sacreblueits442 Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 2 minutes ago, Foxxed said: He's dropping back when the wing back bomb forwards only. 2 minutes ago, Foxxed said: He's dropping back when the wing back bomb forwards only. ...even with a back three when we bomb forward with our Wing Backs we are very susceptible in the spaces they vacate!!! We look very poor defensively and Soyuncu struggles very much as a three.
FoxesWalk Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 We won’t buy until we sell, so will be pretty late in the window IMO. Hopefully there are some decent options still available around that time.
STUHILL Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 13 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said: We won’t buy until we sell, so will be pretty late in the window IMO. Hopefully there are some decent options still available around that time. Source? I'm curious as seen this mentioned a couple of times but be interesting if it's well sourced or based on assumptions from previous windows etc 1
Dahnsouff Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 10 minutes ago, STUHILL said: Source? I'm curious as seen this mentioned a couple of times but be interesting if it's well sourced or based on assumptions from previous windows etc Isn't this just common sense, backed up by our historical behaviour in the transfer window? We have already spent 40m (approx), and although we have released some signifcant earners, there have been no sales of note. CB maybe, but that looks like its based on a strong requirement due to Jonny's on-going injury problems, but beyond that, find it hard to imagine we would be spending much without sales. I mean look at Villa, spent lots, so surely Grealish going covers that, and Spurs, are they spending Kane money?
FoxesWalk Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 10 minutes ago, STUHILL said: Source? I'm curious as seen this mentioned a couple of times but be interesting if it's well sourced or based on assumptions from previous windows etc Assumption. Fairly safe one IMO given what Rodgers has said recently about available funds, and looking at what we have spent in previous windows vs outgoings. It would be spending previously unseen amounts of money whilst accounts are under considerable pressure, if we spunk £30m on a winger without selling anyone. Not impossible, but seems a very odd time to change spending policy given impact of Covid. Given how hard it is going to be to sell in this window, I don’t think the club can assume we will gather a certain amount in sales. Praet is the most saleable asset outside the starting XI. He is the one to go to fund a winger IMO.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 1 minute ago, FoxesWalk said: Assumption. Fairly safe one IMO given what Rodgers has said recently about available funds, and looking at what we have spent in previous windows vs outgoings. It would be spending previously unseen amounts of money whilst accounts are under considerable pressure, if we spunk £30m on a winger without selling anyone. Not impossible, but seems a very odd time to change spending policy given impact of Covid. Given how hard it is going to be to sell in this window, I don’t think the club can assume we will gather a certain amount in sales. Praet is the most saleable asset outside the starting XI. He is the one to go to fund a winger IMO. Or alternatively there's some money left but not enough for the player/s we want therefore it's a bit wait and see.
STUHILL Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 I don't want Praet to leave in this window as still think he has a lot to offer, but if he funds a top RW, then can't really complain with that. Assumption/Common sense does dictate what you are saying, I was just wondering if had been confirmed. If we can't shift anyone out, then maybe we will look at a season long loan with fee agreed next summer. CB on a free/low fee and RW with a sale or season long loan, and what a window we've had!
FoxesWalk Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Or alternatively there's some money left but not enough for the player/s we want therefore it's a bit wait and see. Yh for sure, only a few people know much money is actually there. I’m just looking at net spend and what little Rodgers has said and am reading between the lines. I think waiting later in the window might actually turn out quite well, there should be pressure of both French and Italian clubs to plug fairly big holes in their finances. So far the prices in France aren’t notably lower than usual, you’d think the closer it gets to the line, the more nervy some of those sides will get.
An Sionnach Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 I am not holding my breath. If we sell , we can buy but organising that in four weeks is looking increasingly tight.
