Harry Winks

[turkish14]

12 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

Play it down as much as you like but the insta post was intended to be inflammatory and if you go looking for trouble, don’t complain if you find it.

What did hamza do recently?

 

social media interaction with Sheffield united players, after they beat us? 
 

Over the years..

caught driving under the influence, Covid party with other players.. sure there are more examples.

 

im not suggesting we boo hamza, just pointing out other players have “disrespected the club” (proven) but are viewed differently.

 

throw in mahrez sulking at the airport too. 

Edited 31 January by turkish14

[Legend_in_blue]

This bloke has cost us roughly £720 000 in wages since he last played eight weeks ago.

 

Let that sink in.

 

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Edited 31 January by Legend_in_blue

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1 minute ago, MGLCFC said:

Yes, I do, but neither you or I know the details behind the problem. On the surface Winks' behaviour is totally unacceptable. This alleged behaviour happened whilst King was part of the management team. So for King to bring him back, maybe he feels the issue was more the previous managers rather than Winks. Saying Winks is a cancer is just an opinion, and for the record I tend to agree with you, but how many players have come out and said so. All I'm saying, is based on what I saw today, he improved the performance when he came on. Yes we conceded 2 goals (neither his fault) but we looked more threatening and had Ayew converted the penalty, I think we may have got something from the game.

For me, it’s purely on the message it sends to the wider team and youth. But I’m leaving it here now bud as I think we’ll keep reiterating our stances. 

[MGLCFC]

Just now, Legend_in_blue said:

This bloke has cost us roughly £720 000 in wages since he last played.

 

Let that sink in.

 

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Yes shocking - but he was available for selection according to King.

[turkish14]

3 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Not the Aperol that's the issue is it. Looks like we have a lot of cucks in our fan base who needs to develop a bit of self respect.

No I have plenty of self respect. I just happen to be able to see others views and perspectives, without judgement, something you are not able to grasp.
 

I also see the inconsistency shown to some players that differ from

others that have “disrespected the club”

 

I also understand enough that whilst I’ve been a season ticket holder for 19 years, and it’s shit currently, my frustrations with a players performance doesn’t centre around what they put on social media or how they have allegedly behaved. 
 

But if some fans still want to judge, assume, rant and be angry on

a Saturday night, so be it.

[Legend_in_blue]

1 minute ago, MGLCFC said:

Yes shocking - but he was available for selection according to King.

 

There was discontent around here with the higher earners when we neared administration years ago.

 

This guy though, another level.  And fans shouldn't chase after him either for autographs.

 

The damage is done though unfortunately - he won't give it back.

[Number 6]

1 minute ago, turkish14 said:

No I have plenty of self respect. I just happen to be able to see others views and perspectives, without judgement, something you are not able to grasp.
 

I also see the inconsistency shown to some players that differ from

others that have “disrespected the club”

 

I also understand enough that whilst I’ve been a season ticket holder for 19 years, and it’s shit currently, my frustrations with a players performance doesn’t centre around what they put on social media or how they have allegedly behaved. 
 

But if some fans still want to judge, assume, rant and be angry on

a Saturday night, so be it.

Is there anything a player could do that would make you think they shouldn't play for us anymore? Even if still contracted and "available". Or is it that if they're slightly better than other players then pick them anyway?

[turkish14]

9 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Is there anything a player could do that would make you think they shouldn't play for us anymore? Even if still contracted and "available". Or is it that if they're slightly better than other players then pick them anyway?

Let me ask you 

 

after Hamza love in with a Sheffield united player, after they beat us, should he have been selected? Been Boo’s? Was this not disrespectful to the club?

 

when the same player was caught driving under the influence, should he have been

banished from the 1st team? Being a family club, was this not disrespectful to the club?

 

is hosting a Covid party that made the media, with other players, was this not disrespecting the club? 
 

fans have a mob mentality, can be inconsistent and make judgements. I tend to look at the bigger picture and what I view as being the best for the club. Winks is head and shoulders one of our best players. 
 

I won’t get a strop over a social media post and alleged behaviour (not confirmed), particularly when the managers he had (allegedly) clashed with have both been shit. 
 

