Racism

[HighPeakFox]

42 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Politics in this country, and the two leaders having their own problems with racism, has allowed racism to creep back into football.

Don't think you can treat racism in football as separate to racism in the wider society.

You're missing the point entirely. And making a statement that I believe to be factually incorrect as though it is fact is also a problem, as to challenge it then perpetuates the debate. 

[Gordon the Great]

Brexit?..so it is racist to want to live in a free, democratic , sovereign nation that is in charge of it`s own destiny and not be dictated to by anyone....that makes me a very proud racist if that is the criteria.

[Gordon the Great]

Hackney fox.............Brexit?..so it is racist to want to live in a free, democratic , sovereign nation that is in charge of it`s own destiny and not be dictated to by anyone....that makes me a very proud racist if that is the criteria.

[surrifox]

Jeez that we’re having to confront this in 2019 truly does my feckin’ head in . WTF is going on in this country and in The wider world that some people still believe that they can behave like this towards fellow citizens ?

[Russell sprout]

So when I got referred to as ‘white boy’

by black arsenal fan,

am I right to suggest it’s racist language,

as I white person I simply laugh it off,

but had I called him ‘black boy’ even though he’s  black and I’m white,

does that make me a racist,

not at all,

but to the wider society who think racism simply applies to a black person being referred to because of the colour of the skin it’s racist,

but when it’s the other way round it’s simply banter,

it’s this hypocritical crap what pisses me off

[Foxxed]

7 hours ago, Stoopid said:

Racism and nationalism - ideas you'd think thoroughly discredited by (fairly recent) history, and by the posession of even a basic amount of intelligence and/or decency - seem to have made a most unwelcome return in the last few years.

People communicating through phones etc with like-minded types rather than the actual world around them may have something to do with it. Social media creates self-referential groups which tend to reinforce existing views, however dumb.

In a diverse city like Leicester people soon realise there's very little difference between them, and racism tends to wither away. 

But even here, if people find reinforcement for crackpot views so easily available, problems can arise.

In the end though, good sense and decency - which I still think most of us posess - will defeat it.

But I suppose even the chronically thick and unpleasant need a platform. Hence the existence of Tottenham Hotspur...

Claiming superiority - whether through race, nationality or religion - exhilarates people and gives them license to belittle, attack and steal. It's a human trait that leads to blood, sometimes in small amounts and often in large amounts.

[Foxxed]

2 hours ago, Russell sprout said:

So when I got referred to as ‘white boy’

by black arsenal fan,

am I right to suggest it’s racist language,

as I white person I simply laugh it off,

but had I called him ‘black boy’ even though she’s black and I’m white,

does that make me a racist,

not at all,

but to the wider society who think racism simply applies to a black person being referred to because of the colour of the skin it’s racist,

but when it’s the other way round it’s simply banter,

it’s this hypocritical crap what pisses me off

It's racist and you are within your rights to report it. The only difference is in that stadium you are with tens of thousands of white boys and it's easy to laugh off.

 

[Russell sprout]

15 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

It's racist and you are within your rights to report it. The only difference is in that stadium you are with tens of thousands of white boys and it's easy to laugh off.

 

Do you seriously think the police would entertain it,

in current society middle aged white men are the racists,

there’s no such thing as a racist black person as far most think nowadays and it’s shocking,

I come from a family where I have a muslin Moroccan auntie aswell as a West Indian auntie and by referring to my cousin as mixed race,

my white uncle then said that referring to her as mixed race was insensitive🤦‍♂️
and borderline racist🤦‍♂️
and that she’s simply black,

yet her black mother has said she’s mixed race👏🏻
It’s this constant threat of being branded a racist which has caused this divide,

and in my opinion to many are to quick to call a white person a racist when black men are just as guilty of racism as white men,if it’s even racist at all

[sacreblueits442]

.. the threat to stop a match in view of racist chants or actions only empowers the idiot perpetrating this. 

You can not give that power to one person or persons in the crowd. The stewards have a big part to play in this, if a player can hear and see these actions then there are no reasons why the stewards can not identify the culprit. They do need backup from the police who should be stationed evenly, something like one officer to 3 stewards. Possibly using a camera attached to the steward like the police could help massively to aid in prosecution. 

[49er]

2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Before I wade in, could I once again request that statements about our individual politicians and the inevitable diversion it causes be removed, please. 

 

There's a Politics Thread for a reason, and I avoid it because I simply do not wish to have to read uninformed rhetoric, argument and hatred. I'd really really appreciate it being removed from here, rather than being tacitly approved by its continuing existence. 

Not like you to try and move threads

[yorkie1999]

9 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.. the threat to stop a match in view of racist chants or actions only empowers the idiot perpetrating this. 

You can not give that power to one person or persons in the crowd. The stewards have a big part to play in this, if a player can hear and see these actions then there are no reasons why the stewards can not identify the culprit. They do need backup from the police who should be stationed evenly, something like one officer to 3 stewards. Possibly using a camera attached to the steward like the police could help massively to aid in prosecution. 

I think the players walking off would soon sort it out, especially seeing half the crowd would hand the perpetrator over to the police so the game carry on. I’m sick of people beating around the bush and blaming society as a whole for fear of offending. Racists should be targeted and cast out.

[HighPeakFox]

5 minutes ago, 49er said:

Not like you to try and move threads

Ho ho ho (it's Xmas after all)

 

Seriously, can you not see that this is potentially divisive, and goodness knows we don't need much excuse.

