Strokes Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: The key thing is your use of the word 'credit'. No government should get credit for increasing house prices. An entire generation cheered from the sidelines as their homes became more and more expensive. They shouldn't have cheered. It was not a good thing. It’s decent if you’ve got one, I’d be over the moon if a house pricing crash happens in a few weeks though (once my sale goes through).
Countryfox Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 1 minute ago, toddybad said: An entire generation cheered from the sidelines as their homes became more and more expensive. They shouldn't have cheered. It was not a good thing. I think my house has gone up in value since I bought it years ago ..... BOOOO !!!! HISSSS !!!! BOOOOOOO !!!! TORIES OUT !!!!! .....
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 11 minutes ago, toddybad said: The key thing is your use of the word 'credit'. No government should get credit for increasing house prices. An entire generation cheered from the sidelines as their homes became more and more expensive. They shouldn't have cheered. It was not a good thing. I agree. It was not a good thing. More should have been done to counter that, unfortunately it created an artificial credit bubble that many were happy to live with during so called good times. I also think in hindsight the joy people had in buying their council home was not a good thing either, particularly given there was no plan for rebuilding replacements. Many years of housing stock mismanagement and ill judged immigration policies have led to where we are with house prices today. At the end of the day the cost of housing is a supply and demand, if there is a house for rent at £600 a month and a queue of people you cant blame a land lord for expecting that rent and getting it. If the same house is £1000 a month the queue isn't there.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 15 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’s decent if you’ve got one, I’d be over the moon if a house pricing crash happens in a few weeks though (once my sale goes through). I think steady house price rises 3-5% a year is no problem. We were talking 50% in one year between 2002 and 2007. That's madness. House prices wont crash unless supply outstrips demand. 2 chances of that happening are Brexit causes loads of people to emigrate or we build a shit tonne of houses!! Neither is likely, a more gradual slow down of growth seems likely as more and more house are built. They question like toddy has asked rightly, is whether we can build enough to meet demand in the private sector?
Guest Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 I don't really buy into this to be honest, council elections are no barometer at all imo. However, if you extrapolate last nights results into a general election it wasn't so good for the Tories...
Guest MattP Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 7 minutes ago, toddybad said: I don't really buy into this to be honest, council elections are no barometer at all imo. However, if you extrapolate last nights results into a general election it wasn't so good for the Tories... That's an absolute delight for the Tories. Labour fertile councils, lots of London, just after the home sec sacking, Windrush, this shambles and still you can't get close a majority and he could only be PM begging a load of nationalists to prop him up. You were expected to gain 250 councillors this week. Your real worry should again come from how much ground you are losing in the North and Midlands.
CarbonVirtine Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 My own take is it that it ought be a wake up call for Labour, or rather sections of Labour. Labour should, I think, have done better. There was a virtual gaping net. That they didn't was, in my belief, 'loonie left' fears. I think Corbyn is frightening off a good number of would-be Labour voters. He's not the man for this particular hour. 1
Guest Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MattP said: That's an absolute delight for the Tories. Labour fertile councils, lots of London, just after the home sec sacking, Windrush, this shambles and still you can't get close a majority and he could only be PM begging a load of nationalists to prop him up. You were expected to gain 250 councillors this week. Your real worry should again come from how much ground you are losing in the North and Midlands. It's also only a year from a GE. You're trying too hard to spin this Matty. I don't know why. You don't work for the Tories and you aren't going to convince me. Neither party can take much away from last night. But it showed, according to that picture, that labour are keeping up the pressure even if they aren't in a commanding position. Edited 4 May 2018 by Guest
purpleronnie Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 Judging by the biased BBC coverage you'd have thought Labour had a disaster....guess that's to be expected though.
Rogstanley Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 4 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: The Conservatives would've won the GE outright if it was just held in England Cons 296 seats Lab/LD 235 seats Pointless stats I wouldn't say that's a pointless stat, it's quite interesting. The fact that labour won the election among people of working age certainly isn't pointless. It says that the very people who keep this country going - the workers - are dissatisfied with the current government, and that's a massive statement.