FoxesWalk Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: I am not holding my breath. If we sell , we can buy but organising that in four weeks is looking increasingly tight. Yep, especially in this market. Loan with obligation/option looks the most likely as it stands. Free transfer for a CB maybe. 1
Ric Flair Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 1 hour ago, Jimbo said: I'm starting to think we're not going to be playing with wingers, might even be tough to see where Barnes is going to fit in. I can see our "1st 11" reverting to Brendans Liverpool team, and playing a diamond. Maddison will be his new Coutinho. Soumare, Ndidi and Youri in a 3 with Vardy, Daka and Kel fighting out for the 2 places up top. Absolutely scant evidence of that so don't worry just yet. I can't see why he'd move away from a system that loses Barnes 15-20 goal contributions. Without him in any system we play we look infinitely weaker. His loss from Februarybonwards, along with Maddison showed just how finely balanced we are as a club. When we have our key players in then we are top 4 chasing week in, week out but when we lose a player like Barnes then we are fighting fires. He might try a diamond but it won't see us achieve what we've done already and that will mean he'll not stick with it. I don't want to see any uncertainty from our manager, we've the squad to play our best system if we just demand the powers that be bring in a right winger of sufficient quality. We'll be bang in the top 6 race once again. 1
UHDrive Posted 2 August 2021 Author Posted 2 August 2021 3 hours ago, Verumex said: I wouldn't be against using this year to give the right wing to both Sowah and Maswanhise, as it would show a lot of faith in the youth of this team if we did that instead of dipping into the market. But we would still be handicapped on the right side, and wouldn't necessarily solve the problem. That said, I would much rather see Maswanhise go out on loan. Ok I can only judge based on the friendlies, but he looks ready for it, and in about 2 years I can see him being one hell of a player. They have literally zero experience, too much of a risk. If it came to it I'd use the right back/wing back rotations of Castagna and RP so long as madders is in the 10 role.
Ric Flair Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 42 minutes ago, STUHILL said: I don't want Praet to leave in this window as still think he has a lot to offer, but if he funds a top RW, then can't really complain with that. Assumption/Common sense does dictate what you are saying, I was just wondering if had been confirmed. If we can't shift anyone out, then maybe we will look at a season long loan with fee agreed next summer. CB on a free/low fee and RW with a sale or season long loan, and what a window we've had! Praet is down to about 5th or 6th choice CM though so I don't see where he fits in? KDH is now ahead of him and I think it's the right decision as he deserves a chance to make a name here, his skill set is absolutely what we need, more so than Praet sadly. 2
An Sionnach Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 3 minutes ago, UHDrive said: They have literally zero experience, too much of a risk. If it came to it I'd use the right back/wing back rotations of Castagna and RP so long as madders is in the 10 role. Sowah has had a year in Belgium , so not zero experience. Its not a great standard but it must have honed his game somewhat. He is 21 so not too raw and even if he gets only limited minutes , he may surprise us. Worth a gamble I reckon.
STUHILL Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Praet is down to about 5th or 6th choice CM though so I don't see where he fits in? KDH is now ahead of him and I think it's the right decision as he deserves a chance to make a name here, his skill set is absolutely what we need, more so than Praet sadly. I'd still have Praet ahead of KDH at the moment as a Belgium international/skillset etc but you are right, KDH is looking very strong and could jump ahead of him this season, which would make Praet surplus and our most sellable asset. I'd actually have Praet ahead of Perez in the number 10 role/back up to Maddison but won't be much interest in Perez unfortunately 2
Popular Post Ric Flair Posted 2 August 2021 Popular Post Posted 2 August 2021 3 minutes ago, STUHILL said: I'd still have Praet ahead of KDH at the moment as a Belgium international/skillset etc but you are right, KDH is looking very strong and could jump ahead of him this season, which would make Praet surplus and our most sellable asset. I'd actually have Praet ahead of Perez in the number 10 role/back up to Maddison but won't be much interest in Perez unfortunately Praet has done something in Rodgers mind that's set him back a lot, otherwise there's absolutely no excuse not to have used him in the last half a dozen or so games last season when we were on our arse and Perez and Maddison were utter dog shit. 8
