Guest Posted 8 October 2017 Posted 8 October 2017 Councils fear surge in evictions as universal credit rollout accelerates https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/08/councils-fear-surge-in-evictions-as-universal-credit-rollout-accelerates?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Alf Bentley Posted 8 October 2017 Posted 8 October 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 21:48, Webbo said: Good stuff. To me, Hannan is by some margin the best exponent of right-wing economic liberalism. I presume that he'll switch his career to Westminster some time soon? If he'd done it sooner, he might well be a leadership candidate now. Where I'd like to see someone pin him down is over the circumstances in which he thinks regulation or public intervention is necessary. Obviously, as a neo-liberal free-trader he'd want to avoid it as much as possible (and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with him on that). But what about markets dominated and abused by monopolies, near-monopolies or cartels of big corporations, particularly transnational corporations? What about free market business with genuine competition that causes social harm: e.g. dangerous working conditions, vastly excessive working hours, environmental pollution, true poverty wages? What about new industries where significant capital investment is needed before a new industry will become market-viable (research, infrastructure, training, initial losses before market takes off)....what role for the state in that or would he rely entirely on venture capital? 1
Guest Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 OBR has finally admitted the UK's productivity hasn't bounced back https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/10/obr-uk-productivity-philip-hammond-brexit-transition?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Jon the Hat Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 On 10/7/2017 at 08:20, toddybad said: which is fine.until you look at the state of council funding. Yeah exactly. RBKC only had a hundred million or so in the bank no?
Guest Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 Just now, Jon the Hat said: Yeah exactly. RBKC only had a hundred million or so in the bank no? London has some very wealthy local authorities due to parking charges. I had a very interesting conversation once with a fraud investigator from a London council who told me they had an entire wardrobe department for certain work. Crazy. RBKC is hardly representative of the majority of council's though is it? Funding has been slashed by a huge % to most and they will need government help to deal with the problem. The government can't just try to deny having any responsibility to act.
Guest MattP Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 (edited) On 08/10/2017 at 23:24, Alf Bentley said: Good stuff. To me, Hannan is by some margin the best exponent of right-wing economic liberalism. I presume that he'll switch his career to Westminster some time soon? If he'd done it sooner, he might well be a leadership candidate now. The extracts of Tim Shipman's new book have been in the Sunday Times over the last few weeks and the Aldershot Conservatives wanted to bring Hannan in but were blocked, HQ didn't want any hard Eurosceptics coming into seats while the negotiating process was ongoing. They did deny this at the time - https://www.ft.com/content/c1dc41ce-3722-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3?mhq5j=e6 (Laughable to be honest as Hannan is clearly one of the best talents they have) If his book is close to the truth (no reason to doubt it is after the brilliant All Out War which got everything spot on) then it's become pretty clear that she wanted to the larger majority in parliament to soften up Brexit rather than go hard, I bet she wished she could admit this now in hindsight as I'm not sure the result could have been any worse with that policy. Edited 10 October 2017 by MattP
Nick Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 Absolutely can't wait for this - my two favourite characters 2
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 5 hours ago, MattP said: The extracts of Tim Shipman's new book have been in the Sunday Times over the last few weeks and the Aldershot Conservatives wanted to bring Hannan in but were blocked, HQ didn't want any hard Eurosceptics coming into seats while the negotiating process was ongoing. They did deny this at the time - https://www.ft.com/content/c1dc41ce-3722-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3?mhq5j=e6 (Laughable to be honest as Hannan is clearly one of the best talents they have) If his book is close to the truth (no reason to doubt it is after the brilliant All Out War which got everything spot on) then it's become pretty clear that she wanted to the larger majority in parliament to soften up Brexit rather than go hard, I bet she wished she could admit this now in hindsight as I'm not sure the result could have been any worse with that policy. She's fvcked herself further on LBC tonight. Whoever's advising her needs sacking.
Guest Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 21 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: She's fvcked herself further on LBC tonight. Whoever's advising her needs sacking. She's just not capable of being a decent PM I'm afraid.unfortunately though she needs to stick it out to avoid a Brexiters getting the job. Though I'm not convinced enough tory mps would support one. It's just open warfare for the tories ATM isn't it? Johnson and Hammond both being slagged off, Rees-Mogg asking his own leader difficult questions of Brexit and the hard Brexiters (or ****ing nutters as 90% of mps rightly see them) can't stop pursuing the cliff edge option.
