bpfox Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 have we all been taken for a ride by the owners, maybe the promise of money for new players was all bullshit and they never had any intention of spending there money.
HoustonFox Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 Apart from the ~£80M we've spent this season on transfers, plus the pay rises for all the players? Is it their fault they haven't got the value on their return? i would say the owners are the last people to blame for this season.
foxfan92 Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 We're blaming the owners now??? I'd go as far to say we've got the best owners in the league! I think the funds would have been there if the targets had been convinced to join and the clubs accepted the transfer price Rudkin (or whoever decides that) had offered. January isn't the time we should be buying the number of players we think we need, it's a notoriously risky time with hyped up prices. Yes we might need new players given how things have gone but the summer is the time for an overhaul - to better support any players that don't go (assuming we're still in the league) or a mass clearout if not.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 2 hours ago, foxfan92 said: We're blaming the owners now??? I'd go as far to say we've got the best owners in the league! I think the funds would have been there if the targets had been convinced to join and the clubs accepted the transfer price Rudkin (or whoever decides that) had offered. January isn't the time we should be buying the number of players we think we need, it's a notoriously risky time with hyped up prices. Yes we might need new players given how things have gone but the summer is the time for an overhaul - to better support any players that don't go (assuming we're still in the league) or a mass clearout if not. Sam Allardyce saved Sunderland by wheeling and dealing in January. His signings were the right ones and very shrewd. He'll probably do the same thing this time. Didnt we sign Huth under Pearson, in January? ....the signing that effectively saved our season too.
The whole world smiles Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 Yeah the owners are terrible mate why cant we have owners like Blackpool, Blackburn, Cov, Charlton Leyton Orient etc etc
Ric Flair Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 Ndidi is a fantastic signing, if the team around him was slightly more energised then he'd give us the protection we thought we were missing. Sadly we are still suffering lapses in concentration from the defence and our strikers are bang out of form. Let's hope something changes as I can see Ndidi really doing well here.
bpfox Posted 2 February 2017 Author Posted 2 February 2017 gee u people are quick to shot the writer, I was just putting it out there as another reason or such.
LCFC_Oak Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 At the end of the day the owners are businessmen. Why should they keep investing money, when last season proved that the players we have are capable of much more. The finger has to be firmly pointed at the players and coaching staff for the decline. What we are missing compared to other teams in the league are a consistent flow of graduates from the youth team. If we had 2 or 3 a season graduating the youth system like Southampton and Everton for example, then we wouldn't all feel that the squad needs strengthening every January.
FoyleFox Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 Seriously?! The owners couldnt possibly have done any more for the club, the only people blameless for our current issues are the owners.
norwichfox Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 Way off the mark with this.......although I wouldn't blame them if they decided to move their money into something other than football following what we've produced so far. Tey're a bit too honourable, and as such will not sack Ranieri before the seasons done.
