Sickening Hate Crime In Leicester

[GaelicFox]

This is a shocker 

 

and also why is this hate crime and NOT Terrorism ??? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/27/muslim-woman-hit-by-car-in-leicester-was-hate-victim-police-say

[Guest the fox]

"so, a terrorist is running people down and i'm so outraged so, you know what i will do, i will try to hit a women and a 12 year old girl with my car. because......logic!"

an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind, people!

[Guest the fox]

8 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

This is a shocker 

 

and also why is this hate crime and NOT Terrorism ??? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/27/muslim-woman-hit-by-car-in-leicester-was-hate-victim-police-say

oh well, it is better than "mentally unstable" or "a lone wolf"
that's progress i guess

[urban.spaceman]

The law is weird and definitions of crime aren't always consistent.

 

Take these two for example:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-leicestershire-40276934/pedestrians-mowed-down-in-leicester-van-attack

 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/moment-teenager-mowed-down-pedestrians-637031

 

Also, it's weird how some such attacks get coverage in certain national news outlets while some don't.

 

The message should just be: don't behave like a cvnt.

[Fox92]

48 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

This is a shocker 

 

and also why is this hate crime and NOT Terrorism ??? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/27/muslim-woman-hit-by-car-in-leicester-was-hate-victim-police-say

Terrorism would be for a political cause.

 

This is just hatred. 

[GaelicFox]

6 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Terrorism would be for a political cause.

 

This is just hatred. 

ISIS have no political cause it’s about a religious cause , and wanting to crush the western way of life and Christianity and a sectarian hatred of Shia Muslims 

 

this is also an attack on the western way of like and it’s agaist a religious entity and it’s aim is strike fear into a whole group of people , to terrorise them ... 

 

for me its terrorism 

[SheppyFox]

What a nasty piece of shit, like that would accomplish anything anyway.

[The Doctor]

25 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

ISIS have no political cause it’s about a religious cause , and wanting to crush the western way of life and Christianity and a sectarian hatred of Shia Muslims 

 

this is also an attack on the western way of like and it’s agaist a religious entity and it’s aim is strike fear into a whole group of people , to terrorise them ... 

 

for me its terrorism 

Establishment of a religious based state would still be a political cause tbf

[Parafox]

40 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Establishment of a religious based state would still be a political cause tbf

You mean like The Vatican?

[The Doctor]

Just now, Parafox said:

You mean like The Vatican?

Must have missed the point where the Vatican carried out attacks on other nations in addition to a brutal expansion campaign...

[GaelicFox]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Must have missed the point where the Vatican carried out attacks on other nations in addition to a brutal expansion campaign...

Guys like that have a Bigoted hatred of all Catholics , I even saw a glasgow ex-rangers flag with lee rigby (rip) written on it , the ironic thing is Lee Rigby was a practicing Catholic and would have as been welcomed at Ibrox  as a papal visit would be  

[Parafox]

15 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Must have missed the point where the Vatican carried out attacks on other nations in addition to a brutal expansion campaign...

Your statement was "Establishment of a religious based state would still be a political cause tbf".

The Vatican is a religious based state regardless. Is it political? Of course it is.

You can't make a statement like that and not be challenged on it.

[Innovindil]

Dickhead. Never mind throwing the book at him, I hope they repeatedly smash him over the head with it. 

[Parafox]

15 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

Guys like that have a Bigoted hatred of all Catholics , I even saw a glasgow ex-rangers flag with lee rigby (rip) written on it , the ironic thing is Lee Rigby was a practicing Catholic and would have as been welcomed at Ibrox  as a papal visit would be  

How do you know what religious belief I hold?

 

I guess you meant the perpetrator, not me. Apologies

[The Doctor]

Just now, Parafox said:

Your statement was "Establishment of a religious based state would still be a political cause tbf".

The Vatican is a religious based state regardless. Is it political? Of course it is.

You can't make a statement like that and not be challenged on it.

Not exactly sure what you're challenging though... Establishment of a state based on religious law is political as well as religious, that's not really something you can argue with.

