Is Attending University the great Con of our time ?

[Guest Col city fan]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

I think I said the last time you posted that, that I said I'd never wear a necklace like that?

Oh for fooks sake! Sorry mate I'm being terribly boring! Give me a minute or two then look up...

Edit...there ya go

 

[Merging Cultures]

22 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Bloody Hell Nick I didn't expect that!

To be fair, id always imagined you like this....:

 

 

That's @Wymeswold fox

[Merging Cultures]

I am having a serious case of deja vous. I am pretty sure we've had the near exact conversation sometime back.

[GaelicFox]

9 hours ago, Countryfox said:

 

Did you go mate ? ...   get a degree ? ...   did it help you ? ...

Yes 

yes 

NO 

 

but I was lucky I recieved a stipe/bursery and left if no debt 

 

id be pig sick to have £40k worth of debt for it now 

[Izzy]

Uni seems like a lot of money just to give people a better chance of getting a job. And we all know what JOB stands for - Just Over Broke.

 

I'd rather my kids learn how to start their own business instead, so that's what I'll be teaching them.

 

If they decide to go down the Uni route then I'll fully support them, but it doesn't always guarantee you success in my experience. I'm not sure it's worth the return on investment in most cases.

 

Each to their own and I can understand it if people want to be Doctors or Lawyers etc. but degrees seem to be less valuable these days than they did 20/30 years ago.

 

But I'm quite bias towards getting a job and working your way up through experience as that's the route I took. Although I do regret missing out on the Uni 'experience' of getting pissed/laid/stoned on a regular basis. 

 

Even with my kids being only 8 & 11 years old, I'm already putting money aside to help them get on the property ladder ASAP. I don't want them living at home with us in their 30's FFS. The thought of them each having £40k worth of Uni debt doesn't appeal, but it's ultimately up to them really.

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

Uni seems like a lot of money just to give people a better chance of getting a job. And we all know what JOB stands for - Just Over Broke.

 

I'd rather my kids learn how to start their own business instead, so that's what I'll be teaching them.

 

If they decide to go down the Uni route then I'll fully support them, but it doesn't always guarantee you success in my experience. I'm not sure it's worth the return on investment in most cases.

 

Each to their own and I can understand it if people want to be Doctors or Lawyers etc. but degrees seem to be less valuable these days than they did 20/30 years ago.

 

But I'm quite bias towards getting a job and working your way up through experience as that's the route I took. Although I do regret missing out on the Uni 'experience' of getting pissed/laid/stoned on a regular basis. 

 

Even with my kids being only 8 & 11 years old, I'm already putting money aside to help them get on the property ladder ASAP. I don't want them living at home with us in their 30's FFS. The thought of them each having £40k worth of Uni debt doesn't appeal, but it's ultimately up to them really.

Trouble is, degrees are less valuable in the sense that half of school leavers have them now (or getting close I'd imagine) and you can't guarantee a decent job anymore BUT there are loads of jobs - like working in bloody HR for instance - where you can't even get low down the ladder without one. The whole system between education, public sector and industry is fvckd imo. 

[Izzy]

4 minutes ago, toddybad said:

Trouble is, degrees are less valuable in the sense that half of school leavers have them now (or getting close I'd imagine) and you can't guarantee a decent job anymore BUT there are loads of jobs - like working in bloody HR for instance - where you can't even get low down the ladder without one. The whole system between education, public sector and industry is fvckd imo. 

When my old man got his degree in 1970, he was one of about 50,000 who did. I read the number these days is nearly 400,000 

 

And don't get me started on HR  My own coach/mentor is just about to release a book called Corporate Emotional Intelligence and he's devoted an entire chapter to why corporates don't need an HR function because they're more trouble than they're worth. I'll post a link as soon as it's available on Amazon...

 

 

[bovril]

This gets discussed all the time but it's incredible how many people still think the only point of education is to help people get a job.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, bovril said:

This gets discussed all the time but it's incredible how many people still think the only point of education is to help people get a job.

That's what happens when the value of everything is measured in pound notes.

[Carl the Llama]

Just now, toddybad said:

That's what happens when the value of everything is measured in pound notes.

Oh come on that's simply not true.

 

 

It's also measured in euros, dollars, yen, renmibi, kroner, rupees, pula, kwacha, colons etc.  

[bovril]

15 minutes ago, toddybad said:

That's what happens when the value of everything is measured in pound notes.

Alright Dyche. 

[ScouseFox]

10 hours ago, bovril said:

This gets discussed all the time but it's incredible how many people still think the only point of education is to help people get a job.

kinda get what you're saying but you can do most the "uni experience" without paying 9 grand a year. 

 

move out, move into a shared house if you want, move cities. you're still a 19/20 year old with all the freedom you want, you can still go out all the time, can still get drunk, goose who you want and make new mates and a new life for yourself, you just get up and go to work and get paid instead of paying to stay in bed and miss lectures. 

 

you get told to go to uni so people go. that's fine, but there are many other ways to explore the world and to educate yourself (and get a job if you want). 

