Wakey ****ing wakey

[volpeazzurro]

11 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

How many times In our long history have we finished 5th, 5th and 8th in the top division?? With a tiny net spend?? No it's not going well this season, but when you aren't allowed to sign anyone all summer, lose you keeper of 11 years and your best defender, then have injuries to your captain, both your best full backs, and on off injuries for your best player then have your club legend fall off a cliff, these are all factors that Rodgers cannot be blamed for. Yes he is of course to blame for things but not everything. To have this hatred and anger towards someone who has brought so much success and some of the best football I've seen us play ever, is strange. As I say if Barnes scores at Forest or we take one or two last night, Daka doesn't try and dribble v Brighton and hacks it down the other end, etc etc we wouldn't be near this position. Too many players getting away Scott free when they have ballsed up constantly.

With the squad we had when he arrived compared to opposition teams, 5th should have been reasonably expected and there's always quite a bit of fortune in winning a one of cup competition for anyone. What you see on paper doesn't always tell the full story. 

 

As for this myth of expenditure, it's the overall expenditure that counts not the net spend, it's called success and progression because of previous good stewardship in the transfer market. That progression started to decline under Rodgers and Congerton, they have both got previous for it. Neither have any redeeming features and under Rodgers coaching and tactics, our squad of players have declined to a shadow of their form selves, even new players seem to catch the infection pretty quickly. Blind faith in shake foundations with lead to the eventual ruination of the club.

[Happy Fox]

14 hours ago, blueharmie said:

Board feel they've missed the window to sack Rodgers,  and have doubts over if a top manager would want to join the club in its current position. atm they are backing him and will review his position in the summer

 

 

 

 

 

Board are clueless then imo even a caretaker in charge would be far better than Rodgers.

[Dahnsouff]

5 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

With the squad we had when he arrived compared to opposition teams, 5th should have been reasonably expected and there's always quite a bit of fortune in winning a one of cup competition for anyone. What you see on paper doesn't always tell the full story. 

 

As for this myth of expenditure, it's the overall expenditure that counts not the net spend, it's called success and progression because of previous good stewardship in the transfer market. That progression started to decline under Rodgers and Congerton, they have both got previous for it. Neither have any redeeming features and under Rodgers coaching and tactics, our squad of players have declined to a shadow of their form selves, even new players seem to catch the infection pretty quickly. Blind faith in shake foundations with lead to the eventual ruination of the club.

Personallyt do not believe we have ever been the 5th, let alone 4th or higher best team in the league, and thought wages was the true indicator or likely finishing position. However, either way, there is no excuse for where we are now and failing to motivate a team to better results than we have seen, and this is a minimum requirement.

 

I reckon Rodgers has just totally ran out of ideas and has no real clue how to halt the slide. It is important to note (and no, this is not to excuse him in any way) relegation like winning the league requires a healthy dose of luck just bad rather than good obviously.

[Fazzer 7]

Rodgers, the Matt Hancock of football.

[SemperEadem]

Thought this thread was about that tik tok danger.

Edited 6 March 2023 by SemperEadem

[FoxyJim1987]

8 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

With the squad we had when he arrived compared to opposition teams, 5th should have been reasonably expected and there's always quite a bit of fortune in winning a one of cup competition for anyone. What you see on paper doesn't always tell the full story. 

 

As for this myth of expenditure, it's the overall expenditure that counts not the net spend, it's called success and progression because of previous good stewardship in the transfer market. That progression started to decline under Rodgers and Congerton, they have both got previous for it. Neither have any redeeming features and under Rodgers coaching and tactics, our squad of players have declined to a shadow of their form selves, even new players seem to catch the infection pretty quickly. Blind faith in shake foundations with lead to the eventual ruination of the club.

I'm sorry but 5th should never reasonably be expected at Leicester, what rubbish. It's this kind of entitled nonsense within the fan base now that is the problem. And net spend obviously does matter. We have sold prized assets and bought cheaper ones, sometimes this will pay off, but others it won't but we have to follow this model.

[pmcla26]

9 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

With the squad we had when he arrived compared to opposition teams, 5th should have been reasonably expected 

Couldn't you say now, with this current squad then, that where we are should also be reasonably expected? 

[Guest Lako42]

7 minutes ago, Pete52 said:

Couldn't you say now, with this current squad then, that where we are should also be reasonably expected? 

No

[volpeazzurro]

37 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm sorry but 5th should never reasonably be expected at Leicester, what rubbish. It's this kind of entitled nonsense within the fan base now that is the problem. And net spend obviously does matter. We have sold prized assets and bought cheaper ones, sometimes this will pay off, but others it won't but we have to follow this model.

Whilst 'expected' is perhaps a little strong it wasn't the great achievement some people make out it was because he had a very decent squad to work with. By and large, until he came, yes, we did sell some valuable assets but in most cases the money was wisely reinvested. Something that hasn't been done during his tenure. The latter is also rinse and repeat Liverpool and Celtic, their supporters bare testament to that.