Moksky Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 5 hours ago, bpfox said: have we all been taken for a ride by the owners, maybe the promise of money for new players was all bullshit and they never had any intention of spending there money. Unbelievable Jeff. Get Vincent Tan or Massimo Cellini in! They bought into a shambolic ran club, poured millions into it, made a few mistakes with Sven etc., learned and corrected it after listening, deliver League 1, Championship and Prem titles and not to forget all the freebies they have given out to create atmosphere which cost £10's of £1000 each time. I mean which club gives out few beer and food, scarves, hats, vouchers on long away trips etc You forgot about Ndidi, he is a class signing. Let Schlupp go for a good price, its good business. The summer signings havent made the impact we all wanted, not to say they wont be good in future, we find ourselves needing players who can hit the ground running, and only Ndidi and Slimani have proved they can do that. Mendy got injured. Others like Musa and Kaputska are struggling with the physicality as yet. We lose our chief scout who in my eyes was responsible for bringing the greatest footballer we have seen down here in Kante, plus other like Mahrez and Vardy. They give new contracts out in the summer to retain the services of all the championship winning side, with the exeption of Kante who was admant on a move away. At the time every single City fan applauded them for doing so. Nobody wanted to break up that team. In hindsight it has made some players less hungry, but at the time we would have been going ballistic if we would have Vardy and co. go We went after many players in Jan, we all would of liked another at least a defender, but lets face it huge movement does not take place in Jan. To even think we have been taking for a ride shows the mentatality of some of our fickle fans
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 12 minutes ago, Moksky said: Unbelievable Jeff. Get Vincent Tan or Massimo Cellini in! They bought into a shambolic ran club, poured millions into it, made a few mistakes with Sven etc., learned and corrected it after listening, deliver League 1, Championship and Prem titles and not to forget all the freebies they have given out to create atmosphere which cost £10's of £1000 each time. I mean which club gives out few beer and food, scarves, hats, vouchers on long away trips etc You forgot about Ndidi, he is a class signing. Let Schlupp go for a good price, its good business. The summer signings havent made the impact we all wanted, not to say they wont be good in future, we find ourselves needing players who can hit the ground running, and only Ndidi and Slimani have proved they can do that. Mendy got injured. Others like Musa and Kaputska are struggling with the physicality as yet. We lose our chief scout who in my eyes was responsible for bringing the greatest footballer we have seen down here in Kante, plus other like Mahrez and Vardy. They give new contracts out in the summer to retain the services of all the championship winning side, with the exeption of Kante who was admant on a move away. At the time every single City fan applauded them for doing so. Nobody wanted to break up that team. In hindsight it has made some players less hungry, but at the time we would have been going ballistic if we would have Vardy and co. go We went after many players in Jan, we all would of liked another at least a defender, but lets face it huge movement does not take place in Jan. To even think we have been taking for a ride shows the mentatality of some of our fickle fans Fair point, what did they do to try and keep Walsh however?
Moksky Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 7 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: Fair point, what did they do to try and keep Walsh however? He signed a new improved contract last Spring as clubs were after him, I can t see anything more they could have done. He cited personal family reasons for moving to Everton, hes from up there and the role is DOF
Monsell1976 Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 6 hours ago, bpfox said: have we all been taken for a ride by the owners, maybe the promise of money for new players was all bullshit and they never had any intention of spending there money. I think their promise was to spend £180 million over 3 years, I think they are on target. The blame doesn't lay with them, they have employed managers and players to achieve targets, and have backed them financially, last season they exceeded expectations, this season they are not doing their jobs.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Moksky said: He signed a new improved contract last Spring as clubs were after him, I can t see anything more they could have done. He cited personal family reasons for moving to Everton, hes from up there and the role is DOF The contract clearly wasn't good enough. Also didn't they start negotiations on a new contract in November? Didn't sign it till April, bloody long time to get a contract sorted. Must have felt valued then. Did he get a new BMW? Did any of the backroom staff get rewarded for their efforts apart from Claudio?
Moksky Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 Just now, Abrasive fox said: The contract clearly wasn't good enough. Also didn't they start negotiations on a new contract in November? Didn't sign it till April, bloody long time to get a contract sorted. Must have felt valued then. Did he get a new BMW? Did any of the backroom staff get rewarded for their efforts apart from Claudio? The role at Everton is a better position, and his family are from there, I think he is also a boyhood Everton fan. THe BMW is smokescreen thing, there is a deal with BMW over them. Yes they cost the owners money, but not as much as the £110k they cost to you and I. There were big BMW incentives to have the cars.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 7 minutes ago, Moksky said: The role at Everton is a better position, and his family are from there, I think he is also a boyhood Everton fan. THe BMW is smokescreen thing, there is a deal with BMW over them. Yes they cost the owners money, but not as much as the £110k they cost to you and I. There were big BMW incentives to have the cars. Deal or not, none of the backroom staff got them, I don't think the money is important. They just want a new car.
