Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 5 minutes ago, MattP said: I bet Foster agreed to this originally and then was lent on, I can't for minute believe May went with this to Juncker without consulting her. I think that’s quite likely tbf.
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, Strokes said: How many Tory rebels are in the cross party quisling group? We could certainly see a leadership challenge in the next few weeks. About ten but the chance of the membership voting for a remainer is very low so they are screwed as well. Ever the most ardent remainer tories like Soubry have said they'll do nothing to risk a Corbyn led government inflicted on the country.
GaelicFox Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 23 minutes ago, Strokes said: I think you have picked every side of the fence in the last 18 months, it would have been nigh on impossible for you not to have not got something right There was no fence this time ! I simply said that the Irish Issue was the deal breaker or maker and that’s how it’s worked out I’m irish , as everyone is seeing today there is nothing as confusing or contradicting as an Irish person
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, MattP said: About ten but the chance of the membership voting for a remainer is very low so they are screwed as well. Ever the most ardent remainer tories like Soubry have said they'll do nothing to risk a Corbyn led government inflicted on the country. Oh damn. need May out ASAP, she has well and truly buckled.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, GaelicFox said: There was no fence this time ! I simply said that the Irish Issue was the deal breaker or maker and that’s how it’s worked out I’m irish , as everyone is seeing today there is nothing as confusing or contradicting as an Irish person You are a scally and a wum and you will get no change out of me paddy 1
The Doctor Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 22 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s not this vote that the government would fear losing, its DUPs support in other areas. They could potentially bring down this weak government and they know it. Rock and a hard place. There are very few options available to Theresa May now. Yep. May has got to gamble that compromising their unionism is preferable to the DUP than having the government shackled by a party lead by an IRA sympathiser.
leicsmac Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MattP said: Absolutely no chance. The Tories aren't going to vote for an election when they are behind in the polls. 13 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: There is genuinely 0 chance of an election before the end of 2019 Strokes raised the point I was thinking of already - that the DUP might end up forcing them to do so should this become a bigger issue. Good counterpoints though - so the general consensus is that the DUP would end up conceding on this matter rather than going so far as to risk a general election where Labour might win? Sounds like a big game of chicken about to happen here. Edited 4 December 2017 by leicsmac
Webbo Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 18 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Serious question for you and others on here - do you foresee another General Election within the next six months given this and other factors? Seriously doubt it. I'm in favour of a deal but I don't blame the DUP 1 bit. They're unionists and they don't want to weaken the union. 1
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Good counterpoints though - so the general consensus is that the DUP would end up conceding on this matter rather than going so far as to risk a general election where Labour might win? The DUP would never do anything to even risk Labour coming to power with the current mob in charge but they'll pretend they might to get something. We'll probably have to bung them a few more quid, doesn't matter anyway as it's all for investment that pays for itself. Toddybungs I call them.
The Doctor Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 4 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Strokes raised the point I was thinking of already - that the DUP might end up forcing them to do so should this become a bigger issue. Good counterpoints though - so the general consensus is that the DUP would end up conceding on this matter rather than going so far as to risk a general election where Labour might win? Sounds like a big game of chicken about to happen here. I'd be amazed if they would. They've been willing to repeatedly shut down stormont rather than compromise.
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, Webbo said: Seriously doubt it. I'm in favour of a deal but I don't blame the DUP 1 bit. They're unionists and they don't want to weaken the union. I agree, easy for us to say over here accept this but anything treating them different than the rest of the UK goes down a very rocky road.
GaelicFox Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 The DUP won’t allow Comrade Cobyn Into number 10 they know that Soviet Jeremy has a long term plan to give the Irish a vote on unity an All Ireland vote !
leicsmac Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MattP said: The DUP would never do anything to even risk Labour coming to power with the current mob in charge but they'll pretend they might to get something. We'll probably have to bung them a few more quid, doesn't matter anyway as it's all for investment that pays for itself. Toddybungs I call them. You think they'll back down then? This is a core issue for them - possibly even their raison d'etre. I can see what you mean about them not wanting to let Corbyn get a sniff of no.10, though - I'm honestly not sure which sentiment is stronger as they both involve a good result for a group that they hate. Edited 4 December 2017 by leicsmac
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: You think they'll back down then? This is a core issue for them - possibly even their raison d'etre. Who knows? It appears they accepted it earlier in the day so we can't be that far off. Whatever happens they won't bring the government down, they can always vote for no deal instead when it comes to parliament so we leave on WTO (sorry CRASH OUT as the BBC call it) terms.
leicsmac Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: Who knows? It appears they accepted it earlier in the day so we can't be that far off. Whatever happens they won't bring the government down, they can always vote for no deal instead when it comes to parliament so we leave on WTO (sorry CRASH OUT as the BBC call it) terms. Fair enough. From over here it certainly makes for compelling TV - like I said, it's a game of chicken as a general election is an outcome neither side wants.
Izzy Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 26 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: There is genuinely 0 chance of an election before the end of 2019 I'm not sure Toddy will survive that long with us having a Conservative government until then. He'll either have a heart attack or his head will explode
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 2 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I'm not sure Toddy will survive that long with us having a Conservative government until then. He'll either have a heart attack or his head will explode If I had the power to do so I'd go until 2022 just to see his reaction.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 11 minutes ago, MattP said: If I had the power to do so I'd go until 2022 just to see his reaction. At which point him and Rog move to Sweden together when Jeremy Hunt leads the Conservatives to a huge majority.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 4 December 2017 Author Posted 4 December 2017 1 hour ago, MattP said: Impressed with Leo Varadkar in that press conference, good news is we actually had agreed a deal so there is something to work on, quite clear it's the DUP that are the problem. Biggest problem with a special status for Northern Ireland is Scotland would want the same. It can't really happen no matter how "invisible" the border is. Could end up seeing this go to parliament and daring the DUP to vote it down. I can see it now - the final ‘agreed deal’ with the EU won’t get through the House of Commons. There’ll be so many sticking points for various factions, the end result will be a resounding ‘No!’
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Just now, DJ Barry Hammond said: I can see it now - the final ‘agreed deal’ with the EU won’t get through the House of Commons. There’ll be so many sticking points for various factions, the end result will be a resounding ‘No!’ It will have to be pretty bad for the MP's to vote for No Deal. Would even Labour do that given the disaster they have said coming onto WTO terms would do?
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 1 minute ago, MattP said: It will have to be pretty bad for the MP's to vote for No Deal. Would even Labour do that given the disaster they have said coming onto WTO terms would do? No deal is better than a bad deal
Buce Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 They could offer it back to the electorate. Two part question: Do you wish to leave or remain? If the vote is to leave, do you wish to accept the deal on offer, or no deal.
Strokes Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buce said: They could offer it back to the electorate. Two part question: Do you wish to leave or remain? If the vote is to leave, do you wish to accept the deal on offer, or no deal. Better question, what should vote no deal campaign have as their battle bus slogan? Edited 4 December 2017 by Strokes
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 Cant help but think if they’d have just honoured the bus pledge from the start, all of this would have been a lot easier.
Guest MattP Posted 4 December 2017 Posted 4 December 2017 13 minutes ago, Buce said: They could offer it back to the electorate. Two part question: Do you wish to leave or remain? If the vote is to leave, do you wish to accept the deal on offer, or no deal. If they know we are doing that the EU would make sure we got absolutely shafted to try and force us to stay. Parliament is the final voice on this and I'm sure they'll vote for what we've got. Both party leaders now want to leave the EU as well (although for different reasons) and both parties stood on manifestos to leave. If people wanted to reverse the result they had the chance in June to do so by voting Green or Lib Dem.
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