Guest Col city fan Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 To be honest I always thought that getting a degree was one of the most boring parts of Uni. I'd advocate anyone who can go to Uni..to go. Embrace it, enjoy it, play football, get pissed, make some brilliant mates, meet your mrs to be, be adventurous, join the debating society....be proud of your achievements. What you must not do is go to Uni and watch it all pass you by because you don't have a clue what you want to do nor the motivation to do it. Make it mean something. Then it's worth it. If you see it in purely financial terms then a. You're just boring and b. You've missed the point of it.
Countryfox Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 3 minutes ago, Col city fan said: play football, get pissed, make some brilliant mates ... Spot on Col !
leicesterlad1989 Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Going to Uni is all dependant on the course you take in my opinion. There are far too many bullshit courses. I am probably going to upset a few people here but going to Uni and doing art?! Doesn't make any sense to me. It's very expensive debt to come out with, when you are pretty much a glorified painter and decorator at the end of it. I am sure there's more to it but that's based on a family member who has been to Uni and took art. Too many people appear to attend because they don't know what else to do. As it's been mentioned previously, when at school it was pretty much forced on a lot of people that University is the only place to go. A lot of teachers were disappointed to find out that I didn't go to University when I went back years later. Funnily enough I am about to convert my HND in Engineering to a degree, studying day release. I am in a fortunate position where I was promoted from within my company and they are going to fund my studies. They have paid for my HNC & HND so far. I have always been far to hands on to sit in lectures daily so this route is perfect for me. I know not everyone has the same opportunity I have but being a student isn't the be all and end all.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 48 minutes ago, Harry96 said: Would anyone recommend doing a sports degree. Would love to work in football as a sports nutritionist. I would. I went to uni after failing pretty miserably at school, I hated learning, couldn't do well in exams and just spent the majority of my time waiting for break, lunch, PE or home. Went to college to study a diploma in sports where I enjoyed the style of learning more as it was more practical and applied. Started at Hallam in 2011 on a course in Sports Science, mixed my 3 years with socialising, studying and gaining practical experience. I did another 2 years as postgraduate student on an Applied Sport Science course. I've now got a Masters which if you had told any of my teachers of myself that 10 years ago we would all have laughed. I'm working in the profession I love as a Strength and Conditioning coach, with what I believe is a fairly strong CV for someone who is four years into the profession. I've worked within American and English universities, supported a team going to the 2014 commonwealth games, worked in non-league and league football (one of my first internships had me working with one of our current first team players), travelled Europe with a Cycling Team and I have one of the best nutritionists in football as a reference on my CV. My point is that at school all the stuff I wanted to do I could only dream of, however university provided me with the right connections and opportunities and the past 4 years have been incredible. Ultimately a lot of people were on my course and haven't had these same experiences, none of my closest group of mates from University are doing anything remotely related to our degree. So yes I recommend doing a sports degree, but make sure your willing to graft stick at it and do all you can to get that opportunity.
Countryfox Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 On 8/22/2017 at 18:55, GaelicFox said: The cost of courses will soon rise , the amount of useless courses continues to rise , and strangely the demand to go to uni seems to be on the rise but the hard fact is the rewards in lifetime pay averages are narrowing dramatically between those that went to uni and those that didn't. I actually feel strongly that that current system is a cash cow for the boards and management of our Universities who are rewarded fortunes in pay and perks I genuinely believe that our young people are being conned into believing that university offers them a gateway to bettering themselves ....... I also believe the student loan system (with crazy high interest rates) is nothing more than a tax I Would love to hear from people who have attended uni and today do not use that degree for thier job .... Did you go mate ? ... get a degree ? ... did it help you ? ...
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Of course, regarding the OP who I think said they are off to Cambridge ( I'm jealous btw cos I never got into Magdalen at Cambridge) the old adage 'it's not what you know it's who you know' will be very very true in this instance. Sod the degree..make some connections, get into some social circles and meet some people with influence. You'll not get a better chance ever.
