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Technology, Science and the Environment.

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6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

All of the galaxies in the background in such unreal clarity are the most amazing thing for me.

Agreed. I feel grateful to live at a time where photos like these could quite easily be taken for granted. I guess that could be said contextually across time though!

 

These sorts of pictures make me feel somewhat melancholy. So incredibly beautiful, but also gives me a sense of unease lol

 

 

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Just now, samlcfc said:

Agreed. I feel grateful to live at a time where photos like these could quite easily be taken for granted. I guess that could be said contextually across time though!

 

These sorts of pictures may me feel somewhat melancholy. So incredibly beautiful, but also make me feel kinda uneasy lol.

 

 

Absolutely!

 

Can certainly understand the depth of feeling when you see pictures like this - for me, gazing out into the black and seeing things out there like this makes me excited, rather than uneasy. There's so much to discover out there, and so many possibilities...

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I saw the below the other day.

 

James Webb Turns to Examine Planet Showing Potential Sign of Life

 

Regardless of whether this planet turns out to be a successful candidate in the search for extraterrestrial, in the same way we're getting all these amazing pictures and other data, it seems that the time for such a discovery could come up on us pretty fast.

 

What a day that will be, if there's anything out there at all....

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4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Absolutely!

 

Can certainly understand the depth of feeling when you see pictures like this - for me, gazing out into the black and seeing things out there like this makes me excited, rather than uneasy. There's so much to discover out there, and so many possibilities...

I often enjoy hearing about subjects that try and get at the nature of reality. I think the unease is me reflecting the 'why' factor in these sorts of pictures back at the human experience. If that makes any sense at all! It's for sure exciting as well.

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17 minutes ago, samlcfc said:

I saw the below the other day.

 

James Webb Turns to Examine Planet Showing Potential Sign of Life

 

Regardless of whether this planet turns out to be a successful candidate in the search for extraterrestrial, in the same way we're getting all these amazing pictures and other data, it seems that the time for such a discovery could come up on us pretty fast.

 

What a day that will be, if there's anything out there at all....

It would be the single most important discovery in the history of humanity, no less, imo.

 

That being said, I think the first step would be finding simple microbial life in our own Solar System, and I don't reckon that's too far away either.

 

 

10 minutes ago, samlcfc said:

I often enjoy hearing about subjects that try and get at the nature of reality. I think the unease is me reflecting the 'why' factor in these sorts of pictures back at the human experience. If that makes any sense at all! It's for sure exciting as well.

Yeah, I really get that. It does lead a person to examine their thoughts about the nature of it all.

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I was watching this earlier and as is mentioned during the video, it seems fairly relevant with regards to the concepts increasing mentions throughout popular culture.

 

Really enjoy this guys channel and as ever, he manages to put these ideas across in way which feels manageable to the layman.

 

Seems to touch slightly on the concept you replied to me with in the news thread also @Sampson

 

Not too long either, so doable within a lunchtime. Might give you a bit of an existential crisis for the afternoon though!

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On 23/05/2024 at 00:41, leicsmac said:

"Environmental dogma".

 

That's an interesting way of framing actually caring about the future of the biosphere and everything in it, I guess.

Not sure what your context is for this, but I do think some green types can be very short sighted.  Ie just because your aim is right, doesn't mean your approach necessarily is.  People are a funny bunch, and a lot of them we do the opposite of what you want if you try to tell them what to do, or that they are idiots, even when they should do it for myriad reasons and the are indeed idiots.

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6 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Not sure what your context is for this, but I do think some green types can be very short sighted.  Ie just because your aim is right, doesn't mean your approach necessarily is.  People are a funny bunch, and a lot of them we do the opposite of what you want if you try to tell them what to do, or that they are idiots, even when they should do it for myriad reasons and the are indeed idiots.

For full context, during his speech announcing the GE:

 

"We prioritise energy security and your family finances over environmental dogma in our approach to net zero."

 

"Energy security" - especially in the times right now where access to resources can be sometimes parlous - is just a buzzterm for relying on existing systems to benefit one's own corner of the Earth in the short term and no one else's. Not a viable survival strategy over the next few decades if someone actually likes human civilisation the way it is.

 

Of course short-term saving money and "protecting our way of life" sounds really good because a lot of people are feeling the pinch right now, but long term it dooms everyone - including all those people struggling now. What he calls "environmental dogma" is simply viewing the long term collaborative effort to actually stave off the worst humanitarian crisis since civilisation itself first existed for what it is and act accordingly.

 

I do get what you mean wrt human nature here and it's been said multiple times before, but as I've said multiple times before here too, the softly-softly approach and relying on the better angels of our nature and people to do the right thing has got us to where we are now - not good enough, not nearly good enough. Of course, the stick may well not work either for exactly the reasons you describe, but I'm not going to throw shade at people taking a more direct approach to this matter when the clock is ticking and with every tick the cost in money and lives to stave off very bad things gets higher.

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2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

For full context, during his speech announcing the GE:

 

"We prioritise energy security and your family finances over environmental dogma in our approach to net zero."

 

"Energy security" - especially in the times right now where access to resources can be sometimes parlous - is just a buzzterm for relying on existing systems to benefit one's own corner of the Earth in the short term and no one else's. Not a viable survival strategy over the next few decades if someone actually likes human civilisation the way it is.

 

Of course short-term saving money and "protecting our way of life" sounds really good because a lot of people are feeling the pinch right now, but long term it dooms everyone - including all those people struggling now. What he calls "environmental dogma" is simply viewing the long term collaborative effort to actually stave off the worst humanitarian crisis since civilisation itself first existed for what it is and act accordingly.

 

I do get what you mean wrt human nature here and it's been said multiple times before, but as I've said multiple times before here too, the softly-softly approach and relying on the better angels of our nature and people to do the right thing has got us to where we are now - not good enough, not nearly good enough. Of course, the stick may well not work either for exactly the reasons you describe, but I'm not going to throw shade at people taking a more direct approach to this matter when the clock is ticking and with every tick the cost in money and lives to stave off very bad things gets higher.

You cant expect people to put up with blackouts when the UK is creating such a small part of the worlds CO2 emissions.  People would be better focused on not buying things made in countries who are polluting - stop outsourcing our emissions to China and others, put pressure on retailers etc to source ethically.  

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6 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

You cant expect people to put up with blackouts when the UK is creating such a small part of the worlds CO2 emissions.  People would be better focused on not buying things made in countries who are polluting - stop outsourcing our emissions to China and others, put pressure on retailers etc to source ethically.  

I agree, but that is not happening from the powers that be either. The situation requires both transition in energy sourcing and pressure (such as can be applied) on other nations to follow suit. Selfish parochial focus on "energy security" won't save the UK from the consequences of what will follow should the whole world not do what needs to be done on this.

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