[volpeazzurro]

41 minutes ago, Pete52 said:

Couldn't you say now, with this current squad then, that where we are should also be reasonably expected? 

At the very start of the season with everyone fit but no further investment, I felt 8th/9th was still a reasonable aim when compared to other squads. The current debacle should not be happening. However, even with the amount of losses, which I can take, the continued dire style of football and the unwillingness to admit any responsibility or desire to change things is something that I find annoying. 

[Happy Fox]

4 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

At the very start of the season with everyone fit but no further investment, I felt 8th/9th was still a reasonable aim when compared to other squads. The current debacle should not be happening. However, even with the amount of losses, which I can take, the continued dire style of football and the unwillingness to admit any responsibility or desire to change things is something that I find annoying. 

We should be in Fulham’s position. Any chance we can swap managers?

[lcfc278]

Just now, volpeazzurro said:

At the very start of the season with everyone fit but no further investment, I felt 8th/9th was still a reasonable aim when compared to other squads. The current debacle should not be happening. However, even with the amount of losses, which I can take, the continued dire style of football and the unwillingness to admit any responsibility or desire to change things is something that I find annoying. 

In addition to this part, at which point does the board realise that the injury situation we've had since Rodgers came in is not just 'bad luck'. We've consistently had key players missing or not fit. Surely something must 'click' in their minds that his methods are causing us constant problems with the team available to play.  

[volpeazzurro]

8 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

We should be in Fulham’s position. Any chance we can swap managers?

If we were to compare teams and be absolutely honest about it, are there many of their players that on the surface look far superior to ours that you'd swap for any of ours? Would you say that looking at their line up,  it's clearly obvious why they are 14 pointless ahead of us?

Or, as you suggest, is it more to do with how their players are being deployed?

Edited 6 March 2023 by volpeazzurro

[Jono1604]

On 05/03/2023 at 16:53, blueharmie said:

Board feel they've missed the window to sack Rodgers,  and have doubts over if a top manager would want to join the club in its current position. atm they are backing him and will review his position in the summer

 

 

 

 

 

If that is true it just shows how out of touch and clueless this board is ! Even if we survived under Rodgers do they really think the fans would put up with Rodgers in 2023 24!

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

10 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm sorry but 5th should never reasonably be expected at Leicester

Absolutely. If any club outside the greedy six (now seven) finishes in the top six (now seven) at all, they've done really well. To maintain that is almost impossible, given how much more money those clubs bring in each and every year. To expect to do that is deluded.

 

Which is not to say that we shouldn't hope - maybe even expect - to be among the clubs who give it a bloody good shot.

Chances are that somebody from outside the greedy six (seven) will finish in the top six (seven) quite often, and it's reasonable to think we should be one of the clubs in with a shout of doing it.

 

Of course there are at least half a dozen clubs who would all feel exactly the same...

[honeybradger]

11 hours ago, FoxyJim1987 said:

I'm sorry but 5th should never reasonably be expected at Leicester, what rubbish. It's this kind of entitled nonsense within the fan base now that is the problem. And net spend obviously does matter. We have sold prized assets and bought cheaper ones, sometimes this will pay off, but others it won't but we have to follow this model.

The problem with our fans is not entitlement, it's that as a collective we get vertigo whenever we're doing well. It's a well known phenomenon where people with the tools to succeed but lower expectations will often try and undermine themselves to return to the level they expect themselves to be at. Even this year while we're staring relegation down the barrel some of our fans are saying we're entitled for expecting to do better.

 

When we finished 5th we had the 5th best squad in the league, it wasnt some magical achievement like when we won the league, most of our players would fit in in a top 6 side + we had no Europe in the first season. Yet many of our fans think this team should have finished lower simply because of the club they played for.

 

This competitive vertigo makes a large portion of our fanbase desperately clutch and protect the many failings of our manager and club over the years as mediocrity makes them feel safe. Back in the earlier Rodgers seasons we would see performances that wouldn't be acceptable for a relegation side but because we were high in the table you weren't allowed to criticise them as "we were in league one ten years ago". Now this protection and acceptance of relegation performances has manifested itself into us being a side that is actually at risk of relegation.

 

So the problem isnt "entitled" fans, the problem is the fans that let the standards of the club drop because our success scared them.

[fuchsntf]

On 05/03/2023 at 01:23, marbles said:

“If not, then you are complicit”. LOL 

Who is more complicit, me watching the games from thousands of miles away in another country, or you BUYING tickets to go protest?

You’ve lost ‘em.   I enjoy watching from 906 miles away,so I can irritate such idiot posters…and then I have to fight my way through the Verdun..& crazy French people.

Then arrive in my old city and come across weird people…

oh the town I love so well…