Politics Thread (encompassing Brexit) - 21 June 2017 onwards

[Bobby Hundreds]

Did anyone see the letter 'F' fall off the backing board behind the PM during her speech.  

 

It's the little things that kill you...

[Guest MattP]

7 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Did anyone see the letter 'F' fall off the backing board behind the PM during her speech.  

 

It's the little things that kill you...

Just after it finished the E fell off as well.

[Alf Bentley]

16 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Did anyone see the letter 'F' fall off the backing board behind the PM during her speech.  

 

 

8 minutes ago, MattP said:

Just after it finished the E fell off as well.

 

All deliberate....

 

Just clever subliminal marketing of the core Tory message: F E - Fvck Europe 

[Guest Kopfkino]

May almost got the words and rhetoric right, then decided to ignore herself when announcing policy. Praised the free market and then announced she was ploughing on with the energy price cap. 

 

Was just waiting for Boris to takeover and finish her speech for her, would have completed the metaphor.

[SMX11]

19 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

May almost got the words and rhetoric right, then decided to ignore herself when announcing policy. Praised the free market and then announced she was ploughing on with the energy price cap. 

 

Was just waiting for Boris to takeover and finish her speech for her, would have completed the metaphor.

She is just a typical Tory moderniser. Praise free markets and then advocates more state intervention in everything she does. I think it tells you a lot that she was effectively voted in by the party with no challenge. Total shambles.

[Guest]

[Guest]

'The British. Dream. Is what I am. In politics. For,' the Maybot whirred

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/04/maybot-tory-conference-speech-british-dream-politics-sketch?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

[Alf Bentley]

Serious question: Does anyone else think May could be seriously struggling with her position psychologically?

It's an awful situation, in fairness: UK's most demanding era for decades, her party and public credibility is shot after the election, she knows many colleagues either blame her for their problems or are actively conspiring to overthrow her....

 

Several times recently, seen up close during interviews, she has looked like twitching with anxiety, as if she might suffer a tic and there has been a look of fear in her eyes.

Today, the comedian with a P45 was a security lapse and coughing fits can affect anyone, but I gather they only started after the bloke's intervention. I wonder if that threw her psychologically?

 

I may be imagining things but it would be a seriously bad time to have a psychologically fragile PM. Disregarding politics, I'd normally have thought it better to keep the same PM until after March 2019.

But things are likely to get more intense over the next 12-18 months so a personally vulnerable PM would be bad news - there's an argument that the Tories would be democratically obliged to overthrow May.

News of infighting against her and any impressions of psychological fragility will also feed through to the EU, which might be encouraged to adopt a tougher line....

[Spudulike]

At least they didn't all stand around singing their leaders name to the tune of the White Stripes. That would've been truely horrific.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

At least they didn't all stand around singing their leaders name to the tune of the White Stripes. That would've been truely horrific.

 

 

[Guest FriendlyRam]

Shes done

 

Has been since the election but for whatever reason they havent pulled the rug,, but its only a matter of time.

[Spudulike]

Just now, toddybad said:

 

 

Why bitter ?? I'm not a Tory voter. Life long Labour if you must know. However, singing Corbyn's name is beyond cringeworthy.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Why bitter ?? I'm not a Tory voter. Life long Labour if you must know. However, singing Corbyn's name is beyond cringeworthy.

tbf it is at a conference like that, id agree. I quite like that it became the sound of the summer though - a sign of the young being reenergised by politics.

[foxinexile]

Michael Gove weighing in with his own take on the benefits of Brexit: We can sell more pigs' ears to the Chinese. 

http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/national/15570270.More_pigs____ears_for_export_after_Brexit__says_Michael_Gove/

 

Is this an early April Fools? Or is this the desperate state that prominent Leave politicians have had to resort to in order to extol the virtues of Brexit? Because if the main benefit of leaving the EU is so we can "buy more silk purses for British farmers" (in Gove's own words) through the sale of the ears of pigs to the Chinese consumer market, we are truly up the creek without the paddle. I suppose in fairness to him, at least he has given an actual example of a Brexit benefit (if it is), something no one else has so far appeared able to do.   

 

 

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

Serious question: Does anyone else think May could be seriously struggling with her position psychologically?

It's an awful situation, in fairness: UK's most demanding era for decades, her party and public credibility is shot after the election, she knows many colleagues either blame her for their problems or are actively conspiring to overthrow her....

 

Several times recently, seen up close during interviews, she has looked like twitching with anxiety, as if she might suffer a tic and there has been a look of fear in her eyes.

