Making a Murderer Part 2

[Benguin]

Thoughts? Could have done it but reasonable doubt is a bloody understatement.

[VLC86]

I have only watched the first episode of this one so I can’t fully comment on it however I do feel slightly uneasy about the fact he hasn’t been released despite the apparent lack of evidence which leads me to think he actually has done it.

 

His current lawyer hasn’t managed to get him off it despite doing so many times before.

 

Ive finished Haunting of Hill House now so will crack on with this tomorrow.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Benguin said:

Thoughts? Could have done it but reasonable doubt is a bloody understatement.

Thoughts? Could have gone in the TV series thread. 

[Pliskin]

Ultimately it’s a TV documentary put together by students if I’m not mistaken? Obviously it’s to be taken with a pinch of salt. However that’s not to say that crime fighting in the states is more corrupt than those engaging in the criminal activity over there. It makes for thrilling watching but i’m dubious to the facts, as it’s not a legal system I really understand fully, it seems to change as things go along over in the states. 

[RonnieTodger]

no doubt that the evidence has been planted, but he still may have done it.  

 

The Brendan case is the strangest. How on earth is he still behind bars?

[lgfualol]

I was 50/50 that he did it, based on his past, with some questionable actions. I don't know how much the doc cuts out, but I started to believe he is completely innocent by the end. If he did do it, he is a really psychopathic liar who seems to have convinced himself he did nothing. 

 

Brendon on the other hand, I think had no clue. That interrogation was so hard to watch and I raged seeing the people justify the polices' actions. 

 

I think..

 

Bobby did it and Scott helped him cover it up. Brandon got caught in the crossfire, thus Bobby can not go to Jail to see him. Those internet searches were waaay too ****ed up to ignore, can't believe the police willingly seem to have withheld this. 

 

Also, Ken Kratz is such a disgusting cvnt. 

[VLC86]

7 hours ago, lgfualol said:

I was 50/50 that he did it, based on his past, with some questionable actions. I don't know how much the doc cuts out, but I started to believe he is completely innocent by the end. If he did do it, he is a really psychopathic liar who seems to have convinced himself he did nothing. 

 

Brendon on the other hand, I think had no clue. That interrogation was so hard to watch and I raged seeing the people justify the polices' actions. 

 

I think..

 

 

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Bobby did it and Scott helped him cover it up. Brandon got caught in the crossfire, thus Bobby can not go to Jail to see him. Those internet searches were waaay too ****ed up to ignore, can't believe the police willingly seem to have withheld this. 

 

 

Also, Ken Kratz is such a disgusting cvnt. 

I think your theory could be right but it still really nags at me that the US justice system still has no interest in listening to this case again.

 

Will be interesting to see if after watching this again I think otherwise and that’s what worry’s me.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Does this come in kit form and do you have to paint it yourself?

[VLC86]

52 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Does this come in kit form and do you have to paint it yourself?

And here’s one I made earlier

[The Quick Brown Fox]

7 episodes in of series 2, how the Fvck are these 2 still inside? 

Obviously they could have done it but there is no evidence to suggest they did! Sickening really. I know we only get to see one side of it but as is said before reasonable doubt. 

Looks to me like the police wanted him gone so they couldn't get sued.

[Max Wall]

On 24/10/2018 at 18:41, Costock_Fox said:

I think your theory could be right but it still really nags at me that the US justice system still has no interest in listening to this case again.

 

Will be interesting to see if after watching this again I think otherwise and that’s what worry’s me.

 

12 hours ago, browniefox said:

7 episodes in of series 2, how the Fvck are these 2 still inside? 

Obviously they could have done it but there is no evidence to suggest they did! Sickening really. I know we only get to see one side of it but as is said before reasonable doubt. 

Looks to me like the police wanted him gone so they couldn't get sued.

Wasn't there a 37 million dollar lawsuit underway when he was released from his first, incorrect incarceration?

That was immediately denied when he was rearrested. Can you imagine the double lawsuit they'd face if they conceded he was innocent and let him out now?

They simply cannot financially afford to be shown up to have done this to him twice.

[VLC86]

3 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

 

Wasn't there a 37 million dollar lawsuit underway when he was released from his first, incorrect incarceration?

That was immediately denied when he was rearrested. Can you imagine the double lawsuit they'd face if they conceded he was innocent and let him out now?

They simply cannot financially afford to be shown up to have done this to him twice.

If I remember rightly he was awarded the money and then spent it on legal fees etc.

[Max Wall]

3 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

If I remember rightly he was awarded the money and then spent it on legal fees etc.

Don't think that's right, though I could be wrong.

They immediately denied the $37m and then offered him a $400,000 payoff when he was back in prison and they knew his funds were depleted. They offered it on the basis that they accepted no liability for anything. He took that as he had no other options to continue paying his brief.

Pretty sure that's what happened though I may remember it incorrectly.

[VLC86]

Just now, Max Wall said:

Don't think that's right, though I could be wrong.

They immediately denied the $37m and then offered him a $400,000 payoff when he was back in prison and they knew his funds were depleted. They offered it on the basis that they accepted no liability for anything. He took that as he had no other options to continue paying his brief.

Pretty sure that's what happened though I may remember it incorrectly.

Yeah you are right actually, I knew they did him over in some way and it was that he had to accept reduced funds to use for legal fees.

[Max Wall]

Just now, Costock_Fox said:

Yeah you are right actually, I knew they did him over in some way and it was that he had to accept reduced funds to use for legal fees.

I can't quite remember the wording they offered the $400,000 under but it was a way of scuppering him.

They knew that cash would go in the blink of an eye in legal fees and then he was screwed with no avenue for recourse on his previous incarceration.

Who knows who's correct but I've never thought he was guilty right from the start and, having seen the 2nd series, I'm even more convinced he was innocent.

Poor Brendan was collateral damage used because he would help the conviction against Steven to stick.

[CollinsLCFC]

It's quite an amazing story.

After season 1, I was 60-40 in favour of them being innocent. Now I'm 99% sure they are.

 

Most evidence should make Bobby Dassey a suspect and the State used his statement to cement their false conviction and all to bring a stop to the $37m payout 

 

I feel so sorry for Theresa herself and her family, as the State have not chased Justice, just to save themselves.

 

Can't believe the Sheriff threatened the coroner with arrest if she went to the crime scene. Kratz withholding evidence to SA attorneys.. it's incredible

Edited 10 November 2018 by CollinsLCFC

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Teresa Halbach’s family are weird.

 

How they can be happy with either conviction is beyond me.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Teresa Halbach’s family are weird.

 

How they can be happy with either conviction is beyond me.

Vengeance, and closure.

 

They don't care who pays for her murder, so long as someone does. That's pretty often typical of families who have suffered such trauma, I think.

 

A good reason why the justice system has to be impartial with zero input from such parties IMO.

[CollinsLCFC]

6 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Teresa Halbach’s family are weird.

 

How they can be happy with either conviction is beyond me.

 

6 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Vengeance, and closure.

 

They don't care who pays for her murder, so long as someone does. That's pretty often typical of families who have suffered such trauma, I think.

 

A good reason why the justice system has to be impartial with zero input from such parties IMO.

Yes and also with the dodgy prosecution in their ear throughout the whole ordeal as well. It was imperative that the prosecution convince the family. 

 

I really feel sorry for the family. I wonder if the global recognition of the case my make the family revisit to find true justice?