Nick Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 There's a lot of people in here placing value of a university degree directly in relation to how they value subject areas - some in terms of earning power of professions and others in relation to how they view the worthiness of a field of study. I've always thought that philosophy or latin or media studies or sociology or art are amazing things to study with untold value both economic and in personal reward - but apparently a degree is only worth it if its law or medicine? Wow, that's such horse crap. What can be a waste is going to study subjects and not apply yourself - not come away a better versions of oneself, this goes for those people studying any subject and not applying themselves to an extent they come away with a degree result that reflects their application rather than their ability - then it can become a waste. If you are gonna go, work hard, play hard. If you do this, you'll come away with the ability to critically think and reflect within your chosen discipline to a depth which was previously not possible, applying this both to theory and practice, changing the way you see and work with the world forever.
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Just now, Swan Lesta said: There's a lot of people in here placing value of a university degree directly in relation to how they value subject areas - some in terms of earning power of professions and others in relation to how they view the worthiness of a field of study. I've always thought that philosophy or latin or media studies or sociology or art are amazing things to study with untold value both economic and in personal reward - but apparently a degree is only worth it if its law or medicine? Wow, that's such horse crap. What can be a waste is going to study subjects and not apply yourself - not come away a better versions of oneself, this goes for those people studying any subject and not applying themselves to an extent they come away with a degree result that reflects their application rather than their ability - then it can become a waste. If you are gonna go, work hard, play hard. If you do this, you'll come away with the ability to critically think and reflect within your chosen discipline to a depth which was previously not possible, applying this both to theory and practice, changing the way you see and work with the world forever.
Wymsey Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Is the Open University a reputable organisation to undertake studying with?
Nick Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 minute ago, Wymeswold fox said: Is the Open University a reputable organisation to undertake studying with? Yes. Its hard work though as without the regular face to face contact it effects their student retention rates... (Lots drop out and don't finish their studies - its the sad nature of the distance learning beast)
Merging Cultures Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Is the Open University a reputable organisation to undertake studying with?Yes. Distance learning, especially while working, is well regarded. It requires a significant amount of commitment to complete a course.
Merging Cultures Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 There's a lot of people in here placing value of a university degree directly in relation to how they value subject areas - some in terms of earning power of professions and others in relation to how they view the worthiness of a field of study. I've always thought that philosophy or latin or media studies or sociology or art are amazing things to study with untold value both economic and in personal reward - but apparently a degree is only worth it if its law or medicine? Wow, that's such horse crap. What can be a waste is going to study subjects and not apply yourself - not come away a better versions of oneself, this goes for those people studying any subject and not applying themselves to an extent they come away with a degree result that reflects their application rather than their ability - then it can become a waste. If you are gonna go, work hard, play hard. If you do this, you'll come away with the ability to critically think and reflect within your chosen discipline to a depth which was previously not possible, applying this both to theory and practice, changing the way you see and work with the world forever. I agree re Philosophy, Latin and Art... It is the study of these types of things that help elevate us as a civilization.Not sure about media studies though.
David Guiza Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 The opinion on the worth, or lack of, of art subjects is quite sad and I fear the longer the T*ries stay in power the more arts subject will be pushed out of mainstream education and replaced by extra core subjects. The desire to suppress flair and talent in the arts is sad and has ramifications far reaching. You think about every single tv programme, film you watch or radio show, podcast listen too and book read all involve hundreds of people who undoubtedly have an arts related education background. There seems to be an almost desperation for a conveyor belt of doctors, nurses, businessmen/women etc and screw the rest. Of course the former are important, but it is things like the arts that make us the advanced nation that we are.
leicsmac Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 minute ago, David Guiza said: The opinion on the worth, or lack of, of art subjects is quite sad and I fear the longer the T*ries stay in power the more arts subject will be pushed out of mainstream education and replaced by extra core subjects. The desire to suppress flair and talent in the arts is sad and has ramifications far reaching. You think about every single tv programme, film you watch or radio show, podcast listen too and book read all involve hundreds of people who undoubtedly have an arts related education background. There seems to be an almost desperation for the a conveyor belt of doctors, nurses, business men/women etc and screw the rest. Of course the former are important, but it is things like the arts that make us the advanced nation that we are. You know something, I've got to disagree here. The arts have been valued very highly within the UK establishment for a very long time, sometimes at the expense of STEM, and the Tories are very representative of that establishment - consider, for example, how many people of influence in the UK (in the Cabinet right now, for instance) have degrees in an art rather than a science? Perhaps that's due to the person themselves rather than the course they decide to take, but... Famous artists/actors etc get revered. Good scientists get a shed at the bottom of the garden and second-guessed by Internet tinfoil hat wearers 24/7.
