Albrighton's red card

[duk3nuk3m]

Not sure if this has even been discussed, but should it have even been a straight red card?

 

Albrighton did stupidly drag Zaha down and was the last man, but did he prevent a goal scoring opportunity? To me, no. It looked as though Hamer was easily going to get to the ball ahead of Zaha.

 

Very harsh red card for me, should have been a yellow.

[Lovejoy]

Red every day of the week.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Who bloody knows 

 

Remember Kompany on Vardy earlier in the year? PL refs make it up as they go along and you have no idea what decision they’re going to make next 

[urban.spaceman]

Red for me. Harsh, yes. But the striker was on his way and it was a clear goalscoring opportunity. 

 

The sad thing is Marc really isn't that sort of player. But he's also not a right back and shouldn't have been in that situation in the first place. 

[duk3nuk3m]

3 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

Red every day of the week.

Based on what?

 

It was a blatant foul every day of the week, but Hamer was getting to the ball before Zaha therefore it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity.

[Aus Fox]

The problem is refereeing is so inconsistent, I have no idea anymore what is a correct or incorrect decision.

[Lovejoy]

1 minute ago, duk3nuk3m said:

Based on what?

 

It was a blatant foul every day of the week, but Hamer was getting to the ball before Zaha therefore it wasn't a goal scoring opportunity.

Are you certain? Because I don't think it was that clear cut and after the short backpass, Albrighton has deliberately held Zaha back with no intention of playing the ball. It pains me to say it, but I agree with Mike Dean.

[duk3nuk3m]

4 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

Are you certain? Because I don't think it was that clear cut and after the short backpass, Albrighton has deliberately held Zaha back with no intention of playing the ball. It pains me to say it, but I agree with Mike Dean.

Before dragging him down, Albrighton did play the ball backwards and used his body to stop Zaha running through on goal. It was only as Albrighton was going down, he then dragged Zaha down with him, committing the foul.

 

It definitely looks clear cut to me that Zaha was never going to get there before Hamer. I can see why Mike Dean gave it, but surely there were grounds for appeal.

[Finnegan]

24 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Who bloody knows 

 

Remember Kompany on Vardy earlier in the year? PL refs make it up as they go along and you have no idea what decision they’re going to make next 

 

That was completely disgraceful. 

 

Kompany should have walked. Ref bottled it because it was so early in the game tbh. 

[treer]

Nowhere near as much opportunity for a goal, as when Kompany stopped Vardy, but Leicester were not a big club at home.

[Lovejoy]

3 minutes ago, duk3nuk3m said:

Before dragging him down, Albrighton did play the ball backwards and used his body to stop Zaha running through on goal. It was only as Albrighton was going down, he then dragged Zaha down with him, committing the foul.

 

It definitely looks clear cut to me that Zaha was never going to get there before Hamer. I can see why Mike Dean gave it, but surely there were grounds for appeal.

We'll agree to disagree .

 

I suspect the appeal will scuppered by the additional charge of his reaction to the ref afterwards, as they're talking about an additional game.

[duk3nuk3m]

Watch from 2:30 on this video.

 

Stupid foul but not a red.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

45 minutes ago, Lovejoy said:

Red every day of the week.

This. It was so blatantly a red card I can't see how anyone can argue otherwise. Imagine if it were the other way around and it was given as a yellow  

[duk3nuk3m]

18 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

This. It was so blatantly a red card I can't see how anyone can argue otherwise. Imagine if it were the other way around and it was given as a yellow  

I fail to see how it is a clear goalscoring opportunity.

 

Yes, Albrighton deliberately brought him down as the last man, but he has to have "denied a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity", committed "serious foul play" or "violent conduct" for Albrighton to be given a red card in that situation. A yellow, in my opinion, would have been the correct outcome. 

 

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct)

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
• denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
• serious foul play
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• violent conduct
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match

Edited 2 May 2018 by duk3nuk3m

[Sol thewall Bamba]

4 minutes ago, duk3nuk3m said:

I fail to see how it is a clear goalscoring opportunity.

 

Yes, Albrighton deliberately brought him down as the last man, but he has to have "denied a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity", committed "serious foul play" or "violent conduct" for Albrighton to be given a red card in that situation. A yellow, in my opinion, would have been the correct outcome. 

 

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES (http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct)

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
• denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
• serious foul play
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• violent conduct
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match

If MA wasn't there, Zaha is through on goal. Yes he has to run another 20 yards or so but it's a clear goal-scoring opportunity, just like Kompany on Vardy was earlier this season. 