[Parafox]

5 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

bit Not exactly sure what you're challenging though... Establishment of a state based on religious law is political as well as religious, that's not really something you can argue with.

So why make the sarcastic remark about "Must have missed the point where the Vatican... etc"?

 

What's the political agenda behind the Vatican then?

 

Of course there is a political reason for any state to exist. The Vatican is as political as it is religious. It will seek to extend it's influence by whatever means it needs apart from war or violence.

[Buce]

30 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Must have missed the point where the Vatican carried out attacks on other nations in addition to a brutal expansion campaign...

[The Doctor]

6 minutes ago, Parafox said:

So why make the sarcastic remark about "Must have missed the point where the Vatican... etc"?

 

What's the political agenda behind the Vatican then?

 

Of course there is a political reason for any state to exist. The Vatican is as political as it is religious. It will seek to extend it's influence by whatever means it needs apart from war or violence.

Because the point was on terrorism and whether IS fitted the "terrorism has to have a political motive" suggestion... As far as I'm aware the Vatican isn't currently engaging in terrorism.

[Dr The Singh]

4 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Because the point was on terrorism and whether IS fitted the "terrorism has to have a political motive" suggestion... As far as I'm aware the Vatican isn't currently engaging in terrorism.

The fact that the Vatican folk keep on telling me cus I'm not a xtrian, I'm going to hell, terrorises me? 

[Parafox]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

Because the point was on terrorism and whether IS fitted the "terrorism has to have a political motive" suggestion... As far as I'm aware the Vatican isn't currently engaging in terrorism.

OK, then I agree that terrorism has to have a political motive as much as an ideological one. They go hand in hand. Conflict has always had both as a reason to go to war.

 

Maybe The Vatican is the only secular state that doesn't engage in armed conflict in these modern times.

 

It's not always been the case: 

 

Wars of the Papacy and the Papal States—From the Middle Ages to the birth of the modern Italian State in the 1870s, the men who served as the leaders of the Catholic Church held not only a spiritual and religious authority, but also a very real and temporal political and military power as the rulers and princes of a unique European state known as the Papal States. As rulers engaged in geopolitical and military disputes, coalitions, and negotiations, the Popes also waged war, signed treaties, and took part in all of the intrigue associated with European princes and kings of that time period.

 

Maybe a little off topic, sorry. 

 

[Dr The Singh]

1 minute ago, Parafox said:

OK, then I agree that terrorism has to have a political motive as much as an ideological one. They go hand in hand. Conflict has always had both as a reason to go to war.

 

Maybe The Vatican is the only secular state that doesn't engage in armed conflict in these modern times.

 

It's not always been the case: 

 

Wars of the Papacy and the Papal States—From the Middle Ages to the birth of the modern Italian State in the 1870s, the men who served as the leaders of the Catholic Church held not only a spiritual and religious authority, but also a very real and temporal political and military power as the rulers and princes of a unique European state known as the Papal States. As rulers engaged in geopolitical and military disputes, coalitions, and negotiations, the Popes also waged war, signed treaties, and took part in all of the intrigue associated with European princes and kings of that time period.

 

Maybe a little off topic, sorry. 

 

Jesus the prophet of the Vatican would have approved, the only war he was into was the local carpenter championship or water to wine competition, which he always won

[Parafox]

5 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

The fact that the Vatican folk keep on telling me cus I'm not a xtrian, I'm going to hell, terrorises me? 

Subjugation by fear of the illogical outcome of not being accepted by a heaven or a God. 

 

Do as your told or you go to hell.

 

Really?

[Trav Le Bleu]

17 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Must have missed the point where the Vatican carried out attacks on other nations in addition to a brutal expansion campaign...

Crusades?

 

Sure, a long time ago, but certainly Vatican sanctioned, in fact, commissioned, attacks on other nations.

[The Doctor]

50 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Crusades?

 

Sure, a long time ago, but certainly Vatican sanctioned, in fact, commissioned, attacks on other nations.

My history isn't great, but wasn't that more a war between the holy Roman empire and the ottoman empire? 

[DatfoxesKid23]

google definition of terrorist act 

Type of: act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. coup de main, surprise attack.