked, but either way he needs to go asap before all the hard work of the last few years becomes further undone and we blow millions on a load more crap in Jan. I'm a HUGE admirer of the work Pearson did during both his spells in charge here, and will never forget what we achieved under MON. However no one, regardless of their work or achievement, deserves the right to risk the club being relegated.
HankMarvin Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 1 hour ago, Strokes said: Ranieri premier league record is much better than big sams even with one win in 9. But if they had managed each other's teams the stats would be opposite
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 10 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: But if they had managed each other's teams the stats would be opposite Big Sam has managed Newcastle, Blackburn and West Ham all teams comparable to Chelsea stature Ranieri managed before Abramovic. the rest comparable to Leicester.
norwichfox Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 19 hours ago, Callabinho said: Would 'arry be worth a go? NOOOOOOOOOOOO
HankMarvin Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: Big Sam has managed Newcastle, Blackburn and West Ham all teams comparable to Chelsea stature Ranieri managed before Abramovic. the rest comparable to Leicester. What about Sams 100s of Bolton games?? Gullit was replaced by Gianluca Vialli, who led the team to victory in the League Cup Final, the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Final and the UEFA Super Cup in 1998, the FA Cup in 2000and their first appearance in the UEFA Champions League. Vialli was sacked in favour of Claudio Ranieri, who guided Chelsea to the 2002 FA Cup Final and Champions League qualification in 2002–03. Then was given 100 million in 03, given the above I think CR had the better platform to work with
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: What about Sams 100s of Bolton games?? Gullit was replaced by Gianluca Vialli, who led the team to victory in the League Cup Final, the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Final and the UEFA Super Cup in 1998, the FA Cup in 2000and their first appearance in the UEFA Champions League. Vialli was sacked in favour of Claudio Ranieri, who guided Chelsea to the 2002 FA Cup Final and Champions League qualification in 2002–03. Then was given 100 million in 03, given the above I think CR had the better platform to work with Did big Sam win the league with any mediocre club? Allardyce record at Bolton is better than his record at any of the other clubs, he is unlikely to get us in the top ten. If that is our aspersions then we might as well continue with ranieri.
HankMarvin Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 14 minutes ago, Strokes said: Did big Sam win the league with any mediocre club? Allardyce record at Bolton is better than his record at any of the other clubs, he is unlikely to get us in the top ten. If that is our aspersions then we might as well continue with ranieri. I'm not saying I want him as a manager, it's just bizarre to use there win ratios as a factor, as the clubs they have managed have been massively different.
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 1 minute ago, HankMarvin said: I'm not saying I want him as a manager, it's just bizarre to use there win ratios as a factor, as the clubs they have managed have been massively different. I don't think they have been massively different.
erlee Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 On 12/26/2016 at 12:22, GloverFox said: Claudio stays, he recruits over January and is given the respect and decency due to turn things around. If we end up back in the Championship then so be it, but Claudio should be allowed to see his contract through! So he should be allowed to bring us down into The Championship... (English EFL - not EUFA) It doesn't matter who he signs now - the system he deploys & the playing mix/style will chew up whoever new comes along & spit them out. UNLESS he overhauls himself & his methods - the only way is down
Corky Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Just now, erlee said: So he should be allowed to bring us down into The Championship... (English EFL - not EUFA) Thanks for the clarification.
Old Fox Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 I think some of the reaction on here is laughable .....maybe it's my age and it could be rather young/naive posts but I am most frustrated that we have missed the chance preseason to make step up the ladder. Off the back of champions we should have taken a big step forward in moving the club to the Top 10.. I don't believe we wouldbe anywhere near the Top 4 but the performances recently have been very poor. I do think Claudio has been a bit inflexible but the players have a lot to answer for .....yesterday good players looked half hearted and are not dying for each other. Personally I cannot think of a better manager than Claudio and I think he has earned the right to sort this out with an extra window and change the squad make up....Riyad, Drinky, Vardy et al were quick enough to ride off the back of last season and now they owe Claudio to pull together to put this right. Probably because I watched the pleat, McClintock, levein and Taylor teams I would actually give Claudio the time through his contract as I don't believe the options are better.....that could mean the R word but imo he will always have some immortality as 40+ years of watching and he has provided memories I won't forget...players need a serious kick up the arse!!
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 It matters not one jot what Allardyce did last season, whether Big Sam has won this, that or the other. What matters is now. No one can take last season away from us. Ever. But that don't mean that the here and now isn't important. NOW, I suggest that Allardyce may well have been an answer. He knows how to turn ailing squads around, takes no shite whatsoever and would give our overpaid primadonnas, short strift. If they weren't performing, he wouldn't play them. I fear that Ranieri has lost the plot. I so hope I'm wrong and that he can turn us around.
