Thracian Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39855287 Why does our society lack the will to deal with serious criminals effectively? It's a straightforward question because I honestly fail to understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 Because if the people being trafficked are too scared to stand up in court (like it says in the article) then there is very little our legal system can do about it. You can't just wanton lock people up on suspicions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 It has to be proved like any other crime 'beyond reasonable doubt' and that's where the problem lies. We can't lock people away or deport them, without hard evidence and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 3 hours ago, Innovindil said: Because if the people being trafficked are too scared to stand up in court (like it says in the article) then there is very little our legal system can do about it. You can't just wanton lock people up on suspicions. Perhaps that's the solution that Thrac was considering when he mentioned "the will to deal with serious criminals effectively". Of course, I'm no mind reader though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 47 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Perhaps that's the solution that Thrac was considering when he mentioned "the will to deal with serious criminals effectively". Of course, I'm no mind reader though... It's great in the theory of a madman. But where do you stop? Lock up all Pakistanis that marry a european? Lock up all non-europeans who marry a european and decide to settle here? Baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 I can't trust that source as its from the BBC so I won't be reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 6 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: I can't trust that source as its from the BBC so I won't be reading. Don't worry, it's biased in your favour as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: Don't worry, it's biased in your favour as usual. Does it say that because the Tories have cut Police funding and Criminal Justice related spending to such a ridiculous extent that we just can't catch these people as we don't have the resources to effectively investigate and prove their guilt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 14 minutes ago, Innovindil said: It's great in the theory of a madman. But where do you stop? Lock up all Pakistanis that marry a european? Lock up all non-europeans who marry a european and decide to settle here? Baffling. Oh, absolutely. It's horrendous. But there are those out there who do consider it a possible solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 6 hours ago, Innovindil said: Because if the people being trafficked are too scared to stand up in court (like it says in the article) then there is very little our legal system can do about it. You can't just wanton lock people up on suspicions. To be fair, if we offered the right amount of protection to the victims, they would most certainly stand up in court no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 36 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: To be fair, if we offered the right amount of protection to the victims, they would most certainly stand up in court no? We can offer them protection here yes, not sure what we could do about threats to their families back home though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 8 hours ago, Strokes said: It has to be proved like any other crime 'beyond reasonable doubt' and that's where the problem lies. We can't lock people away or deport them, without hard evidence and rightly so. Haven't you just written an oxymoron? How can 'beyond reasonable doubt' be a problem, when we need hard evidence 'and rightly so'? The two don't tally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: Haven't you just written an oxymoron? How can 'beyond reasonable doubt' be a problem, when we need hard evidence 'and rightly so'? The two don't tally? You've lost me Col. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 May 2017 Share Posted 10 May 2017 2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: To be fair, if we offered the right amount of protection to the victims, they would most certainly stand up in court no? You've obviously never watched any thrillers or gangster movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 11 May 2017 Share Posted 11 May 2017 Human trafficking is a massive problem. It's the world's second biggest paying crime. It's the world's fasting growing crime. It actually pays better than weapons. Only drugs is more profitable I think. The homeless suffer particularly. They've squeezed financially, usually suffer from mental health issues and have a poor social support circle. They are prime targets for human trafficking. And Britons suffer massively. There's a book by a young British woman who was sexually trafficked. Young British kids are trafficked from care homes. Only tackling the traffickers, where they traffic the people from and where they traffic the people to, across multiple countries, coordinating with multiple police forces, will ever solve it. And it's not really tolerated but poorly promoted, poorly understood, and poorly tackled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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