Percy article enzo set to stay, vardy and vesty new deals

[Phenom]

18 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Did it this season, with this manager? 

 

Rodgers scars are deep.

In the Premier League when we’re far from the most talented side in the league?

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Phenom said:

In the Premier League when we’re far from the most talented side in the league?

So why begin by deconstructing what was the most talented side in the qualifying division?

[Supergray22]

6 hours ago, STUHILL said:

I wouldn't offer Vestergaard a new contract but I can see why Enzo has. 

I was hoping Enzo would be ruthless this Summer, but not many Managers are and I can see Enzo's own logic in renewing his contract. 

Just hope that he will be our 4th choice and back-up, with x2 starting CBs coming in. 

I fear though that vesty needs to be playing week in and week out to keep match fit and sharp like most people. I think he has been great this season but he will be targeted more in the premier. I hope that we don’t regret this very quickly. Hopefully Enzo has a plan. Not just the rush defence employed this season against less talented opposition. 

[Babylon]

39 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Maybe let him go and start playing Nelson 

Maybe the manager doesn't rate him higher than Vestergaard, otherwise he'd have been playing instead of Vestergaard. 

[Chelmofox]

28 minutes ago, Phenom said:

In the Premier League when we’re far from the most talented side in the league?

The aim is to be anything above 17th. You know we aren’t going to be top 8 right?

[scinnell]

Vesty has been one of our best players this season, and fully deserves his new contract. If Enzo wants to keep him as it suits his style, then that's all I need to know and I'll give him another chance at this level in a very different system. Really important we sign a fast CB, but three CB's should help nullify Vestys lack of pace that was exposed in the Bodgers days. Yes, he is going to cost us goals, along with others, but he is a crucial piece to how Enzo wants to play. 

[themightyfin]

I seem to remember we did ok in 2015-16 with Morgan and Huth.

 

Neither were blessed with pace yet we found a system to play that didn't expose that weakness.

 

There are many more attributes to playing football than pace.

 

We just have to trust Enzo finds the right system to cope with that in his game and to be fair he didn't do too bad this season.

 

We all know money is going to be super tight and the net spend will be tiny if not zero so giving him a year or two on a Lower wage which he no doubt will be on, is a no brainer.

 

What's the alternative?

 

We replace him?

That would involve a transfer fee.

Possible signing bonus clauses.

A longer committed contract and agents fees. 

 

I'm a perfect worldyes of course we would all like to replace him for a younger player with not only potential to improve but also be ready to slot straight into the team in the Prem.

 

But those players are few and far between and certainly not cheap of availableat all.

 

Have people forgotten the financial mess we are in/have been in ? 

 

This is not football manager and upgrades all over the pitch are simply not going to be possible. 

 

In certain positions we are just going to have to make do with what we have. 

 

That's the reality We find ourselves in.  

 

 

[scinnell]

The more important thing for me is sorting out this set piece issue. It is really important that we sign a player, who can deliver a quality set piece that beats the first man at corners and makes us a threat. 

[Chelmofox]

2 minutes ago, scinnell said:

The more important thing for me is sorting out this set piece issue. It is really important that we sign a player, who can deliver a quality set piece that beats the first man at corners and makes us a threat. 

We have no depth in midfield, no cover for winks and KDH (who might be off anyway) and no first choice 10. There are far bigger priorities upfield. 

[scinnell]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

We have no depth in midfield, no cover for winks and KDH (who might be off anyway) and no first choice 10. There are far bigger priorities upfield. 

Yes, I agree. There is a number of different priorities and our lack of depth is something I've said before. But buying a quality set piece taker is a must. 

[themightyfin]

2 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

We have no depth in midfield, no cover for winks and KDH (who might be off anyway) and no first choice 10. There are far bigger priorities upfield. 

We don't play with a 10. 

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, themightyfin said:

We don't play with a 10. 

Sorry, what ever number people associate with what Ndidi plays. I get confused with the numbers. 

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Can see us going 3 at the back with Jannik in the middle

 

Rodgers never made it work with Jannik, nor tried in earnest.  So 

We sort of play that system now but I think it would need to be further tweaked to protect the defence and midfield better.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

We sort of play that system now but I think it would need to be further tweaked to protect the defence and midfield better.

I meant a more defined, less dynamic at RB, or maybe Enzo will go fully mental and having RB and LB as dropping into midfield ...?

[Taz_The_Fox]

9 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Sorry, what ever number people associate with what Ndidi plays. I get confused with the numbers. 

 

An attacking 8 maybe... So somewhere between an 8 and a 10, so a No.9? No wait that doesn't work. 

[foxinsocks]

33 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Maybe the manager doesn't rate him higher than Vestergaard, otherwise he'd have been playing instead of Vestergaard. 

Clearly.

But vesty isnt the future is he... at some point Nelson needs trying

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Clearly.

But vesty isnt the future is he... at some point Nelson needs trying

My viewpoint is that players are "tried" every day in training. Seeing them in the team is nothing more than satisfying ourselves of thier ability. The manager should already know without that. 

[MattFox]

33 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

I seem to remember we did ok in 2015-16 with Morgan and Huth.

