Rudkin

[daddylonglegs]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

We need a massive change. We cannot keep going through this every six months. Whole set up needs properly reviewing.

The review was complete at the end of the 22/23 season. You can't seriously demand *another* review!?

[Viva]

Made some good decisions since we got relegated. Brought in the right manager in Enzo and the players needed to get us promoted. Pushed PSR to the limit in 2022/23 and made the necessary sales to keep us within PSR in 2023/24.

We have been unlucky to lose potentially our best player for the season through injury, but made some decent signings in the summer. Along with a couple that haven't worked out yet. If we can stay up this season, we'll be in decent shape. If not then we'll have a good squad for the Championship, also with a few of the high earning squad players off the books since the last relegation. 

[Tommy G]

12 minutes ago, Viva said:

Made some good decisions since we got relegated. Brought in the right manager in Enzo and the players needed to get us promoted. Pushed PSR to the limit in 2022/23 and made the necessary sales to keep us within PSR in 2023/24.

We have been unlucky to lose potentially our best player for the season through injury, but made some decent signings in the summer. Along with a couple that haven't worked out yet. If we can stay up this season, we'll be in decent shape. If not then we'll have a good squad for the Championship, also with a few of the high earning squad players off the books since the last relegation. 

Hang on a minute this is way too positive 

[Viva]

11 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Hang on a minute this is way too positive 

I know it's unheard of on here!

[Ric Flair]

53 minutes ago, Viva said:

Made some good decisions since we got relegated. Brought in the right manager in Enzo and the players needed to get us promoted. Pushed PSR to the limit in 2022/23 and made the necessary sales to keep us within PSR in 2023/24.

We have been unlucky to lose potentially our best player for the season through injury, but made some decent signings in the summer. Along with a couple that haven't worked out yet. If we can stay up this season, we'll be in decent shape. If not then we'll have a good squad for the Championship, also with a few of the high earning squad players off the books since the last relegation. 

Who's choice was Steve Cooper? The press make out it wasn't Top, so that pretty much leaves Rudkin as the most likely. The cost of removing Cooper and the shift in transfer policy that resulted in the likes of Skipp, Ayew, Reid etc at this stage does not look like good decision making.

[Viva]

17 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Who's choice was Steve Cooper? The press make out it wasn't Top, so that pretty much leaves Rudkin as the most likely. The cost of removing Cooper and the shift in transfer policy that resulted in the likes of Skipp, Ayew, Reid etc at this stage does not look like good decision making.

Yep, ignore all good decisions and purely focus on the ones that haven't worked out. Ayew is a good squad player and El Khannouss looks a great buy. Buonanotte too was a very good loan. 

Cooper didn't work out and was swiftly replaced. 

Go on, you are allowed to admit we made some very good player and managerial appointments in 2023 to get promooted.

[Lionator]

He’s actually a mafia boss. Runs it from the garage in sileby, reservoir dogs style. Top is terrified of him, the Premier League are terrified of him, the whole world is terrified of him. 

[Nolucklcfc]

1 hour ago, Viva said:

Made some good decisions since we got relegated. Brought in the right manager in Enzo and the players needed to get us promoted. Pushed PSR to the limit in 2022/23 and made the necessary sales to keep us within PSR in 2023/24.

We have been unlucky to lose potentially our best player for the season through injury, but made some decent signings in the summer. Along with a couple that haven't worked out yet. If we can stay up this season, we'll be in decent shape. If not then we'll have a good squad for the Championship, also with a few of the high earning squad players off the books since the last relegation. 

Good squad for the championship in which we will be hammered by the EFL with point deductions and transfer embargos. Doing great job. 

[Viva]

Just now, Nolucklcfc said:

Good squad for the championship in which we will be hammered by the EFL with point deductions and transfer embargos. Doing great job. 

We won't have any transfer embargos. Our finances will look a lot better if we got relegated than the last time. 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Viva said:

Made some good decisions since we got relegated. Brought in the right manager in Enzo and the players needed to get us promoted. Pushed PSR to the limit in 2022/23 and made the necessary sales to keep us within PSR in 2023/24.

We have been unlucky to lose potentially our best player for the season through injury, but made some decent signings in the summer. Along with a couple that haven't worked out yet. If we can stay up this season, we'll be in decent shape. If not then we'll have a good squad for the Championship, also with a few of the high earning squad players off the books since the last relegation. 

Ahh extended contracts for Vestergaard (unsuitable for the Prem) and Choudhury (not good enough on his way to Sheff Yoo). 
 

The allowance of signing Oliver Skipp for £20m. That’s going to be a total pain on FFP calculations going forward. 
 

The hire of Steve Cooper and the compensation due there. 
 

The total burden of Ayew and Reid; after all they play the same position  

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, Viva said:

We won't have any transfer embargos. Our finances will look a lot better if we got relegated than the last time. 

Someone doesn’t understand FFP. Particularly how the loss limit reduces substantially 

Edited 14 January by CosbehFox

[Nolucklcfc]

3 minutes ago, Viva said:

We won't have any transfer embargos. Our finances will look a lot better if we got relegated than the last time. 