Donut Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 2 hours ago, NeilLCFC said: It amazes me that you (and many others on here) would rather see the club potentially reach a point of ruin, as long as Claudio gets to see his contract through! You, along with the others, must be Ranieri fans cos it certainly doesn't sound like it's LCFC that you support. This season Claudio has turned out to be everything many people thought he would be when he was first appointed, it is crystal clear he isn't able to turn this around. I wouldn't like to see him sacked, but either way he needs to go asap before all the hard work of the last few years becomes further undone and we blow millions on a load more crap in Jan. I'm a HUGE admirer of the work Pearson did during both his spells in charge here, and will never forget what we achieved under MON. However no one, regardless of their work or achievement, deserves the right to risk the club being relegated. The "vast majority" of people did not think he would be a failure (because thats what youre saying here) when he took over. Most rational, sane people understood that he has an excellent club record and brought with him a wealth of experience in managing huge European teams, and in many cases doing really well with them. Most people were at least prepared to be open minded about his appointment. Youre a huge admirer of the work Pearson did with the club to the extent that you think we won the league in spite of Ranieri. Lets be clear on this, you think the key reason we won the league was momentum from the previous season, and the squad Pearson put together. Youve said it on record. Youve not acknowledged anything Ranieri did in the title winning season. I dont think its asking particularly a lot, to give realistically the best manager out there that could manage us right now, a manager with an excellent CV, and a manager that has already proven he knows what he is doing with our club in achieveing massive success already more time to turn the situation around and rebuild the squad in certain positions. And to end the post, lets be clear on this. You do want him sacked. Youre absolutely desperate for him to be sacked.
HankMarvin Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 1 hour ago, Strokes said: I don't think they have been massively different. Sam Allardyce has spent 15 years in the top flight he took Bolton into Europe and stabilized them a premier league club, CR spent 4 years at Chelsea they were a fairly successful team prior to his appointment, in his final season he was given over 100 million to spend which was astronomical purchasing power at the time. im not sure how CRs 5 half top flight seasons career win ratio can be comparative against a 15 year long career with smaller clubs were by the win ratio will be less. The point i made earlier is if the roles were reversed im sure SA win ratio would be a lot higher based on that period at Chelsea and a season at half at Leicester as opposed to 15 years scrapping it out at the bottom of the league
I am an Ostrich Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 What about Dowie he would do a good job...
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 7 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: Sam Allardyce has spent 15 years in the top flight he took Bolton into Europe and stabilized them a premier league club, CR spent 4 years at Chelsea they were a fairly successful team prior to his appointment, in his final season he was given over 100 million to spend which was astronomical purchasing power at the time. im not sure how CRs 5 half top flight seasons career win ratio can be comparative against a 15 year long career with smaller clubs were by the win ratio will be less. Whether they were doing well or not before is irrelevant, he was at Chelsea for four years and for three of those they were of similar stature to what Blackburn, Newcastle and possibly West Ham were whilst Allardyce was in charge. My point is and it's a fair one, Sam wouldnt be some huge saviour that would have us fighting at the top end of the table. There are very few managers that could do that but we actually have one here that has. Maybe not every season, maybe never again but he has previous of getting a team like Leicester up the league. Allardyce has won no trophys at any of the clubs he has managed, he is a good bottom of the league manager at best.
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Oh and ranieri's win ratio here is still above 45%, far higher than allardyce has ever achieved at any of his clubs in the Prem.
HankMarvin Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 24 minutes ago, Strokes said: Oh and ranieri's win ratio here is still above 45%, far higher than allardyce has ever achieved at any of his clubs in the Prem. ok you seem to be missing the point, win percentages averaged out over time maybe revisit this when CR has spent 15 years in the top flight or longer than a year and a half at this club 28 minutes ago, Strokes said: Whether they were doing well or not before is irrelevant, he was at Chelsea for four years and for three of those they were of similar stature to what Blackburn, Newcastle and possibly West Ham were whilst Allardyce was in charge. My point is and it's a fair one, Sam wouldnt be some huge saviour that would have us fighting at the top end of the table. There are very few managers that could do that but we actually have one here that has. Maybe not every season, maybe never again but he has previous of getting a team like Leicester up the league. Allardyce has won no trophys at any of the clubs he has managed, he is a good bottom of the league manager at best. are you sure mate?? Chelsea prior to him coming 97 6th 98 4th 99 3rd 2000 5th 01 6th 02 6th 02 4th 03 2nd UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 98 fa cup winners 99-2000 i dont remember the clubs you mentioned finishing in them potions under allaydyce or prior to his managment Newcastle 13th Blackburn On 17 December 2008, Allardyce was appointed as manager of Blackburn Rovers on a three-year contract, succeeding Paul Ince who left the club in 19th place with just three wins from 17 games Allardyce was appointed as manager of then-recently relegated West Ham United on 1 June 2011, signing a two-year contract.[131][132] He vowed to play "attractive football" in getting West Ham back to the Premier League
Callabinho Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Unfortunately for Claudio he has always come up short when the going gets tough...I have no faith at all that he will turn it around...he just won't.
Strokes Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 42 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: ok you seem to be missing the point, win percentages averaged out over time maybe revisit this when CR has spent 15 years in the top flight or longer than a year and a half at this club are you sure mate?? Chelsea prior to him coming 97 6th 98 4th 99 3rd 2000 5th 01 6th 02 6th 02 4th 03 2nd UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 98 fa cup winners 99-2000 i dont remember the clubs you mentioned finishing in them potions under allaydyce or prior to his managment Newcastle 13th Blackburn On 17 December 2008, Allardyce was appointed as manager of Blackburn Rovers on a three-year contract, succeeding Paul Ince who left the club in 19th place with just three wins from 17 games Allardyce was appointed as manager of then-recently relegated West Ham United on 1 June 2011, signing a two-year contract.[131][132] He vowed to play "attractive football" in getting West Ham back to the Premier League Ok so in your world managers have to have had identical careers in order for stats to be comparable then?
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