[duk3nuk3m]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

If MA wasn't there, Zaha is through on goal. Yes he has to run another 20 yards or so but it's a clear goal-scoring opportunity, just like Kompany on Vardy was earlier this season. 

That's irrelevant. MA is there and gets a touch to the ball without committing a foul before then pulling Zaha down. Zaha isn't through on goal after MA touches the ball.

 

Also, Hamer gets to the ball near the edge of his penalty area. If he was on his line, then I'd agree with you that Zaha would have got to the ball before Hamer.

Edited 2 May 2018 by duk3nuk3m

[Donut]

Albrighton used a rugby tackle to stop a player running in on our goal, and we think it was a harsh red card?

 

I suppose by the time Albrighton had stopped wading through treacle he could have caught Zaha up. That's a distinct possibility.

 

Alternatively, you could always play the ball and then take up your free opportunity to make a rugby tackle.

 

Either is good.

Edited 2 May 2018 by Donut

[Sol thewall Bamba]

8 minutes ago, duk3nuk3m said:

That's irrelevant. MA is there and gets a touch to the ball without committing a foul before then pulling Zaha down. Zaha isn't through on goal after MA touches the ball.

 

Also, Hamer gets to the ball near the edge of his penalty area. If he was on his line, then I'd agree with you that Zaha would have got to the ball before Hamer.

You've admitted there that MA pulls him down as the last man, and that Zaha would get to the ball before Hamer.

 

It's irrelevant anyway, we were never getting anything out of the game even with 11 men, and Albrighton has been muck for weeks so probably best if he sits a few out.

[duk3nuk3m]

4 minutes ago, Donut said:

Albrighton used a rugby tackle to stop a player running in on our goal, and we think it was a harsh red card?

 

I suppose by the time Albrighton had stopped wading through treacle he could have caught Zaha up. That's a distinct possibility.

 

Alternatively, you could always play the ball and then take up your free opportunity to make a rugby tackle.

 

Either is good.

I'm not saying it wasn't a blatant foul, I'm questioning why it was a straight red card.

 

From looking at The FA laws and rules, MA's so-called "rugby tackle" isn't violent conduct, it isn't serious foul play (you see players dragged down like that all the time to stop a counter attack without being sent off) and I don't believe it was denying Zaha an obvious goalscoring opportunity.

[duk3nuk3m]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

You've admitted there that MA pulls him down as the last man, and that Zaha would get to the ball before Hamer.

 

It's irrelevant anyway, we were never getting anything out of the game even with 11 men, and Albrighton has been muck for weeks so probably best if he sits a few out.

Yes, MA was the last man but that in itself doesn't constitute a red card offence.

 

I never said Zaha would get there ahead of Hamer. What I did say was that, had Hamer stayed instead of coming for the ball and picking it up near the edge of his box, then Zaha would have been clear favourite. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 minutes ago, duk3nuk3m said:

Yes, MA was the last man but that in itself doesn't constitute a red card offence.

 

I never said Zaha would get there ahead of Hamer. What I did say was that, had Hamer stayed instead of coming for the ball and picking it up near the edge of his box, then Zaha would have been clear favourite. 

OK, as Lovejoy said let's agree to disagree as I'm not really that bothered about it, season's over in any case. 

[AKCJ]

Same as Kompany's tackle on Vardy early on in the season.

 

Graham Scott couldn't be sure that Vardy would have got to the ball before Stones but I don't see how Mike Dean could be sure that Zaha would have got to the ball before Hamer.

 

Hamer was on the edge of his area and Albrighton got a decent, while not clean, kick on the ball sending it towards him.

 

IMO it was harsh. A Yellow would have been sufficient.

[jammie82uk]

I said it while watching it live, I thought it was a yellow at most and I still think it should have been a yellow at most, Mike Dean wasn’t even going to give a free kick at all for the incident it was the linesman who alerted him that he thought it was a foul 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

8 hours ago, duk3nuk3m said:

Before dragging him down, Albrighton did play the ball backwards and used his body to stop Zaha running through on goal. It was only as Albrighton was going down, he then dragged Zaha down with him, committing the foul.

 

It definitely looks clear cut to me that Zaha was never going to get there before Hamer. I can see why Mike Dean gave it, but surely there were grounds for appeal.

Mike Dean didn't give it, the linesman's did. Mike Dean was letting play go and the linesman flagged and spoke to him, he then gave the red card and gave the thumbs up to his assistant. 

I also don't think it deserved a red, I agree I'd have been raging if it wasn't given against us but when seeing it back id have calmed down and seen that it didn't deserve it. 

[jmono84]

Free kick to albrighton if he had gone down like most of their team