The EFL are going to hammer us with everything, that’s been widely reported. 

[Ric Flair]

17 minutes ago, Viva said:

Yep, ignore all good decisions and purely focus on the ones that haven't worked out. Ayew is a good squad player and El Khannouss looks a great buy. Buonanotte too was a very good loan. 

Cooper didn't work out and was swiftly replaced. 

Go on, you are allowed to admit we made some very good player and managerial appointments in 2023 to get promooted.

I still have us down as about 50% success rate on transfers since 2023 with a handful as not applicable/jury out:

 

Success:

 

Winks

Hermansen

Mavididi

Fatawu

El Khannouss

Bounanotte 

 

Failures:

 

Coady

Reid

Skipp

Cannon

Akgün

Edouard

 

N/A / jury out:

 

Doyle

Casadei

Ayew

Okoli

 

I'll praise the club for a 50% success rate given it was probably lower than that for 2021/22 and 2022/23 but it's still not where I'd expect it to be and there's a case for both Winks and Mavididi being suspect at this level for us but offset by changes in players fortunes at clubs such as Skipp might go on to do well here but at present looks horrifying business and Ayew has done OK but could go on to be a shrewd signing if we get a few more important goals and points out of him.

 

[Viva]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Someone doesn’t understand FFP. Particularly how the loss limit reduces substantially 

The £92m odd loss we made in 2021/22 won't be on this season's FFP, which will help a lot. 

[Viva]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

I still have us down as about 50% success rate on transfers since 2023 with a handful as not applicable/jury out:

 

Success:

 

Winks

Hermansen

Mavididi

Fatawu

El Khannouss

Bounanotte 

 

Failures:

 

Coady

Reid

Skipp

Cannon

Akgün

Edouard

 

N/A / jury out:

 

Doyle

Casadei

Ayew

Okoli

 

I'll praise the club for a 50% success rate given it was probably lower than that for 2021/22 and 2022/23 but it's still not where I'd expect it to be and there's a case for both Winks and Mavididi being suspect at this level for us but offset by changes in players fortunes at clubs such as Skipp might go on to do well here but at present looks horrifying business and Ayew has done OK but could go on to be a shrewd signing if we get a few more important goals and points out of him.

 

It's too simple to just look at it as a percentage. Three of those failures were loans or on a free, so not a great loss financially. Cannon won't lose us any money when we sell him either. 

The successes were big and got us promoted and could help us to stay in this league. Would make a good profit on them overall too if sold. 

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

I still have us down as about 50% success rate on transfers since 2023 with a handful as not applicable/jury out:

 

Success:

 

Winks

Hermansen

Mavididi

Fatawu

El Khannouss

Bounanotte 

 

Failures:

 

Coady

Reid

Skipp

Cannon

Akgün

Edouard

 

N/A / jury out:

 

Doyle

Casadei

Ayew

Okoli

 

I'll praise the club for a 50% success rate given it was probably lower than that for 2021/22 and 2022/23 but it's still not where I'd expect it to be and there's a case for both Winks and Mavididi being suspect at this level for us but offset by changes in players fortunes at clubs such as Skipp might go on to do well here but at present looks horrifying business and Ayew has done OK but could go on to be a shrewd signing if we get a few more important goals and points out of him.

 

Be interesting if we could compare the same with other clubs in and around us, if anyone can be arsed.

 

What is a good strike rate to ''get it right''? We also won't have the benefit of seeing their new signings week in week out compared to our own but I'm thinking of Everton as an immediate example, they have bought some dog rough players over the past few years. 

[Tommy Fresh]

7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I still have us down as about 50% success rate on transfers since 2023 with a handful as not applicable/jury out:

 

Success:

 

Winks

Hermansen

Mavididi

Fatawu

El Khannouss

Bounanotte 

 

Failures:

 

Coady

Reid

Skipp

Cannon

Akgün

Edouard

 

N/A / jury out:

 

Doyle

Casadei

Ayew

Okoli

 

I'll praise the club for a 50% success rate given it was probably lower than that for 2021/22 and 2022/23 but it's still not where I'd expect it to be and there's a case for both Winks and Mavididi being suspect at this level for us but offset by changes in players fortunes at clubs such as Skipp might go on to do well here but at present looks horrifying business and Ayew has done OK but could go on to be a shrewd signing if we get a few more important goals and points out of him.

 

Wouldn't call Akgün a failure, he did a decent enough job when called upon and he was only a loan so not like we were stuck with a squad player for years 

[CosbehFox]

10 minutes ago, Viva said:

The £92m odd loss we made in 2021/22 won't be on this season's FFP, which will help a lot. 

The £92m loss on the financial loss is not representative or the same calculation of the FFP loss. Particularly in a season where Covid breaks were given in FFP calculations. 

 

We know between 20/21 to 22/23 we were £19.5m over the Premier League loss allowance of £105m. We will still be carrying two years of that on our next FFP calculation with a reduced loss allowance of £83m plus a season of significantly reduced revenues from the Championship (23/24). 