Today, the comedian with a P45 was a security lapse and coughing fits can affect anyone, but I gather they only started after the bloke's intervention. I wonder if that threw her psychologically?

 

I may be imagining things but it would be a seriously bad time to have a psychologically fragile PM. Disregarding politics, I'd normally have thought it better to keep the same PM until after March 2019.

But things are likely to get more intense over the next 12-18 months so a personally vulnerable PM would be bad news - there's an argument that the Tories would be democratically obliged to overthrow May.

News of infighting against her and any impressions of psychological fragility will also feed through to the EU, which might be encouraged to adopt a tougher line....

I definitely see some anxiety in her, coughing is a result of a dry throat which is caused by anxiety. I'm not a fan of hers but I really hope that she's getting some guidance behind the scenes as it's never pretty seeing somebody melt down in the limelight, if she had any sense she'd get out as soon as possible and live the rest of her life in the sunshine in the caribbean away from everything.

[Vacamion]

 

Cameron or Blair, but probably not Brown, would have had a ready quip for the P45 bloke, would probably have had enough self-confidence to go off stage for 5 minutes to clear the throat and regain composure before bounding back on with a faux sheepish "Sorry about that, you know how it is..." and might even have been able to make light of the letters falling off the slogan.

 

You do wonder how May rose to the top in politics.

 

 

[David Guiza]

Good to see May wearing a Frida Kahlo bracelet too - keeping the red flag flying. Can't wait to see her turn up in an Unknown Pleasures or Nirvana t-shirt for her next speech. 

[Izzy]

3 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

Serious question: Does anyone else think May could be seriously struggling with her position psychologically?

It's an awful situation, in fairness: UK's most demanding era for decades, her party and public credibility is shot after the election, she knows many colleagues either blame her for their problems or are actively conspiring to overthrow her....

 

Several times recently, seen up close during interviews, she has looked like twitching with anxiety, as if she might suffer a tic and there has been a look of fear in her eyes.

Today, the comedian with a P45 was a security lapse and coughing fits can affect anyone, but I gather they only started after the bloke's intervention. I wonder if that threw her psychologically?

 

I may be imagining things but it would be a seriously bad time to have a psychologically fragile PM. Disregarding politics, I'd normally have thought it better to keep the same PM until after March 2019.

But things are likely to get more intense over the next 12-18 months so a personally vulnerable PM would be bad news - there's an argument that the Tories would be democratically obliged to overthrow May.

News of infighting against her and any impressions of psychological fragility will also feed through to the EU, which might be encouraged to adopt a tougher line....

I thought she did well today considering everything. And I’ve got a different take on her position - that I’ll get hammered for 

 

I think she’s done remarkably well to survive the first 12 months of her tenure. If she can get through the last year, she can get through anything imo.

 

I wonder if the whole experience has made her tougher and more resilient. She’s learning ‘on the job’ and getting abuse from all angles.

 

Imagine if she comes through it all and actually ends up a big success. I hope she keeps improving and keeps fighting - just to piss everyone off really.

 

I reckon a lot of the personal flack she’s received is unfair and deep down I think she cares and has the nations best interests at heart - although she clearly struggles to express it sometimes.

 

I’m right behind her (because I can’t think of a better alternative and certainly not Corbyn) so good luck to the lass I say 

[Vacamion]

42 minutes ago, David Guiza said:

Good to see May wearing a Frida Kahlo bracelet too - keeping the red flag flying. Can't wait to see her turn up in an Unknown Pleasures or Nirvana t-shirt for her next speech. 

 

Old hat after Dave Cameron famously said he was a big The Smiths fan.

 

I remember Johnny Marr saying in response that DC wasn't allowed to like them.  

 

I imagine in my quiet moments that Phil Hammond likes a bit of NWA and old skool Grime.

 

[Sharpe's Fox]

10 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

I imagine in my quiet moments that Phil Hammond likes a bit of NWA and old skool Grime.

You're not far off

 

https://www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2016/08/profile-philip-hammond-the-goth-with-lovely-long-silky-hair-who-became-chancellor-of-the-exchequer.html

 

 

 

[Jimothy]

10 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I thought she did well today considering everything. And I’ve got a different take on her position - that I’ll get hammered for 

 

I think she’s done remarkably well to survive the first 12 months of her tenure. If she can get through the last year, she can get through anything imo.

 

I wonder if the whole experience has made her tougher and more resilient. She’s learning ‘on the job’ and getting abuse from all angles.