 

I’ll also add, we live in a world where people want to be angry, people want to blame, people want to hate. I see it home and away in the stands. Yes we are shit at the minute, yes poor choices have been made, yes some players need moving on. 
 

but **** me, booing our own players when we need points, is bonkers.

Edited 31 January by turkish14

[Number 6]

2 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

Let me ask you 

 

after Hamza love in with a Sheffield united player, after they beat us, should he have been selected? Been Boo’s? Was this not disrespectful to the club?

 

when the same player was caught driving under the influence, should he have been

banished from the 1st team? Being a family club, was this not disrespectful to the club?

 

is hosting a Covid party that made the media, with other players, was this not disrespecting the club? 
 

fans have a mob mentality, can be inconsistent and make judgements. I tend to look at the bigger picture and what I view as being the best for the club. Winks is head and shoulders one of our best players. 
 

I won’t get a strop over a social media post and alleged behaviour (not confirmed), particularly when the managers he had (allegedly) clashed with have both been shit. 

Then we're only heading one way.

 

Over those 19 years you've seen what having a good culture can lead to. What was built by Pearson, Walsh, and Shakespeare. What happened when Sven signed mercenaries. Our biggest mistake has been ditching the no dickheads policy we had in place.

 

It's not time for hair of the dog. We need to stop drinking and get clean.

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24 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Is there anything a player could do that would make you think they shouldn't play for us anymore? Even if still contracted and "available". Or is it that if they're slightly better than other players then pick them anyway?

Ayew’s penalty.

[Foxin_Mad]

14 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Then we're only heading one way.

 

Over those 19 years you've seen what having a good culture can lead to. What was built by Pearson, Walsh, and Shakespeare. What happened when Sven signed mercenaries. Our biggest mistake has been ditching the no dickheads policy we had in place.

 

It's not time for hair of the dog. We need to stop drinking and get clean.

Thing is the whole philosophy of the club with this tippy tappy elite football belief sets up the kind of player we get. Realistically a player who is really good on the ball will not be at Leicester, at least not long term. As a result we’ve signed players who can pass in perfect conditions but a match isn’t perfect. We’ve become obsessed with a system. The players we have are not top level else they wouldn’t be here, but we’ve paid them on the basis that they.meet the pass philosophy. Unfortunately they have huge failings in mentality which is why they aren’t elite. We instead need raw grafters, people with something to prove.

Edited 31 January by Foxin_Mad

[Dollfhin]

Proved again today why he's a level above our club at the moment.

 

Not happy with his attitude but when he does play he's clearly the best on the pitch.

[Number 6]

8 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Thing is the whole philosophy of the club with this tippy tappy elite football belief sets up the kind of player we get. Realistically a player who is really good on the ball will not be at Leicester, at least not long term. As a result we’ve signed players who can pass in perfect conditions but a match isn’t perfect. We’ve become obsessed with a system. The players we have are not top level else they wouldn’t be here, but we’ve paid them on the basis that they.meet the pass philosophy. Unfortunately they have huge failings in mentality which is why they aren’t elite. We instead need raw grafters, people with something to prove.

Completely agree. I think a club of our size need to be really wary of putting all our eggs in one basket philosophy wise. A good blend of youth, experience, technical, physical - with attitude probably being the bit that underpins the whole thing.

[Reg Vardy]

Love him or hate him, he was better on the ball than all of our midfielders, and put a shift in….we have never needed him more, are paying him whether he plays or not so let’s use him. He will start at Birmingham……are we all good mates with the people we work with or do we do it for the money….similarly do our bosses like us, or pay us to do the job….I suspect it’s the latter

[inckley fox]

1 minute ago, Reg Vardy said:

Love him or hate him, he was better on the ball than all of our midfielders, and put a shift in….we have never needed him more, are paying him whether he plays or not so let’s use him. He will start at Birmingham……are we all good mates with the people we work with or do we do it for the money….similarly do our bosses like us, or pay us to do the job….I suspect it’s the latter

Our results have been considerably worse when he's started than when he hasn't. And he's been an absolute nightmare for the last three managers. But he comes on and does kind of alright in a dreadful team performance, and people are calling for us to welcome him back all over again. This mentality, and unwillingness to learn from past mistakes, is a huge part of our problem.