 

However what kills us more with relegation is that we can't get away from the three season period of 23/24 , 24/25 & 25/26 where we have a FFP loss allowance of just £61m. Every decision made next summer would have to bear this in mind. You can't spend because of what's coming ahead and you can only sell. Hence why the squad profile and the signings of SKipp, Ayew, Reid, Coady, Vestergaard et al really become an utter pain because no one is signing those players. 

 

Alongside that, in 25/26 we receive a significant drop off in parachute payments. As we have returned to the Championship with the three year period of which parachute payments apply. 

 

It would be a literal do or die season in the Championship 24/25 with a point deduction due to a near certain FFP breach and the FFP calculation after requires a complete firesale to avoid another punishment in 25/26 regardless of division. 

 

 

Edited 14 January by CosbehFox

[AKCJ]

13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I still have us down as about 50% success rate on transfers since 2023 with a handful as not applicable/jury out:

 

Success:

 

Winks

Hermansen

Mavididi

Fatawu

El Khannouss

Bounanotte 

 

Failures:

 

Coady

Reid

Skipp

Cannon

Akgün

Edouard

 

N/A / jury out:

 

Doyle

Casadei

Ayew

Okoli

 

I'll praise the club for a 50% success rate given it was probably lower than that for 2021/22 and 2022/23 but it's still not where I'd expect it to be and there's a case for both Winks and Mavididi being suspect at this level for us but offset by changes in players fortunes at clubs such as Skipp might go on to do well here but at present looks horrifying business and Ayew has done OK but could go on to be a shrewd signing if we get a few more important goals and points out of him.

 

I think Cannon has to go into the Jurys Out bracket. Difficult to have him down as a failure when there's a good chance we sell him for a profit in the coming weeks.

[Viva]

4 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

The £92m loss on the financial loss is not representative or the same calculation of the FFP loss. Particularly in a season where Covid breaks were given in FFP calculations. 

 

We know between 20/21 to 22/23 we were £19.5m over the Premier League loss allowance of £105m. We will still be carrying two years of that on our next FFP calculation with a reduced loss allowance of £83m plus a season of significantly reduced revenues from the Championship (23/24). 

 

Alongside that, next season we receive a significant drop off in parachute payments. As we have returned to the Championship with the three year period of which parachute payments apply. 

 

It would be a literal do or die season in the Championship 24/25 with a point deduction due to a near certain FFP breach. 

 

 

Surely we will only be carrying over one bad year of losses if we return to the Championship? 2022/23?

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Viva said:

Surely we will only be carrying over one bad year of losses if we return to the Championship? 2022/23?

22/23 - Bad Loss - financial account reports £89.7m loss

23/24 - Championship - reduced loss allowance of £13m 

24/25 - You'd think we do okay 

 

As I have just said in an edited post - the difficulty is the next period 

 

23/24 - Championship - reduced loss allowance of £13m - reduced revenues - decent parachute payment 

24/25 - You'd think we do okay 

25/26 - Championship - reduced loss of £13m - reduced revenues - a lot smaller parachute payment 

 

Every decision you make from the summer of 2025 affects the above. 

 

People question how can Ipswich spend all this money - the signings they made are far more easy to return money from than what we've signed. 

[Ric Flair]

13 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Be interesting if we could compare the same with other clubs in and around us, if anyone can be arsed.

 

What is a good strike rate to ''get it right''? We also won't have the benefit of seeing their new signings week in week out compared to our own but I'm thinking of Everton as an immediate example, they have bought some dog rough players over the past few years. 

I think a strike rate of 75% is good, anything more than that seems highly unrealistic even with favourable transfer budgets.

[Viva]

26 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

22/23 - Bad Loss - financial account reports £89.7m loss

23/24 - Championship - reduced loss allowance of £13m 

24/25 - You'd think we do okay 

 

As I have just said in an edited post - the difficulty is the next period 

 

23/24 - Championship - reduced loss allowance of £13m - reduced revenues - decent parachute payment 

24/25 - You'd think we do okay 

25/26 - Championship - reduced loss of £13m - reduced revenues - a lot smaller parachute payment 

 

Every decision you make from the summer of 2025 affects the above. 

 

People question how can Ipswich spend all this money - the signings they made are far more easy to return money from than what we've signed. 

I would guess there is a fair chance that a sale of maybe Mads this summer could ensure we comply for the three years ending June 2025 if we got relegated. While the revenues and allowance will drop after that, so will the £89.7m loss from the 2022/23 season which will be a big help.

[filbertway]

52 minutes ago, Viva said:

It's too simple to just look at it as a percentage. Three of those failures were loans or on a free, so not a great loss financially. Cannon won't lose us any money when we sell him either. 

The successes were big and got us promoted and could help us to stay in this league. Would make a good profit on them overall too if sold. 

Imagine we didn't get promoted spending about 80-90m on wages and spending 40-50m on transfers

 

[Viva]

1 minute ago, filbertway said:

Imagine we didn't get promoted spending about 80-90m on wages and spending 40-50m on transfers

 

If we hadn't tried everything to get promoted, we would be sat towards the bottom end of the Championship now playing the kids! We spent the money and went for it, which was the right thing to do.