Guest MattP Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 21 minutes ago, toddybad said: She's just not capable of being a decent PM I'm afraid.unfortunately though she needs to stick it out to avoid a Brexiters getting the job. Though I'm not convinced enough tory mps would support one. It's just open warfare for the tories ATM isn't it? Johnson and Hammond both being slagged off, Rees-Mogg asking his own leader difficult questions of Brexit and the hard Brexiters (or ****ing nutters as 90% of mps rightly see them) can't stop pursuing the cliff edge option. Nah, she's got to go, let's get someone in who actually believes in Brexit and sees it as a huge opportunity rather than someone who doesn't really want it and treats it like a boil on your arse you need to treat, the Tory membership is extremely Eurosceptic and it's about time the leader reflected the views of the members just like the Labour leader does. As for Rees-Mogg, it's a backbenchers job to ask tough questions of the PM, it shouldn't all be sycophantic words just to make the leader of the country feel good, he did the same to Cameron as well when he mocked his pathetoc renegotiation.
Guest Posted 10 October 2017 Posted 10 October 2017 37 minutes ago, MattP said: Nah, she's got to go, let's get someone in who actually believes in Brexit and sees it as a huge opportunity rather than someone who doesn't really want it and treats it like a boil on your arse you need to treat, the Tory membership is extremely Eurosceptic and it's about time the leader reflected the views of the members just like the Labour leader does. As for Rees-Mogg, it's a backbenchers job to ask tough questions of the PM, it shouldn't all be sycophantic words just to make the leader of the country feel good, he did the same to Cameron as well when he mocked his pathetoc renegotiation. You got the start and finish right but I'm never agree with the brexit point. 52% voted leave. That doesn't mean go with the hardest possible leave favored by about 6 mps all of whom are in the who's who of freaks and weirdos.
Fox Ulike Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 11 hours ago, MattP said: Nah, she's got to go, let's get someone in who actually believes in Brexit and sees it as a huge opportunity rather than someone who doesn't really want it and treats it like a boil on your arse you need to treat, the Tory membership is extremely Eurosceptic and it's about time the leader reflected the views of the members just like the Labour leader does. As for Rees-Mogg, it's a backbenchers job to ask tough questions of the PM, it shouldn't all be sycophantic words just to make the leader of the country feel good, he did the same to Cameron as well when he mocked his pathetoc renegotiation. But nobody does actually believe in Brexit! Does anyone actually have a Brexit plan that the country can believe in? Even you have said that ultimately, the desire for freedom/independence from the EU is what is driving Brexit. There’s no economic plan. There’s no plan as to how immigration will reduce. We'll be free. Nothing else matters. Brexit is a blank space. Not even the Prime Minister believes in it any more. What is there to believe in??
Guest MattP Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 2 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: But nobody does actually believe in Brexit! Does anyone actually have a Brexit plan that the country can believe in? Even you have said that ultimately, the desire for freedom/independence from the EU is what is driving Brexit. There’s no economic plan. There’s no plan as to how immigration will reduce. We'll be free. Nothing else matters. Brexit is a blank space. Not even the Prime Minister believes in it any more. What is there to believe in?? The 4,000 word piece from BJ in the Telegraph was a pretty good outline or go to Dan Hannan's book "What Next" if you want even more depth. Either are pretty good blueprints.
Guest MattP Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 10 hours ago, toddybad said: You got the start and finish right but I'm never agree with the brexit point. 52% voted leave. That doesn't mean go with the hardest possible leave favored by about 6 mps all of whom are in the who's who of freaks and weirdos. Out of interest, are you paying what the EU demand before any guarantee on trade is made?
Fox Ulike Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: The 4,000 word piece from BJ in the Telegraph was a pretty good outline or go to Dan Hannan's book "What Next" if you want even more depth. Either are pretty good blueprints. So you can't explain it without telling me to read a whole book about it? I'm not that interested in 'depth' - just some basic principles would be nice. Johnson said: ""There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market." But he will not accept free movement. The EU said. "No". And that's the 'plan'?
Guest Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 21 minutes ago, MattP said: Out of interest, are you paying what the EU demand before any guarantee on trade is made? The EU isn't demanding a figure, its demanding that we set out clearly what we accept as needing to be paid and how we believe the payment should be calculated. So far we've said we'll pay approx £20b as our continuing payments into the budget whilst we're in the eu but have refused to commit to a methodology for calculating what else might be due - or even to set out whether or not we believe other payments could or should be made for things we agreed to as a member. How is the EU supposed to proceed when they don't know if we'll shirk our commitments?
