leicsmac Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 minute ago, Hollism said: Well your point does still stand. Tipped staff will average more than the minimum wage, and will budget their lifestyle as such. Too many nights when they are earning less than expected and said lifestyle will be affected, and potentially in total jeopardy. 1 And that's my main issue with it - it leaves this possibility, possibly through no fault of their own, way too open.
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 7 minutes ago, Captain... said: Whilst their staff are trying to survive on less than minimum wage because there aren't any customers tipping to top up their wages. As a business they have assets that they can sell or they can attract creditors and investors that can help them when they are struggling businesses are more flexible to changing fortunes than individuals, especially if they are part of a chain. Say a TGI Fridays has opened and it is struggling, the parent company can bail out the struggling restaurant and can take the hit while they sort out the problem. Meanwhile the staff are getting paid less than minimum wage and are not getting tips through no fault of their own. It's such an ingrained part of american culture, i have never known anyone NOT to tip... i really havnt!
boots60 Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 Many years ago in more carefree times I worked as a waiter during summer seasons at Butlins. I used to get paid on Tuesdays then on Saturdays when the punters left I used to get tipped. It was like having 2 paydays a week. Back then every penny ended up behind the bar & with the added bonus of 3 meals a day & free accommodation I was as happy as a pig in shit. Happy days ☺ Have always tipped good cheery service ever since.
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 Cant vouch for other states, of course but just for the record, its state law here in North Carolina that an employer is only allowed to pay the smaller than minimum wage IF the tips dont meet up to the minimum wage, so a waiter would never get less than the minimum wage anyway..
Captain... Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 6 minutes ago, MPH said: It's such an ingrained part of american culture, i have never known anyone NOT to tip... i really havnt! But if there are no customers then no tips 2 minutes ago, MPH said: Cant vouch for other states, of course but just for the record, its state law here in North Carolina that an employer is only allowed to pay the smaller than minimum wage IF the tips dont meet up to the minimum wage, so a waiter would never get less than the minimum wage anyway.. I didn't realise that was the case in which case any argument about no customers or not tipping becomes moot. How do they keep track of what everyone has been tipped? Is it by shift or at the end of the week? (Don't expect you to know this just curious)
boots60 Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 The irony of the film Resovoir dogs is the fact that the only guy that doesn't tip the waitress in the diner at the start of the film, Mr Pink, is the only one who survives & escapes with the loot.
leicsmac Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 8 minutes ago, MPH said: Cant vouch for other states, of course but just for the record, its state law here in North Carolina that an employer is only allowed to pay the smaller than minimum wage IF the tips dont meet up to the minimum wage, so a waiter would never get less than the minimum wage anyway.. Unsure about the law regarding such things here in NH, but if that law were applied in a widespread and enforceable fashion in most places and the minimum wage was livable, then I'd have much much less of a problem with tipping culture.
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 hour ago, Captain... said: But if there are no customers then no tips I didn't realise that was the case in which case any argument about no customers or not tipping becomes moot. How do they keep track of what everyone has been tipped? Is it by shift or at the end of the week? (Don't expect you to know this just curious) Youd be surprised at how often Americans eat out...It's shocking even to me.... I THINK they fill out a form at the end of the day.. But i cant be sure...
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: Unsure about the law regarding such things here in NH, but if that law were applied in a widespread and enforceable fashion in most places and the minimum wage was livable, then I'd have much much less of a problem with tipping culture. New Hampshire is on board too! Quote Minimum wage laws protect all employees, whether or not they receive tips. Employees are entitled to earn the full minimum wage per hour as set by federal or state law. Currently, the federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. The minimum wage in New Hampshire is the same, so New Hampshire employees are entitled to earn $7.25 an hour. State laws differ as to whether the employer must pay the full minimum wage itself or may count an employee’s tips toward its minimum wage obligation. Under federal law and in most states, employers may pay tipped employees less than the minimum wage, as long as employees earn enough in tips to make up the difference. This is called a "tip credit." The credit is the amount the employer doesn't have to pay, so the applicable minimum wage (federal or state) less the tip credit is the least the employer can pay tipped employees per hour. If an employee doesn’t make enough in tips during a given workweek to earn at least the applicable minimum wage for each hour worked, the employer has to pay the difference. New Hampshire is such a beautiful state spent a few months in the mountains there In the Dublin area.... , Hiked a mountain called Monandok ( sp!?) several times! Very challenging in the snow!
Nick Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 I tip in restaurants about 13% I tip taxi drivers and give food delivery people around £2.50 My hairdresser if it's the owner of the business doesn't get a tip but if it's one of the girls who earns a pittance I give them a fiver and tell them to buy themselves a drink on Friday after work... I tip in poorer foreign countries too but resent the crap out of anyone picking up my stuff and taking it out of my sight in the developed world! I refuse to pay Police scam taxes and tolls in third world countries though - hate that culture, just stand my ground and refuse.
leicsmac Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 8 minutes ago, MPH said: New Hampshire is on board too! New Hampshire is such a beautiful state spent a few months in the mountains there In the Dublin area.... , Hiked a mountain called Monandok ( sp!?) several times! Very challenging in the snow! Thank you for looking that one up - looks like things in NH are decent too, then. It is really wonderful to look around - I haven't seen a massive deal of it yet but going to do some regular hiking this summer - perhaps Monadnock (had to look the spelling up too) will be among the ones I go for but there are loads to choose from!
the fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 4 hours ago, leicsmac said: Tipping culture is so different in the US as opposed to the UK. It's the system whereby folks don't actually get paid enough because people are expected to tip them that is to blame though, not the workers themselves. It's not "paying you extra for doing your job properly". So, the owner of the shop/business is expecting me to pay for the service plus directly help him pay his workers. What's next, does he want me to pay his taxes for him to (technically, I already do)
leicsmac Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 minute ago, the fox said: So, the owner of the shop/business is expecting me to pay for the service plus directly help him pay his workers. What's next, does he want me to pay his taxes for him to (technically, I already do) Don't get me wrong - I'm totally with you on that. The business owner paying the workers and the customer paying for the service should be two completely separate entities/transactions, and the system is a little broken. I think that however too much ire is directed at the service workers themselves rather than the system in which they operate.
