Climate Change - a poll

[leicsmac]

https://phys.org/news/2026-06-odds-climb-el-nio-25c.html

 

https://phys.org/news/2026-06-freshwater-boundary-breach-deepens-climate.html

 

The latest. 

 

https://phys.org/news/2026-06-fragmented-environmental-policies-failures-experts.html

 

https://phys.org/news/2026-06-greater-international-cooperation-global-forest.html

 

A reminder of just how few favours being tribal and divided does our species or its future. 

[grobyfox1990]

None of it was justified as climate policy. It was insurance. An electron can be sourced from coal, gas, sun, wind, or uranium; a combustion engine is married to a single fuel that must cross someone else’s chokepoint. Electrification is the purchase of optionality, and China bought more of it than any nation in history.

The happy clappers (unlike China) fail to understand that ‘green’ policies are about building resilience and varied profitable revenue streams. These people actual listen to cretins like Farage and probably believe what they read on twitter

 

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8jde20v83o

 

Four days of extreme rain and landslides in the Indonesian island of Sumatra have pushed the world's most endangered great apes even closer to extinction, says a study.

Research suggests that 58 of less than 800 critically endangered Tapanuli orangutans, or around 7% of the total species, were killed as a result of the extreme weather event last November.

Those are conservative figures, and do not take into account rain-induced canopy damage or reduced food availability, said the authors of the study, external published on Wednesday.

 

Well, that's grim. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

The artificial ice pyramids saving India's mountain villages - BBC News

 

https://share.google/79w40KghADutj1cX4

 

 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

The artificial ice pyramids saving India's mountain villages - BBC News

 

https://share.google/79w40KghADutj1cX4

 

 

It's been thought for at least the last decade that the glaciers of Kashmir are going to become a major vital resource flashpoint. 

[CornwallFox]

Temperatures in the Antarctic climbed above 15C this month, shattering the previous winter heat record for the usually frozen region and raising concerns about the speed of climate breakdown.

 

The new winter peak temperature was logged by the Argentinian Esperanza base on the Trinity peninsula on 6 June amid a protracted heatwave, when the maximum daily temperature exceeded zero degrees for three consecutive weeks.

 

Scientists said the high of 15.4C broke the previous record set at the same station in 1998 by 2C. “This is absolutely crazy,” said Raúl Cordero, an Ecuadorian climate professor at the University of Groningen. “It is also about 20C above normal for this time of the year. That is a huge anomaly.”

 

Unusually strong warm winds from the north blew across much of the Antarctic peninsula. One Chilean weather station, Boonen Rivera, registered temperatures of close to 13C, Cordero said.

On King George Island, 100 miles (160km) from Esperanza, researchers said the landscape had changed from mostly white to brown, grey and green after temperatures hit 4.6C on 6 June.

“Last weekend was very strange. The temperatures here went very high so everything outside melted,” said Luis Muñoz, a Chilean glaciologist. “Usually there is 20cm of snow and a lot of ice on the ground at this time.”

 

Muñoz said he and a colleague, Natalia Mestre, climbed to the 500-metre peak of the nearby Collins glacier last Wednesday and were surprised to find rain melting the ice. “There was a direct impact on the glacier, which should be receiving snow now. It should not be suffering ablation at this time of the year. This is obviously not good for the glacier.”

 

The Antarctic region is coming under increasing human pressure, directly in the form of resource exploration and tourism and indirectly through the burning of fossil fuels, which is heating the planet.

 

Scientists warn that some of the region’s biggest glaciers, such as Thwaites and Pine Island, are approaching or may even have passed a tipping point that could push up global sea levels by four metres. Antarctic ice melt has also been found to slow global ocean circulation.

 

Cordero said a single winter of heatwaves, no matter how amazing, would not by itself make a huge difference to sea levels, but it signified more alarming long-term trends. “This heatwave happened because of extremely strong westerlies,” he said. “This has been happening with increasing frequency since the 1980s, and that is known to be related to climate change.”

[leicsmac]

The poles in particular are bearing the first brunt.

 

Soon, a lot of other places will. 

[CornwallFox]

50 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The poles in particular are bearing the first brunt.

 

Soon, a lot of other places will. 

Things are moving so quickly. This last five years have seen all sorts of anomalies and records across the globe. It's starting to get pretty scary when you think this is just the start. 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Things are moving so quickly. This last five years have seen all sorts of anomalies and records across the globe. It's starting to get pretty scary when you think this is just the start. 

It's been scary for the last two decades. 

 

That being said, there is still time to both limit and mitigate the worst possible effects that are on the way. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

10 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It's been scary for the last two decades. 

 

That being said, there is still time to both limit and mitigate the worst possible effects that are on the way. 

I'm not sure there is time really. This is a feedback loop that's just beginning. 

 

Still America and Russia will be happy as shipping lanes will open up, forget humanity.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I'm not sure there is time really. This is a feedback loop that's just beginning. 

 

Still America and Russia will be happy as shipping lanes will open up, forget humanity.

Nah, I have to believe that there is time for a "Claw-Back" (perhaps @Trav Le Bleu might get that reference), because if you're right then the death, suffering and displacement of a great deal of life is inevitable, rather than merely likely, and what's the point of it all then?

[Trav Le Bleu]

19 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I'm not sure there is time really. This is a feedback loop that's just beginning. 