Guest Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 25 minutes ago, MattP said: Out of interest, are you paying what the EU demand before any guarantee on trade is made? And you do realise that capital flight will take hold before we leave the EU if no deal looks likely don't you? Multinationals won't be waiting to see if we can make it work after we've left - they'll have plans to move before March 2019 if we aren't moving towards a deal by next Spring. Johnson, Gove, Farage and every single Brexit voter should be getting extremely nervous.
Guest MattP Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 14 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: So you can't explain it without telling me to read a whole book about it? I'm not that interested in 'depth' - just some basic principles would be nice. Johnson said: ""There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market." But he will not accept free movement. The EU said. "No". And that's the 'plan'? Where did Johnson say that? If you want a whole post Brexit plan then yes I'd recommend the book by Hannan, it's far too complex to describe in a few lines, if you want basic principles then what's wrong with the Lancaster house speech? Nothing has really changed from that.
Strokes Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 3 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: So you can't explain it without telling me to read a whole book about it? I'm not that interested in 'depth' - just some basic principles would be nice. Johnson said: ""There will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market." But he will not accept free movement. The EU said. "No". And that's the 'plan'? Even if we leave on WTO terms, the pound sterling devaluation will more than cover the deficit. You getting all hissy about economic plans for brexit being woolly, well obviously they will be as we dont know what deal we will be operating under. How can you blame the government for not realeasing economic scenarios, when as soon as they admit to not knowing anything the left wing media have kittens. May said yesterday, she cannot guarantee the rights of EU citizens until she knows what deal we are getting and the meltdown is astonishing. The fact is, brexit is being sabotaged from all angles and actually, all it seems to be doing pushing us closer and closer to a hard brexit, which suits me just fine. 1
Guest MattP Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 4 minutes ago, toddybad said: The EU isn't demanding a figure, its demanding that we set out clearly what we accept as needing to be paid and how we believe the payment should be calculated. So far we've said we'll pay approx £20b as our continuing payments into the budget whilst we're in the eu but have refused to commit to a methodology for calculating what else might be due - or even to set out whether or not we believe other payments could or should be made for things we agreed to as a member. How is the EU supposed to proceed when they don't know if we'll shirk our commitments? If the German press is to be believe they have demanded upward of 70 billion without even providing a remit of what it's for. We've made an offer, the EU has done nothing yet you are so obsessed with criticising our own government you are still siding with them. I'll ask again, would you just pay what they ask with no guarantee on trade?
Fox Ulike Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 9 minutes ago, MattP said: Where did Johnson say that? If you want a whole post Brexit plan then yes I'd recommend the book by Hannan, it's far too complex to describe in a few lines, if you want basic principles then what's wrong with the Lancaster house speech? Nothing has really changed from that. It really isn't. There's the single market, underpinned by the four freedoms, which includes the free movement of people. And there's the Customs Union. What's the plan for these post-Brexit? If you don't know, just say so!!
Guest MattP Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 4 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: It really isn't. There's the single market, underpinned by the four freedoms, which includes the free movement of people. And there's the Customs Union. What's the plan for these post-Brexit? If you don't know, just say so!! As I've said, what has changed from the Lancaster house speech? The position is FOM ends, we leave the SM, we leave the customs union and seek a new arrangement that is bespoke. That has been consistent, the only change in policy has been the transition period.
Fox Ulike Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 12 minutes ago, Strokes said: Even if we leave on WTO terms, the pound sterling devaluation will more than cover the deficit. You getting all hissy about economic plans for brexit being woolly, well obviously they will be as we dont know what deal we will be operating under. How can you blame the government for not realeasing economic scenarios, when as soon as they admit to not knowing anything the left wing media have kittens. May said yesterday, she cannot guarantee the rights of EU citizens until she knows what deal we are getting and the meltdown is astonishing. The fact is, brexit is being sabotaged from all angles and actually, all it seems to be doing pushing us closer and closer to a hard brexit, which suits me just fine. I’m really not. I voted Remain, but to be honest it was touch-and-go. My view is that if the Leavers actually showed any vision about how the promises that they made were going to be delivered, then I would be fine with that. But now I don’t know who to believe. MattP is telling me it’s all been worked out by Boris and in a book he’s read – but you’re contradicting him and telling me it’s wooly and obviously so. Who’s right?
Guest MattP Posted 11 October 2017 Posted 11 October 2017 5 minutes ago, Fox Ulike said: But now I don’t know who to believe. MattP is telling me it’s all been worked out by Boris and in a book he’s read – but you’re contradicting him and telling me it’s wooly and obviously so. Who’s right? I didnt actually say that did I? You asked for any sort of plan claiming no one had one, I gave you two examples. I've got better things to do than this today.
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