Racism

[srex9]

26 minutes ago, OadbyBlue said:

The British empire should not be celebrated as it is responsible for enslavement and genocide In the homelands of many people who live in this country, from Irish to Kenyans to Indians to Aboriginals and so on.

Then what elements of history should be celebrated? You don't think the British Empire had any positive impact at all? 

 

The series 'Empire' by Jeremy Paxman is an interesting watch if this is what interests you or if you want a broader context. 

[SheppyFox]

2 hours ago, Izzy said:

Quite possibly. Plenty of Spurs fans who were sat in that area have been ringing radio phone in's saying they heard no monkey chants (and if they had they'd have lynched the person responsible). Meanwhile, Spurs' name gets dragged through the mud on social media (and on this forum) when there's still no proof. I'm no Spurs lover but I'd feel a bit pissed if everyone's accusing them of being racist when nothing happened.

 

Sorry, disagree.

I don't think a club should be held responsible for the actions of one or two mindless idiots. Like that Man City fan a few weeks back against Man Utd - root him out, publicly humiliate him, ban him for life and let his employers sack him. That's the right punishment, not docking the club points.

Hurt the racists, I’d bet they love their clubs.

[SheppyFox]

8 minutes ago, OadbyBlue said:

The British empire should not be celebrated as it is responsible for enslavement and genocide In the homelands of many people who live in this country, from Irish to Kenyans to Indians to Aboriginals and so on.

All countries that are wealthy today have persecuted others. 

[OadbyBlue]

7 minutes ago, srex9 said:

Then what elements of history should be celebrated? You don't think the British Empire had any positive impact at all? 

 

The series 'Empire' by Jeremy Paxman is an interesting watch if this is what interests you or if you want a broader context. 

I have watched that, years ago. Agreed there will have been positive impacts but at what cost? Nazi Germany saved the German economy and led to technological innovations but, rightfully, so is most known for its atrocities, you won’t find many Germans who would celebrate this era much. The only difference is Britain carried out most of its atrocities far from home and over a longer period of time

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

16 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

All countries that are wealthy today have persecuted others. 

The only difference is that many Wealthy countries recognise their atrocities and have began to raise awareness. If you start to question the British Empire, your patriotism is often immediately questioned (especially if you are non-white).

 

 

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, OadbyBlue said:

Yeah I’m aware of that, but there was a belief of white supremacy at the time which was used to justify slavery, and to argue against abolition. Racism and divisive attitudes being promoted so certain people can profit, nothing new here, Donald used this tactic expertly. Most of the black people who profited off slavery were bought up as slaves though, so knew nothing other than slavery.

selling their own people for profit doesn’t seem like racism to me.

[SheppyFox]

38 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

The only difference is that many Wealthy countries recognise their atrocities and have began to raise awareness. If you start to question the British Empire, your patriotism is often immediately questioned (especially if you are non-white).

 

 

I’d argue the Mongolian empire was worse than ours 🤔 we’ve a dark history, no doubt about it but we are still a lot further down the road of righting wrongs than many in the civilised world 🙂

[yorkie1999]

3 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

I’d argue the Mongolian empire was worse than ours 🤔 we’ve a dark history, no doubt about it but we are still a lot further down the road of righting wrongs than many in the civilised world 🙂

The romans were a fairly cutthroat bunch as well, but at least they invented concrete and straight roads.

[srex9]

1 hour ago, OadbyBlue said:

I have watched that, years ago. Agreed there will have been positive impacts but at what cost? Nazi Germany saved the German economy and led to technological innovations but, rightfully, so is most known for its atrocities, you won’t find many Germans who would celebrate this era much. The only difference is Britain carried out most of its atrocities far from home and over a longer period of time

At the same time as educating and advancing the modern world. As I said before, every nation has a history, and history wasn't particularly pretty or sympathetic in different eras. It was very much survival of the fittest and the British excelled. Whilst we can agree certain actions were indeed horrific and wrong, that's the beauty of hindsight and we have obviously learned from that. If you had been there you would have been raised to believe it was the right thing. And yes Hitler was actually a pretty effective leader in terms of his own people prospering, he just happened to be a twisted psychopath. 

 

Here's one for you. If it hadn't have been for the success of the British Empire then Germany would have most likely won. I think its very easy to pass judgement on past actions but none of us really have much context at all. We have it pretty good really. 

[boots60]

4 hours ago, SheppyFox said:

10 Points off Tottenham, 30m fine and the players have the right to leave the field. Happens again? 15 points, 45m and so on.  

If policed properly this would lead to all 20 premier league teams on minus points. 

 

and skint.

 

[boots60]

37 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

The romans were a fairly cutthroat bunch as well, but at least they invented concrete and straight roads.

and irrigation

 

[somebum]

what a dumb thread close it

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

53 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

I’d argue the Mongolian empire was worse than ours 🤔 we’ve a dark history, no doubt about it but we are still a lot further down the road of righting wrongs than many in the civilised world 🙂

declaring that the British Empire was more civilised than Genghis Khan is not a great argument. It’s like saying that your GP is more caring than Dr Harold Shipman. 

[yorkie1999]

9 minutes ago, Glorious Leicester Fan said:

declaring that the British Empire was more civilised than Genghis Khan is not a great argument. It’s like saying that your GP is more caring than Dr Harold Shipman. 

Or dr Josef mengele