davieG Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 1 hour ago, toddybad said: Good news for our brexiteer friends' arguments i guess. Brexit could blow €20bn hole in EU budget, warns European commissioner https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/brexit-blow-20bn-hole-eu-budget-european-commissioner Good news for the UK and their negotiators.
Guest Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 Biggest ever study of food banks warns use likely to increase https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/29/biggest-ever-study-of-food-banks-warns-use-likely-to-increase
Buce Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 1 minute ago, toddybad said: Biggest ever study of food banks warns use likely to increase https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/29/biggest-ever-study-of-food-banks-warns-use-likely-to-increase Austerity UK. A Banana Republic without the fvcking bananas.
Sharpe's Fox Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 24 minutes ago, Buce said: Austerity UK. A Banana Republic without the fvcking bananas. At least the bananas won't be discriminated against based on curvature. 4
katieakita Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 3 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: So regressive that the countries championed by the left as the most progressive in the world generally have a higher rate than us?! Bizarre. Increasing it would probably bring in huge amounts of revenue as its a tax few can avoid as collected at POS. To be honest as cold food does not have VAT and energy is a lower rate, really you are taxing non essential luxury items like the latest 65 inch TV, that seems pretty fair to me. Again as annoying as VAT on petrol is, having a car is a luxury item and if we can afford to pay for the superb nationalised rail system surely that would be worth it. Well they could start by taxing newspapers sure we would all agree that is fair and reasonable
Rincewind Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 2 hours ago, toddybad said: Biggest ever study of food banks warns use likely to increase https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/29/biggest-ever-study-of-food-banks-warns-use-likely-to-increase Shelter and other social services and charities have been warning and highlighting this for the past two or three years but always dismissed as scaremongering. Some politicians know sweet FA about what is gappening outside their little world.
Guest MattP Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 2 hours ago, Buce said: Austerity UK. A Banana Republic without the fvcking bananas. Just imagine what the austerity will be like when we actually have to implement it properly rather than just borrowing less like we do now. Genuinely scares me.
Guest Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 It may surprise some of you but i very rarely agree with polly toynbee. What she has written today (or had published today i suppose) however, i agree with wholeheartedly. Applauding a public sector pay cap? Tories are cheering their own demise https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/29/public-sector-pay-tory-cheers-labour-vote
Guest MattP Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 8 minutes ago, toddybad said: It may surprise some of you but i very rarely agree with polly toynbee. Yeah I bet, I often disagree with Richard Littlejohn and Douglas Murray as well. Honest.
Guest MattP Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 Caroline Flint still looks good, imagine a 3 way with her and Liz Kendall. Bloody hell.
Guest MattP Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 Caroline Flint saying Labour committed to leaving single market and controlling immigration. We really do need some clarity on this from someone on the front bench.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 4 minutes ago, MattP said: Caroline Flint saying Labour committed to leaving single market and controlling immigration. We really do need some clarity on this from someone on the front bench. To be fair Johnny Mac had said it pretty consistently. Mind you it doesnt really matter anyway. If we have another election in 6 months, 12 months, 2 years or the full 5, Labour wont win.
Guest Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 13 minutes ago, MattP said: Yeah I bet, I often disagree with Richard Littlejohn and Douglas Murray as well. Honest. I did say you'd be surprised! I find she usually follows a line of non-logical thinking to reach ill thought out conclusions. This time she was bang on.
Guest Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 1 minute ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: To be fair Johnny Mac had said it pretty consistently. Mind you it doesnt really matter anyway. If we have another election in 6 months, 12 months, 2 years or the full 5, Labour wont win. Why so sure?
Innovindil Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 11 minutes ago, MattP said: Caroline Flint saying Labour committed to leaving single market and controlling immigration. We really do need some clarity on this from someone on the front bench. They want to leave the single market but have all the benefits of it despite being told there's no chance of it. And people call brexiters delusional.
Guest MattP Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 2 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said: To be fair Johnny Mac had said it pretty consistently. Mind you it doesnt really matter anyway. If we have another election in 6 months, 12 months, 2 years or the full 5, Labour wont win. He has, but we now have motions and commitments from so many Labour MP's to stay in the single market, it's absolutely outrageous given they stood on a manifesto effectively to leave it just weeks ago. It's about time they stopped this "jobs first" bullshit rhetoric and actually told us what they support. If May hadn't been such a coward in the campaign this was there to be exposed. It's the biggest open goal in politics and she didn't just miss it, she didn't even put her kit on to walk onto the pitch.
Guest MattP Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 2 minutes ago, Innovindil said: They want to leave the single market but have all the benefits of it despite being told there's no chance of it. And people call brexiters delusional. And then says it's Boris who wants to ha e his cake and eat it. It's beyond belief.
katieakita Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 Just now, MattP said: And then says it's Boris who wants to ha e his cake and eat it. It's beyond belief. Boris would probably want somebody else's cake as well
EnderbyFox Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 I'd let Caroline Flint take me out of the Single Market 1
Foxxed Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 If that EU commissioner is right we're 10% of the yearly budget being as the yearly budget is roughly 190 billion. They're going to lose that anyway. Not sure how that will help us in negotiations. It's not like we're offering to keep paying that, unless we don't go for a hard Brexit, in which case we'll pay like Norway does for tariff free access to the Single Market. I mean if you were negotiating with someone with 190 quid, and you told them you were taking away 20, I'm unsure how that would give you leverage over that person. 1
Guest MattP Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 Liz Kendall on This Week tonight, the day just gets better. We just need Esther McVey on QT and it's a full set.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 18 minutes ago, MattP said: He has, but we now have motions and commitments from so many Labour MP's to stay in the single market, it's absolutely outrageous given they stood on a manifesto effectively to leave it just weeks ago. It's about time they stopped this "jobs first" bullshit rhetoric and actually told us what they support. If May hadn't been such a coward in the campaign this was there to be exposed. It's the biggest open goal in politics and she didn't just miss it, she didn't even put her kit on to walk onto the pitch. If this election and what's followed has taught us anything, it's that manifestos mean jack shit.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: Liz Kendall on This Week tonight, the day just gets better. We just need Esther McVey on QT and it's a full set. Also Baroness Mone just to bring some class to the proceedings and Yvette Cooper as there always has to be a dog in a girl band.
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 (edited) 32 minutes ago, toddybad said: Why so sure? Because Corbyn (as well as he's done) will always turn off large parts of the electorate and as its virtually impossible to overthrow him for the leadership, he'll be there for the forseeable future. This is probably as good as it would get for him in terms of numbers. The election campaign and subsequent own goals and gaffs from May and the Government truly are on a scale that belong only in satire, yet they were still the largest party by a significant margin and their vote share was ridiculously high. The Tory party could not be any worse than they are right now yet still, Labour couldnt overthrow them. That's basically why i'm so sure. Edited 29 June 2017 by Realist Guy In The Room 1
Webbo Posted 29 June 2017 Posted 29 June 2017 46 minutes ago, MattP said: Liz Kendall on This Week tonight, the day just gets better. We just need Esther McVey on QT and it's a full set. She has a very full set.
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