UHDrive Posted 2 August 2021 Author Posted 2 August 2021 2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Praet is down to about 5th or 6th choice CM though so I don't see where he fits in? KDH is now ahead of him and I think it's the right decision as he deserves a chance to make a name here, his skill set is absolutely what we need, more so than Praet sadly. With the size of the squad and the need for a RW (lots of exclamation marks!!) then I think he should go as well, but only if we got a RW. KDH has impressed, has definitely matured from the frosty winter development squad games I used to watch of his. Its a finite point but KDH is left footed and Praet is right footed role. This feeds back into getting the ball into forward corner play with the players we have. I'd like to see if KDH can further shift over further right in advanced positions in attack phases along with RP/castagna. At least with this we are able to utilise Maddison and Perez to either switch play or create chances. 1
UHDrive Posted 2 August 2021 Author Posted 2 August 2021 7 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Sowah has had a year in Belgium , so not zero experience. Its not a great standard but it must have honed his game somewhat. He is 21 so not too raw and even if he gets only limited minutes , he may surprise us. Worth a gamble I reckon. I wouldn't say an inexperienced player (zero in the PL) should take a place out of the 25 man squad. It would do him good to be loaned out in the English pyramid.
SkidsFox Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 15 minutes ago, UHDrive said: They have literally zero experience, too much of a risk. If it came to it I'd use the right back/wing back rotations of Castagna and RP so long as madders is in the 10 role. This. Rodgers was fine selling off Gray, so he obviously feels ok without a dedicated winger in the team.
UHDrive Posted 2 August 2021 Author Posted 2 August 2021 2 minutes ago, SkidsFox said: This. Rodgers was fine selling off Gray, so he obviously feels ok without a dedicated winger in the team. Not really. Gray was sold because he didn't have a PL level football brain when it was needed. Castagna and RP have played as wingers during their careers and in fact both of them operated in that role last year. That's why it's important we get one. 1
turlo Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 20 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: Sowah has had a year in Belgium , so not zero experience. Its not a great standard but it must have honed his game somewhat. He is 21 so not too raw and even if he gets only limited minutes , he may surprise us. Worth a gamble I reckon. I could go with keeping Sowah as a squad player next season, where he would get some game time in the domestic cups and Europa League group stages the assessing from there. No way should we be going with him as a starting right winger in a team that's on the verge of breaking into the top 4. 1
Attywolf Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, UHDrive said: I wouldn't say an inexperienced player (zero in the PL) should take a place out of the 25 man squad. It would do him good to be loaned out in the English pyramid. So how should he get PL experience because you are literally describing alot of the young players when we buy them till we play them. Also sowah wouldn't take up a spot of the 25 as he would be classed as under 21 Edited 2 August 2021 by Attywolf 1
scinnell Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 1 hour ago, STUHILL said: I don't want Praet to leave in this window as still think he has a lot to offer, but if he funds a top RW, then can't really complain with that. Assumption/Common sense does dictate what you are saying, I was just wondering if had been confirmed. If we can't shift anyone out, then maybe we will look at a season long loan with fee agreed next summer. CB on a free/low fee and RW with a sale or season long loan, and what a window we've had! Sadly I think he needs to leave to make room in our 25 man squad
UHDrive Posted 2 August 2021 Author Posted 2 August 2021 3 minutes ago, Attywolf said: So how should he get PL experience because you are literally describing alot of the young players when we buy them till we play them I'm talking about one player. The Belgium leugue is vastly different from the PL, and isn't what you would associate as a top leugue in Europe for depth and quality. Sowah took 3-4 great touches in his first game at Burton, but I haven't seen anything remarkable since then.
An Sionnach Posted 2 August 2021 Posted 2 August 2021 With Sowah, its 70 minutes gone in a must win game deadlocked at 0-0 . You bring him on to change things up. I reckon he has more about him than Gray and one assist or even a goal to break the deadlock and he is a hero.
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