Rogstanley Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Foxin_mad said: Amongst the delusional 18-19, 20-24, 25-29 and 30-39 age groups maybe , they obviously were swung by comrade Corbyns promises of free stuff for the masses taken from the nasty rich bogey man. Of course results for the more sensible life experience 40-49 (56% against labour) and 50-59 ( 47% hello still working) are not supporting Labour party rule, the really wise people are ephatic! Even the 60-69 age group most are still working age. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/how-britain-voted-2017-general-election/ Lol bowling shane Labour beats Tory all the way up to age 49 and the Tories don't get a majority in any age group below 60, after which you are in decidely old codger territory. No amount of spin will change the fact that people of working age democratically expressed their desire to not have a Tory government. All this crap you peddle about the Tories being the party of working people is quite evidently not bought into by the working electorate. Edited 4 May 2018 by Rogstanley
Strokes Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 18 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: I wouldn't say that's a pointless stat, it's quite interesting. The fact that labour won the election among people of working age certainly isn't pointless. It says that the very people who keep this country going - the workers - are dissatisfied with the current government, and that's a massive statement. It also says that amongst the people who have seen very leftist government before, unanimously reject labour. 2
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 Labour did sweet f.a. They should have had a field day in these elections, and they completely failed,
Rogstanley Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 32 minutes ago, Strokes said: It also says that amongst the people who have seen very leftist government before, unanimously reject labour. Which "very leftist" government are you referring to?
Strokes Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 7 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Which "very leftist" government are you referring to? really?
Guest MattP Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, toddybad said: It's also only a year from a GE. You're trying too hard to spin this Matty. I don't know why. You don't work for the Tories and you aren't going to convince me. Neither party can take much away from last night. But it showed, according to that picture, that labour are keeping up the pressure even if they aren't in a commanding position. 2 hours ago, purpleronnie said: Judging by the biased BBC coverage you'd have thought Labour had a disaster....guess that's to be expected though. I'm not spinning anything - we have a shambolic Tory government and you lot are someone managing to lose to them in your heartlands. If you genuinely think that is keeping up the pressure then go for it, great night for Labour. @purpleronnie I thought you would have learnt from this two years ago, blaming biased BBC won't work, it won't change votes, you claimed Labour working class areas would vote Remain and BBC were covering that up Edited 4 May 2018 by MattP
Rogstanley Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 5 minutes ago, Strokes said: really? That was a genuine question yes.
Guest Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 1 hour ago, Strokes said: It also says that amongst the people who have seen very leftist government before, unanimously reject labour. What was very leftist about that government before? In comparison to the previous, for example? Or is it that politics lurched right AFTER that government?
Rogstanley Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 UK growth forecast slashed in response to Q1 results www.theguardian.com/business/2018/may/04/uk-growth-prediction-2018-scaled-back-by-thinktank-niesr
Claridge Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 Either party changes leaders, they will win the GE.Local election results were pretty poor for labour. Dump corbyn and thugmentum to stand a chance 1
Strokes Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 15 minutes ago, toddybad said: What was very leftist about that government before? In comparison to the previous, for example? Or is it that politics lurched right AFTER that government? Call it however you like, the point is the same however you dance around it.
Guest Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 4 minutes ago, Strokes said: Call it however you like, the point is the same however you dance around it. It is time to try something different though. The current model has effectively led to stagnation and growing inequality. The next generation don't stand a chance without change.
Rogstanley Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 6 minutes ago, Strokes said: Call it however you like, the point is the same however you dance around it. Which government are you referring to?
Strokes Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 2 minutes ago, Rogstanley said: Which government are you referring to? The winter of discontent....
Strokes Posted 4 May 2018 Posted 4 May 2018 4 minutes ago, toddybad said: It is time to try something different though. The current model has effectively led to stagnation and growing inequality. The next generation don't stand a chance without change. That depends if the alternative is any better, stagnation is better than decline and the older generation don’t trust a left wing government. 1
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