 

Imagine if she comes through it all and actually ends up a big success. I hope she keeps improving and keeps fighting - just to piss everyone off really.

 

I reckon a lot of the personal flack she’s received is unfair and deep down I think she cares and has the nations best interests at heart - although she clearly struggles to express it sometimes.

 

I’m right behind her (because I can’t think of a better alternative and certainly not Corbyn) so good luck to the lass I say 

I find your stance on May, across all the posts you've made on it, a little patronising to her. I'm sure if this was a man you wouldn't be talking about how remarkably well they'd done, you're only doing it because she's a woman. Fact is, if this was Boris, Cameron, Corbyn, Blair, Gove, Brown etc, performing so badly, and looking like they were falling apart mentally and physically you wouldn't be making excuses for them. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

13 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I thought she did well today considering everything. And I’ve got a different take on her position - that I’ll get hammered for 

 

I think she’s done remarkably well to survive the first 12 months of her tenure. If she can get through the last year, she can get through anything imo.

 

I wonder if the whole experience has made her tougher and more resilient. She’s learning ‘on the job’ and getting abuse from all angles.

 

Imagine if she comes through it all and actually ends up a big success. I hope she keeps improving and keeps fighting - just to piss everyone off really.

 

I reckon a lot of the personal flack she’s received is unfair and deep down I think she cares and has the nations best interests at heart - although she clearly struggles to express it sometimes.

 

I’m right behind her (because I can’t think of a better alternative and certainly not Corbyn) so good luck to the lass I say 

She made it difficult for herself. She called an election because she saw several polls giving her 20+ point lead and tried to use Brexit to disguise her taking advantage of this. Just 6 months ago, the talk was around a Labour Party that couldn't survive and was heading for electoral oblivion, now the talk is of a Conservative Party with no vision and struggling to beat Labour in any age group outside those drawing a pension. She had surrounded herself with the wrong people, shut everyone bar 4 people out, and led the worst election campaign imaginable. She got it all so hopelessly wrong. She managed to turn a fairly strong position with an okay majority into a situation where she has to do dodgy deals with the DUP just to get a budget through, has little hope of actually governing, can't stand up to Cabinet rebellions, and is only still in her job because a)there is no alternative and b)the Conservatives want to get past Brexit negotiations first. I might be inclined to stick up for her if she inherited this but she didn't, even the Brexit agenda was set by her. She's not a leader, she's not a prime minister. 

[Izzy]

18 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

I find your stance on May, across all the posts you've made on it, a little patronising to her. I'm sure if this was a man you wouldn't be talking about how remarkably well they'd done, you're only doing it because she's a woman. Fact is, if this was Boris, Cameron, Corbyn, Blair, Gove, Brown etc, performing so badly, and looking like they were falling apart mentally and physically you wouldn't be making excuses for them. 

Don’t know how you can say “I’m sure if this was a man...” or “you’re only doing it because..” or “Fact is..” when it’s MY opinion.

 

Regardless of gender, I have the upmost respect for anyone who battles adversity and comes through the other side. It’s a human trait I admire greatly which is why I hope TM is ultimately successful.

 

And how you can say she’s “falling apart physically” just because she had a cough? Bit of an over reaction I’d say. She’s been talking all week close up with people and there’s lots of colds going around. She had a cough. She’s human. Big deal...

 

 

[Izzy]

21 minutes ago, KingGTF said:

She made it difficult for herself. She called an election because she saw several polls giving her 20+ point lead and tried to use Brexit to disguise her taking advantage of this. Just 6 months ago, the talk was around a Labour Party that couldn't survive and was heading for electoral oblivion, now the talk is of a Conservative Party with no vision and struggling to beat Labour in any age group outside those drawing a pension. She had surrounded herself with the wrong people, shut everyone bar 4 people out, and led the worst election campaign imaginable. She got it all so hopelessly wrong. She managed to turn a fairly strong position with an okay majority into a situation where she has to do dodgy deals with the DUP just to get a budget through, has little hope of actually governing, can't stand up to Cabinet rebellions, and is only still in her job because a)there is no alternative and b)the Conservatives want to get past Brexit negotiations first. I might be inclined to stick up for her if she inherited this but she didn't, even the Brexit agenda was set by her. She's not a leader, she's not a prime minister. 

All the more reason I hope she learns from her mistakes, turns it all around, and ultimately proves everyone wrong.

[ithuriel]

Well, best comedy sketch done for television in this country in ages, unfortunately she is running the country