 

Still America and Russia will be happy as shipping lanes will open up, forget humanity.

They'll love it when even more people start moving north.

 

Possibly a few sane Americans to Canada?

[Trav Le Bleu]

17 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Nah, I have to believe that there is time for a "Claw-Back" (perhaps @Trav Le Bleu might get that reference), because if you're right then the death, suffering and displacement of a great deal of life is inevitable, rather than merely likely, and what's the point of it all then?

I'm not sure I get the reference unless you're using a bear analogy?

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I'm not sure I get the reference unless you're using a bear analogy?

2040's, Faro Automated Solutions repairing a lot of the damage that climate change had done. 

 

Shame about what happened next, really. 

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Nah, I have to believe that there is time for a "Claw-Back" (perhaps @Trav Le Bleu might get that reference), because if you're right then the death, suffering and displacement of a great deal of life is inevitable, rather than merely likely, and what's the point of it all then?

We can’t know for sure what the planet will do to try and slow down the warming. What we do know is that it will try. Mainly via ocean currents but also potential new climatic patterns that will render some areas completely inhospitable and others just about ok at a similar latitude.  We’re going to need a lot of work in desalination technology re upscaling. If the consequences weren’t so dire then it would be fascinating to watch what ensues. of course it will be a slow process and this of us over the age of 50 probably won’t see it play out to any great extent. We will see the inexorable rise in temps though. 
 

Likely that commercially generated nuclear fusion is our last chance if it arrives within the next 10/15 years. 

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

We can’t know for sure what the planet will do to try and slow down the warming. What we do know is that it will try. Mainly via ocean currents but also potential new climatic patterns that will render some areas completely inhospitable and others just about ok at a similar latitude.  We’re going to need a lot of work in desalination technology re upscaling. If the consequences weren’t so dire then it would be fascinating to watch what ensues. of course it will be a slow process and this of us over the age of 50 probably won’t see it play out to any great extent. We will see the inexorable rise in temps though. 
 

Likely that commercially generated nuclear fusion is our last chance if it arrives within the next 10/15 years. 

A new equilibrium will be established - that's a certainty, and it's happened multiple times before. 

 

It will however cost a toll of lives, human and otherwise, that will be...pretty high. 

 

I think that getting off reliance for any combustion related power generation, as a matter of urgency, could at least buy time. Renewables have shown that they can at least partly help there, but as for the remainder the only logical choice is fission, at least for the time being. 

 

Fusion would of course be the miracle deliverance, but the problems getting it to actually work in a way that is useful are well-documented.

[ajthefox]

14 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Things are moving so quickly. This last five years have seen all sorts of anomalies and records across the globe. It's starting to get pretty scary when you think this is just the start. 

It's not the only reason but it's a significant factor as to why I don't want kids.

 

It speaks to my personal viewpoint on humanity and I know many will disagree but it just doesn't sit right with me. 

 

Mass migration, food shortages and water shortages are going to be more common even if we do adapt reasonably well.

 

[Wymsey]

If the government was genuinely concerned about climate change, they should quite regularly advise the general public and businesses of recommendations in what anyone can do in their lives to try and change things.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Wymsey said:

If the government was genuinely concerned about climate change, they should quite regularly advise the general public and businesses of recommendations in what anyone can do in their lives to try and change things.

I think the UK governments and a lot of other ones do this, but quite frankly some people choose not to listen and some don't even think there's a problem at all in spite of the copious evidence.

 

TBH, I think more direct legislation that is enforced, rather than simple advice, is called for.

[Wymsey]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I think the UK governments and a lot of other ones do this, but quite frankly some people choose not to listen and some don't even think there's a problem at all in spite of the copious evidence.

 

TBH, I think more direct legislation that is enforced, rather than simple advice, is called for.

Like what, though; restricting daily electricity and water usage etc to households to a certain amount?

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Like what, though; restricting daily electricity and water usage etc to households to a certain amount?

There's no need for such quotas on individuals (thankfully for the time being), more legislation regarding power generation itself and actually getting the infrastructure in place, as well as being at the forefront of global initiatives for everyone else to do the same. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

The irony of the cohort that use "1976" as a cover all to deny climate change are approaching the age where they drop dead because of extreme heat.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The irony of the cohort that use "1976" as a cover all to deny climate change are approaching the age where they drop dead because of extreme heat.

And in 1976 they would likely have been in the best health of their lives. 

 

Survivorship bias. 

[LCFCJohn]

19 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

The irony of the cohort that use "1976" as a cover all to deny climate change are approaching the age where they drop dead because of extreme heat.

 

15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And in 1976 they would likely have been in the best health of their lives. 

 

Survivorship bias. 

True. They didn’t give a crap then and don’t now. You’d think they’d case about their kids and grandkids though….

 

It does feel like we are reaching a point where many young people are now thinking about these things more deeply and with care. But what chance do we have with the likes of Putin and Trump as well as the right wing agenda sweeping through Europe? 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

 

True. They didn’t give a crap then and don’t now. You’d think they’d case about their kids and grandkids though….

 

It does feel like we are reaching a point where many young people are now thinking about these things more deeply and with care. But what chance do we have with the likes of Putin and Trump as well as the right wing agenda sweeping through Europe? 

Well, it's either do what we can or be held responsible for all the consequences that come by those who are left alive. They won't be discerning about who they hold accountable, not given the world we would leave to them.