[bovril]

1 hour ago, ScouseFox said:

kinda get what you're saying but you can do most the "uni experience" without paying 9 grand a year. 

 

move out, move into a shared house if you want, move cities. you're still a 19/20 year old with all the freedom you want, you can still go out all the time, can still get drunk, goose who you want and make new mates and a new life for yourself, you just get up and go to work and get paid instead of paying to stay in bed and miss lectures. 

 

you get told to go to uni so people go. that's fine, but there are many other ways to explore the world and to educate yourself (and get a job if you want). 

Completely agree with your last paragraph. And I really resented being told by family and teachers that I had to go. I know plenty of people who didn't go to Uni who are better educated than I am.

 

I just really really hate this very English attitude that the point of higher education is to help you get a well paid job. An educated society is, by and large, a successful one. I'll encourage my kids to study something they're interested in, not something that might potentially pay well.

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, bovril said:

Completely agree with your last paragraph. And I really resented being told by family and teachers that I had to go. I know plenty of people who didn't go to Uni who are better educated than I am.

 

I just really really hate this very English attitude that the point of higher education is to help you get a well paid job. An educated society is, by and large, a successful one. I'll encourage my kids to study something they're interested in, not something that might potentially pay well.

All those self employed people that claim every family member works for them, every meal they have is for a business meeting and every penny paid in cash doesn't exist will be complaining that their hard earned taxes shouldn't be spent on your children's education. 

[MPH]

I wouldnt call it a great Con, but we would be  wrong to tell people that it is the ONLY way to get a decent living

[Merging Cultures]

Oh come on that's simply not true.
kwacha [emoji4] 

That one is just made up?!!

[foxile5]

It became a con as soon as drama became a viable option. What a waste of time subject. Sticking that travesty on the option list was a move to get the unintelligent through the doors and paying. It paved the way for all the psuedo-courses that are milking students dry. 

 

Universities should teach English, Maths and Science. 

[bovril]

On 24/08/2017 at 20:44, GaelicFox said:

Yes 

yes 

NO

If university didn't help you that's your fault. 

[Carl the Llama]

4 hours ago, Merging Cultures said:

 

 

That one is just made up?!!

 

Oops, then I've ripped a lot of Livingstone's market vendors off 

[Strokes]

On 25/08/2017 at 12:36, toddybad said:

All those self employed people that claim every family member works for them, every meal they have is for a business meeting and every penny paid in cash doesn't exist will be complaining that their hard earned taxes shouldn't be spent on your children's education. 

A nice bit of generalisation from the faux caring leftie.

[VLC86]

On 22/08/2017 at 19:03, theessexfox said:

Studying social anthropology is also something I've never been able to do and really appeals to me.

Is that about, like Ants that go out for cheeky Nando's with the lads and stuff?

[The Fox Covert]

Not all students go to university with the prospect of half a lifetime of debt to pay off their student loan.

Some are so loaded they have money to burn!

The Evening Standard reports on a Ronald Coyne, by the looks of things a right obnoxious little get

'Cambridge student who taunted homeless man by burning £20 note returns to college after apology letter'

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/cambridge-student-who-taunted-homeless-man-by-burning-£20-note-returns-to-college-after-apology-letter/ar-AAr4oPY

 

Burning a £20 note in front of a homeless person has long been one of the initiation rites of the infamous Bullingdon club, based at Oxford University.

Some of its' more former members include David Cameron, George Osborne and Boris Johnson.

I didn't know they had their imitators elsewhere, but it looks like they do.

[Captain...]

On 8/25/2017 at 10:24, ScouseFox said:

kinda get what you're saying but you can do most the "uni experience" without paying 9 grand a year. 

 

move out, move into a shared house if you want, move cities. you're still a 19/20 year old with all the freedom you want, you can still go out all the time, can still get drunk, goose who you want and make new mates and a new life for yourself, you just get up and go to work and get paid instead of paying to stay in bed and miss lectures. 

 

you get told to go to uni so people go. that's fine, but there are many other ways to explore the world and to educate yourself (and get a job if you want). 

I don't think you do get what he is saying, he isn't talking about the uni experience, but about actually educating yourself, furthering your knowledge in a subject for no other reason than academic interest. Taking an interest in things and having the opportunity and resources to explore and develop ideas and do experiments that go beyond the financial constraints of having to justify your time with money.

 

Admittedly I didn't  do any of that, but that is what University should be there for, to further the breadth and depth of knowledge of mankind.

[ScouseFox]

44 minutes ago, Captain... said:

I don't think you do get what he is saying, he isn't talking about the uni experience, but about actually educating yourself, furthering your knowledge in a subject for no other reason than academic interest. Taking an interest in things and having the opportunity and resources to explore and develop ideas and do experiments that go beyond the financial constraints of having to justify your time with money.

 

Admittedly I didn't  do any of that, but that is what University should be there for, to further the breadth and depth of knowledge of mankind.

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