Nick Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 9 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said: I agree re Philosophy, Latin and Art... It is the study of these types of things that help elevate us as a civilization. Not sure about media studies though. Media Studies provides critical thinking around every picture or text that you'll ever see - never again will you be able to look at something without honing down on the Institution it came from, the mass media associations its a part of, the audience it was intended for, the generic conventions employed and the ideology which underpins the narrative - then consider who is being represented, by whom and for what reasons and apply to known theoretical and practical philosophy. It doesn't matter what you study as the theory and philosophical study narrates it all. I love media studies and advertising may well be the most incredible art form ever practiced.
Merging Cultures Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Media Studies provides critical thinking around every picture or text that you'll ever see - never again will you be able to look at something without honing down on the Institution it came from, the mass media associations its a part of, the audience it was intended for, the generic conventions employed and the ideology which underpins the narrative - then consider who is being represented, by whom and for what reasons and apply to known theoretical and practical philosophy. It doesn't matter what you study as the theory and philosophical study narrates it all. I love media studies and advertising may well be the most incredible art form ever practiced.Was that your final dissertation?!I kid. You make good points.
Nick Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Just now, Merging Cultures said: Was that your final dissertation?! I kid. You make good points. Not my subject area - and honestly thats A level analytical framework.... I just use it as a tool in some of my teaching in crime and the media IMAGIN R....
Merging Cultures Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Not my subject area - and honestly thats A level analytical framework.... I just use it as a tool in some of my teaching in crime and the media IMAGIN R.... You're a teacher?!
Nick Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Just now, Merging Cultures said: 1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said: Not my subject area - and honestly thats A level analytical framework.... I just use it as a tool in some of my teaching in crime and the media IMAGIN R.... You're a teacher?! Senior Lecturer of 10 years...
Merging Cultures Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 8 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: Senior Lecturer of 10 years... Good on you.
Nick Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Just now, Merging Cultures said: Good on you. I spent a decade before that in practice and am now just setting up as a consultant - hard work though!
Merging Cultures Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 Just now, Swan Lesta said: I spent a decade before that in practice and am now just setting up as a consultant - hard work though! My Dad keeps saying I should 'come back to Leicester and lecture in international development', I'd be fired for either punching a spotty teenager or perving on a 21 year old blonde.
David Guiza Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 15 minutes ago, leicsmac said: You know something, I've got to disagree here. The arts have been valued very highly within the UK establishment for a very long time, sometimes at the expense of STEM, and the Tories are very representative of that establishment - consider, for example, how many people of influence in the UK (in the Cabinet right now, for instance) have degrees in an art rather than a science? Perhaps that's due to the person themselves rather than the course they decide to take, but... Famous artists/actors etc get revered. Good scientists get a shed at the bottom of the garden and second-guessed by Internet tinfoil hat wearers 24/7. I definitely agree with you in respect of the astonishing lack of plaudits and focus science receive in popular culture, you seemingly have to be Brian Cox to get anywhere. However, I don't believe the arts is the cause of that. I am a firm believer that the cabinet should be made up of varying degrees of educational background, it's bizarre that mp's can just be moved from one area to another without the necessity for expertise on that subject. In some respects, however, the fact that the government does contain so many graduates of art subjects shows the importance. They are living proof of their success (or lack of I guess!). Yet people like Nicky Morgan will continue with the rhetoric of the redundancy of arts subjects whilst seemingly not realising her peers benefited from the same. The arts can create utter nonsense and can be a waste of money, time and effort (see ITV2 for examples), however it also helps shape society on both sides of the political sphere.
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 1 hour ago, Swan Lesta said: Senior Lecturer of 10 years... Bloody Hell Nick I didn't expect that! To be fair, id always imagined you like this....:
Nick Posted 24 August 2017 Posted 24 August 2017 7 minutes ago, Col city fan said: Bloody Hell Nick I didn't expect that! To be fair, id always imagined you like this....: I think I said the last time you posted that, that I said I'd never wear a necklace like that?
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