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 8 minutes ago, the fox said: So, the owner of the shop/business is expecting me to pay for the service plus directly help him pay his workers. What's next, does he want me to pay his taxes for him to (technically, I already do) You'll pay for it anyway... if all money came directly from the business then they would put their prices up
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 22 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Thank you for looking that one up - looks like things in NH are decent too, then. It is really wonderful to look around - I haven't seen a massive deal of it yet but going to do some regular hiking this summer - perhaps Monadnock (had to look the spelling up too) will be among the ones I go for but there are loads to choose from! be prepared to see some black bears!
the fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Don't get me wrong - I'm totally with you on that. The business owner paying the workers and the customer paying for the service should be two completely separate entities/transactions, and the system is a little broken. I think that however too much ire is directed at the service workers themselves rather than the system in which they operate. I agree, its not the workers fault. I think I'm with people saying that they tip because they relate to what the workers are going through but tipping for the sake of tipping is nonsense. If you tipping people makes you happier/sleep better at night, then tip away, but just remember, your act is leading to this becoming the norm. If you are trying to be Charitable, keep the tip, go to the nearest restaurant/fast food place, get a sandwich or something to fill the stomach and give it to a homeless person. Believe me you AND him gonna be sleeping better that night.
the fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 18 minutes ago, MPH said: You'll pay for it anyway... if all money came directly from the business then they would put their prices up Would rather that than tipping them because, 1- not every one tips and 2, having a higher and stable income is better for the worker's psyche. The service is consistent and they don't have to feel like they are at the mercy of the costumer
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 8 minutes ago, the fox said: Would rather that than tipping them because, 1- not every one tips and 2, having a higher and stable income is better for the worker's psyche. The service is consistent and they don't have to feel like they are at the mercy of the costumer They would earn much more with the tipping than having a minimum wage....
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 3 hours ago, AKCJ said: You can be absolutely positive that it isn't. It does, waiting staff get taxed on it though.
Babylon Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 If the service has been above and beyond the norm I will, but as a standard not a chance. We already pay extra for our services to pay for the minimum wage.
the fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 1 minute ago, MPH said: They would earn much more with the tipping than having a minimum wage.... 1-It depends, like I said, not everyone tips 2- as for your comment about minimal wage and how the worker will be compensated for any shortage, I think I can only speak on behalf of myself here and say, having an already set end goal can help with the stress of managing your financial life because you don't have to wake up every morning wishing for a tip plus, the customer having too much power over the worker doesn't sit well with me, and I know that there are people out there using this "tipping" thing to feed their huge egos. Pretty much the narcissists.
AKCJ Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 10 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said: It does, waiting staff get taxed on it though. Yeah but my point is that when you have a meal you tip your specific waiter. Card tips are generally split between everybody whereas cash tips should go straight into the waiter's pocket. I once worked at a hotel/restaurant where even the gardeners received a portion of the tips and the management were found to be pocketing a higher percentage than everyone else.
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 8 minutes ago, the fox said: 1-It depends, like I said, not everyone tips 2- as for your comment about minimal wage and how the worker will be compensated for any shortage, I think I can only speak on behalf of myself here and say, having an already set end goal can help with the stress of managing your financial life because you don't have to wake up every morning wishing for a tip plus, the customer having too much power over the worker doesn't sit well with me, and I know that there are people out there using this "tipping" thing to feed their huge egos. Pretty much the narcissists. Quote How much does a Waitress make in Charlotte, NC?The average salary for a Waitress in Charlotte, NC is $22,368. That is 22.4% higher than the national median salary of $18,280. Salary estimates are based on Waitress salaries submitted anonymously to Glassdoor by employees in Charlotte, NC.Apr 23, 2017 22% more than the minimum wage is pretty decent for a waiter/waitress. That takes into account any slow days , of course...
the fox Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 2 minutes ago, MPH said: Fair enough. But I can't help but feel its a small sample, I could be wrong. I want them to get paid better (even if that means the prices gonna go up a little) but the premise of tipping just doesn't feel right for me, I like it to be simple. I go to a shop/ business, you provide the services and I pay for said service. I want nothing in between.
MPH Posted 4 May 2017 Posted 4 May 2017 15 minutes ago, the fox said: Fair enough. But I can't help but feel its a small sample, I could be wrong. I want them to get paid better (even if that means the prices gonna go up a little) but the premise of tipping just doesn't feel right for me, I like it to be simple. I go to a shop/ business, you provide the services and I pay for said service. I want nothing in between. You'll definitely not like america then! They don't add the tax on until you get to the till - the Price displayed. for a CD, a shirt for anything, is NOT the price you end up paying. Apparently people here prefer it that way because then they know how much tax they are paying. Seems odd to me and still catches me out even after being here for nearly 7 years..
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