Russia, Putin and the West

[Wymsey]

After the Salisbury incidents in particular and some more than happened in the UK which we are accusing them of doing all of them (including yesterday's report that a Russian news presenter trained to gain access toan army base), and the also-deteriorating relationship between Russia/Putin and Donald Trump (US presidential election meddling etc)

- Will the relationship between the US and UK with Russia ever improve over time?

 

I agree with a top UK head of national security's analysis that Russia are even more of a threat now to the west than Islamic State have been.

 

[bovril]

I'm sure this thread has been started before.

 

Going to call it now - Wymsey's a Russian bot sent into to gauge foxestalk opinion on Putin and identify potential double-agents. 

[Jon the Hat]

Putin needs to be bitch slapped back to the shit hole he cane from.

[breadandcheese]

11 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Putin needs to be bitch slapped back to the shit hole he cane from.

I believe he is, through economic means. It might be a slower burn than some would like but it seems that sanctions and economic policies are starting bto have an effect.

 

Really interesting article below in the FT yesterday about the struggling Russian economy.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/3b795a48-f2ee-11e8-ae55-df4bf40f9d0d

[Dr The Singh]

3 minutes ago, breadandcheese said:

I believe he is, through economic means. It might be a slower burn than some would like but it seems that sanctions and economic policies are starting bto have an effect.

 

Really interesting article below in the FT yesterday about the struggling Russian economy.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/3b795a48-f2ee-11e8-ae55-df4bf40f9d0d

How much of there GDP are there spending on arming themselves, these days?

 

And how much are they making from selling there weapons even with sanctions?

 

It's fair to say, from a armament point of view, they are more of a match for any European nation.

[yorkie1999]

i ain't bothered as i'm in a safe industry job and wont be required to go and fight the russians in siberia. 

[Mike Oxlong]

If they invade us will they be sending over their women ? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 December 2018 by Mike Oxlong

[bovril]

24 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

 

Bob Paisley? 

[breadandcheese]

1 hour ago, Dr The Singh said:

How much of there GDP are there spending on arming themselves, these days?

 

And how much are they making from selling there weapons even with sanctions?

 

It's fair to say, from a armament point of view, they are more of a match for any European nation.

Militarily, they are a match, but they're not going to embark on anything more than localised proxy conflicts. These may bring about a few pyrrhic victories, but ultimately, bringing the Russian economy to its knees will end Putin's ambitions.

 

Being locked out of a huge part of the banking system by sanctions is having a huge impact on Russian businesses operating abroad.

[leicsmac]

3 hours ago, breadandcheese said:

Militarily, they are a match, but they're not going to embark on anything more than localised proxy conflicts. These may bring about a few pyrrhic victories, but ultimately, bringing the Russian economy to its knees will end Putin's ambitions.

 

Being locked out of a huge part of the banking system by sanctions is having a huge impact on Russian businesses operating abroad.

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As long as they have their Topols and whatever else, they will be a match for anyone as they know they can at least reduce any conflict at all to a scenario where everyone loses.

[foxy boxing]

The relationship won't improve while Putin remains in charge and even if he steps down he will most likely be able to choose his successor. we will have the bare minnimum diplomatic relationship with Russia. Putin sees the west as a direct threat to his rule who use different means to access the general public in Russia and try and turn their opinion against Putin and his regime. Putin wants to eliminate all those that have betrayed Russia and by Russia i mean his brutal regime Like sergei Skripal and what they did to Litvenenko. while he continues to try to expand his regime like in Ukraine and meddle in other countries affairs through different forms he will continue to be a direct threat to the west and particularly to britain who he very much sees as a weak partner to the United States.