norwichfox Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 42 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: What a load of rubbish! Are you are referring to the OP and not the post immediately above yours? It makes quite a difference on the interpretation of your post
Moksky Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 8 hours ago, Abrasive fox said: Deal or not, none of the backroom staff got them, I don't think the money is important. They just want a new car. Just want a new car???? Money not important. I thnk most people would rather have money than a car, because if you want a car you can go and buy it with the money. Do the backroom staff score goals or keep clean sheets. They are every important of course and play a part, but the players are those who rewarded the most. Which is reflected in what they get paid weekly in comparison to coaching/ staff/scouts /physios etc. Its not realistic.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 Just now, Moksky said: Just want a new car???? Money not important. I thnk most people would rather have money than a car, becuase if you a car you can go and buy it with the money. Do the backroom staff score goals or keep clean sheets. They are every important of course and play a part, but the players are those who rewarded the most. Which is reflected in what they get paid weekly in comparison to coaching/ staff/scouts /physios etc. Its not realistic. Maybe I'm not making the point that well. all the players got massively indulged, which is fair enough but there was little recognition of the backroom contribution which I believe caused a divide and resentment. Players will always get more credit but the backroom got virtually zero, and Claudio took a lot of that credit.
Mike Oxlong Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 One thing I recall being reported recently was the owner(s) becoming disillusioned following a bad refereeing decision in one of our games (Mike Dean on Tuesday can hardly have helped !) They have done all that they could to support the manager and the team and appear to be honourable , principled and ambitious people. If a ref's decision can have a negative effect It wouldn't be too surprising if the failings in performance and more particularly attitude by some players, particulatrly having been so handsomely rewarded, might contribute to the Thais falling out of love with the game in this country. I don't for one second think that they would deliberately fail to support the team. Amongst other things they need to protect their investment. Revenues and brand opportunities in the Championship fall woefully short of what they require as owners and, if it came tio it, as sellers. But I wouldn't be surprised if their appetite to be involved with us and in the PL more generally is not what it was. Entirely speculative but not implausible.
Guest Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 18 minutes ago, Abrasive fox said: Maybe I'm not making the point that well. all the players got massively indulged, which is fair enough but there was little recognition of the backroom contribution which I believe caused a divide and resentment. Players will always get more credit but the backroom got virtually zero, and Claudio took a lot of that credit. ? When and how often to people behind the scenes get massive public recognition when a club succeeds? Can't think of many/any examples from united, man city, chelsea, arsenal etc. And that's only pertaining to public recognition - who knows what praise and rewards they were given behind the scenes. Could have been a lot, could have been zero - it's all speculative from this point.
Guest Col city fan Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 I'm sorry. Although the owners have been brilliant for this club, the position we have gotten ourselves into vis a vis where we were at the end of last season, and where we could have been, can only be described as a monumental fook up. If this club gets relegated this season, let's have it right...no excuses, it will be up there as the mother of all sporting fook ups. The owners have always put their money in their pockets. Every season. But my concern is how is this club being run now? Who has been responsible for bringing in the last lot of transfers? Who decided to give them all color coded cars? Who negotiated up the contracts to the levels they have done? Etc. We kinda saw this type of thing when we had daft Sven at the helm too. A seeming lack of common sense and control. When we had Pearson here, he seemed to calm the ship and I'm convinced had control over pretty much everything. I think the club appears to have become shambolic. We entered the Jan transfer window in a mess. It was clear to see. And we COULD have made a couple of good signings to strengthen. Instead, we chose yet another player from another league who will take time to adapt to the demands of the Premiership. I don't get it. I don't get how we could get from 6/7 months ago....to this. Somebody must be running the show? And it would seem, badly.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 2 February 2017 Posted 2 February 2017 28 minutes ago, winchesterton said: ? When and how often to people behind the scenes get massive public recognition when a club succeeds? Can't think of many/any examples from united, man city, chelsea, arsenal etc. And that's only pertaining to public recognition - who knows what praise and rewards they were given behind the scenes. Could have been a lot, could have been zero - it's all speculative from this point. It was zero.
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