[Foxxed]

44 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Do you seriously think the police would entertain it,

in current society middle aged white men are the racists,

there’s no such thing as a racist black person as far most think nowadays and it’s shocking,

I come from a family where I have a muslin Moroccan auntie aswell as a West Indian auntie and by referring to my cousin as mixed race,

my white uncle then said that referring to her as mixed race was insensitive🤦‍♂️
and borderline racist🤦‍♂️
and that she’s simply black,

yet her black mother has said she’s mixed race👏🏻
It’s this constant threat of being branded a racist which has caused this divide,

and in my opinion to many are to quick to call a white person a racist when black men are just as guilty of racism as white men,if it’s even racist at all

Have you spent time around non-white people? Of course racism exists everywhere and in every country. It's often worse in other countries with other shades of people.

 

No one claims - except those wishing to be the victim of some liberal attack - that society only sees white people as racist.

 

But there are more white people here.

 

A black racist loudly chanting shit will soon get his head kicked in. White racists chanting shit may quickly encourage violence.

[Russell sprout]

1 minute ago, Foxxed said:

A black racist loudly chanting shit will soon get his head kicked in. White racists chanting shit may quickly encourage violence.

You’ve only got to listen to rap music to hear a black person loudly chanting shit,

encourageing violence and using the ‘N’ word,

but that ok that’s not racist,
but im sure some on here will think im racist for for daring to suggest that a black person is a racist

[purpleronnie]

7 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

You’ve only got to listen to rap music to hear a black person loudly chanting shit,

encourageing violence and using the ‘N’ word,

but that ok that’s not racist,
but im sure some on here will think im racist for for daring to suggest that a black person is a racist

I doubt it, but I don't understand the point your trying to make in this thread as it's seemingly about racism in football (apologies iof its a more general thread).  If black fans start chanting racist abuse then it's relevant.

[Foxxed]

1 hour ago, Russell sprout said:

You’ve only got to listen to rap music to hear a black person loudly chanting shit,

encourageing violence and using the ‘N’ word,

but that ok that’s not racist,
but im sure some on here will think im racist for for daring to suggest that a black person is a racist

Words carry intent. A black rap artist using the word nigger isn't demeaning black people. In the same way I can say white boy and I'm not demeaning white people.

 

Rap music also doesn't encourage violence against white people unless you're listening to some rap music that I am not. Please send me your spotify playlist. I wish to broaden my musical horizons.

 

I agree some white people believe only white people are racist. But it's clearly bullshit if you spend time in another part of the world. But here white racism is more of a problem because there are more white people to cause a problem. But black, brown or whatever racism is still bad. But it's a numbers game.

 

[Guest Cujek]

7 hours ago, shiv said:

My brother got racially abused at Man City on Saturday. Leicester fans were excellent and told the stewards immediately.

Wtf are you kidding?

 

Who even does that, we should abuse the  manc tw@ts for being Northern knuckle draggers. 

 

Pathetic, its not like there have been people of all colours in this country for longer than anyone can remember. 

 

I am sorry this happened to your brother and it makes me want to fight the people who did it. 

[TheLittleBigMan]

Santa Claus is a massive racist by the way. 

[Dr The Singh]

Racism exists in walks of life, brown, back, yellow, white and all the mixes in-between.

 

however, the majority race is always under the spotlight, as they are usually the persecuters and have the most impact

[Dr The Singh]

8 minutes ago, TheLittleBigMan said:

Santa Claus is a massive racist by the way. 

Well he definitely has a thing for ho's, usually he wants 3 of em

[TheLittleBigMan]

Just now, Dr The Singh said:

Well he definitely has a thing for ho's, usually he wants 3 of em

[hackneyfox]

2 hours ago, Gordon the Great said:

Hackney fox.............Brexit?..so it is racist to want to live in a free, democratic , sovereign nation that is in charge of it`s own destiny and not be dictated to by anyone....that makes me a very proud racist if that is the criteria.

Figures show that hate crimes significantly increased after Brexit.

Go ahead and argue with facts if you want.

[Vacamion]

 

For a lot of people, attendance at a football match is a chance to let off steam away from home and responsibilities, to yell at the top of their voices and to say some otherwise non-racist near the knuckle stuff about the opposition team's fans, players, their wives, their parentage etc. and get away with it. 

 

I go to matches in Scotland and I hear (non racist but still fairly abusive) stuff yelled, screamed even, in anger that makes me think the person has lost their mind. Pure vein on the forehead throbbing stuff. 

 

Stuff the people would probably be mortified about if they had it recorded and played back to them on their own in a quiet room. 

 

If someone who might harbour racist thoughts can usually keep a lid on those racist thoughts and utterances during the week, the atmosphere at a game sometimes brings this stuff out as it makes people prone to emotional and verbal incontinence.

 

Until these attitudes disappear, I suppose the key is to make it so utterly unacceptable to release these utterances in a crowd at the weekend as it would be in the office on Monday morning.

 

So walking off, lifetime bans, club penalties, involving the law, etc, it is, then. 

[OadbyBlue]

2 hours ago, Russell sprout said:

So when I got referred to as ‘white boy’

by black arsenal fan,

am I right to suggest it’s racist language,

as I white person I simply laugh it off,

but had I called him ‘black boy’ even though he’s  black and I’m white,

does that make me a racist,

not at all,

but to the wider society who think racism simply applies to a black person being referred to because of the colour of the skin it’s racist,

but when it’s the other way round it’s simply banter,

it’s this hypocritical crap what pisses me off

Oh shut up it’s not the same

[cropstonfox]

14 minutes ago, OadbyBlue said:

Oh shut up it’s not the same

Not the same as derogatory Ape chants.

No place for this in football or society.