 

Boardroom issues aside, on the field our biggest problem has long been the culture and the standards around the place. That's painfully obvious. Ruud may have been an awful manager but he has enough standing in the game for it to be worth listening to him when he says that our standards are nowhere near high enough. Winks has probably been one of the most culpable when it comes to that side of things.

 

People want a Pearson-type figure to come in and kick arses. Sideline the time-wasters and the piss-takers. The notion that we should start building the side around Winks again - based on today's game, and nothing else - when he's coming to the end of his deal and clearly doesn't want to be here, is massively at odds with that. You can't want both a Pearson-esque overhaul and to see Harry Winks play any sort of significant role. These things can't possibly co-exist. And we shouldn't want them to either.

[Raj]

Has he been given the keys to the  city yet and enhanced contract for his MOTM performance? 

[turkish14]

1 hour ago, Number 6 said:

Then we're only heading one way.

 

Over those 19 years you've seen what having a good culture can lead to. What was built by Pearson, Walsh, and Shakespeare. What happened when Sven signed mercenaries. Our biggest mistake has been ditching the no dickheads policy we had in place.

 

It's not time for hair of the dog. We need to stop drinking and get clean.

Should we have ditched mahrez when

he was AWOL at the airport? 

[Muzzy_no7]

He was the best player on the pitch today, no doubt.

[Mike Oxlong]

Don’t like his antics but I thought he improved us when he came on. We are down to the bare bones and avoiding relegation is the imperative in our position, particularly as we will lose PL parachute payments for next season if relegated which would be disastrous. He should be considered for selection on playing/performance merit/general attitude until the end of the season. If he improves us in matches and shows the right approach until the end of the season then we should select him. His motive may be to put himself in the shop window for a new club or simply to avoid having relegation to League One on his CV but it’s all about maximising our chances to stay up now and I believe we are more likely to do that with an engaged and performing Winks as opposed to fielding a midfield that includes Hamza. Obviously once JJ and Skipp return it may result in Winks being on the bench but selection should be based on present merit and performance rather than previous fall outs. 

 

I want a return to Pearson level standards but would prefer the rebuild to be from this division supported by the PL parachute money rather than from League One on an even more restricted budget. 

 

[HP1]

4 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

Should we have ditched mahrez when

he was AWOL at the airport? 

To be fair, that was a one off incident from a world class player who had already played a major part in our Premier league title win, and deep down we knew it was time for him to move on. Harry winks has shown a petulant attitude on and off for the best part of 2 years, despite providing very little return for his abundant rewards.

[fox_favourite]

Harry Winks will be exploding tonight when he's alone reading that news story on Enzo 

[turkish14]

6 minutes ago, HP1 said:

To be fair, that was a one off incident from a world class player who had already played a major part in our Premier league title win, and deep down we knew it was time for him to move on. Harry winks has shown a petulant attitude on and off for the best part of 2 years, despite providing very little return for his abundant rewards.

Again, other then a poorly timed social media post, and an Enzo banner everything else is rumour & conjecture. 
 

But we all love a scapegoat, when other players have shown (in my opinion) more disrespectful behaviour. 

[HP1]

3 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

Again, other then a poorly timed social media post, and an Enzo banner everything else is rumour & conjecture. 
 

But we all love a scapegoat, when other players have shown (in my opinion) more disrespectful behaviour. 

He fell out with 3 out of the last 4 managers. I guess they all made him the scapegoat as well.

[turkish14]

4 minutes ago, HP1 said:

He fell out with 3 out of the last 4 managers. I guess they all made him the scapegoat as well.

Maybe he fell out over standards? Are we really basing a fall out over 3 shitty managers? 
 

even if true, I don’t boo our players.

[HP1]

1 minute ago, turkish14 said:

Maybe he fell out over standards? Are we really basing a fall out over 3 shitty managers? 
 

even if true, I don’t boo our players.

Yeah don't think I would boo the players either. Either way, he hasn't behaved like a well paid professional should in the last 18 months, with his sulking on the pitch at Huddersfield, storming off down the tunnel at Preston after the game, aside from the incidents you previously mentioned.