 

Neither were blessed with pace yet we found a system to play that didn't expose that weakness.

 

There are many more attributes to playing football than pace.

 

We just have to trust Enzo finds the right system to cope with that in his game and to be fair he didn't do too bad this season.

 

We all know money is going to be super tight and the net spend will be tiny if not zero so giving him a year or two on a Lower wage which he no doubt will be on, is a no brainer.

 

What's the alternative?

 

We replace him?

That would involve a transfer fee.

Possible signing bonus clauses.

A longer committed contract and agents fees. 

 

I'm a perfect worldyes of course we would all like to replace him for a younger player with not only potential to improve but also be ready to slot straight into the team in the Prem.

 

But those players are few and far between and certainly not cheap of availableat all.

 

Have people forgotten the financial mess we are in/have been in ? 

 

This is not football manager and upgrades all over the pitch are simply not going to be possible. 

 

In certain positions we are just going to have to make do with what we have. 

 

That's the reality We find ourselves in.  

 

 

They had the best holding midfielder in the world in front of them though

 

Leagues very different now days too

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, Phenom said:

In the Premier League when we’re far from the most talented side in the league?

 

Organisation is massively important when it comes to defending. Far, far more than an individual. 

 

Rodgers couldn't organise a defence if his life depended on it. I think it's quite significant that the further we got from Puel's reign, the worse the defence got every year. 

 

Any time we lost the ball under Rodgers we were instantly ****ed. 

 

Maresca's system has a huge emphasis on recovery. Nearly every time we give the ball away, there's multiple players around ready to recover the ball. There's shorter distances between the players and nearly always five players, in organised positions, ready to recover the ball. 

 

Absolutely worlds apart from last time we were in the Prem. 

 

[Bert]

42 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

I seem to remember we did ok in 2015-16 with Morgan and Huth.

 

Neither were blessed with pace yet we found a system to play that didn't expose that weakness.

 

There are many more attributes to playing football than pace.

 

We just have to trust Enzo finds the right system to cope with that in his game and to be fair he didn't do too bad this season.

 

We all know money is going to be super tight and the net spend will be tiny if not zero so giving him a year or two on a Lower wage which he no doubt will be on, is a no brainer.

 

What's the alternative?

 

We replace him?

That would involve a transfer fee.

Possible signing bonus clauses.

A longer committed contract and agents fees. 

 

I'm a perfect worldyes of course we would all like to replace him for a younger player with not only potential to improve but also be ready to slot straight into the team in the Prem.

 

But those players are few and far between and certainly not cheap of availableat all.

 

Have people forgotten the financial mess we are in/have been in ? 

 

This is not football manager and upgrades all over the pitch are simply not going to be possible. 

 

In certain positions we are just going to have to make do with what we have. 

 

That's the reality We find ourselves in.  

 

 

Which was fine because we didn’t try and dominate the ball and leave the centre halves exposed and instead sat deep and played on the counter. How many times this season were we playing and Vestergaard was the deepest outfield player, and he was on the halfway line? Plenty. You only need to see the two Blackburn goals as a prime example. 
 

Enzo must find that way like you say, but if this season is anything to by with his comments, that’s unlikely to change any time soon. 

 

[Ric Flair]

15 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

I seem to remember we did ok in 2015-16 with Morgan and Huth.

 

Neither were blessed with pace yet we found a system to play that didn't expose that weakness.

 

There are many more attributes to playing football than pace.

 

We just have to trust Enzo finds the right system to cope with that in his game and to be fair he didn't do too bad this season.

 

We all know money is going to be super tight and the net spend will be tiny if not zero so giving him a year or two on a Lower wage which he no doubt will be on, is a no brainer.

 

What's the alternative?

 

We replace him?

That would involve a transfer fee.

Possible signing bonus clauses.

A longer committed contract and agents fees. 

 

I'm a perfect worldyes of course we would all like to replace him for a younger player with not only potential to improve but also be ready to slot straight into the team in the Prem.

 

But those players are few and far between and certainly not cheap of availableat all.

 

Have people forgotten the financial mess we are in/have been in ? 

 

This is not football manager and upgrades all over the pitch are simply not going to be possible. 

 

In certain positions we are just going to have to make do with what we have. 

 

That's the reality We find ourselves in.  

 

 

Enzo is aware we need to add pace in to the back line, he's referenced it several times. What's curious is he knows this and yet the two defensive signings under his watch last season are pretty slow in Doyle and Coady. Both's lack of pace was used as a reason for them not playing as much with Vestergaard and Faes.

 

He probably thought their other qualities were more important at the time and maybe so but the PL in a possession based system and with defending a high line will require 2 of the 4 to be quick at least. I can see why we have been linked with this Gabriel Pereira and likewise Nathan Zeze. 

 

The promising thing is Ben Nelson for his size is very mobile so in time I think he has a major role at Leicester under this regime.

[Ric Flair]

33 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I meant a more defined, less dynamic at RB, or maybe Enzo will go fully mental and having RB and LB as dropping into midfield ...?

We could look to go 3-4-3 

[ealingfox]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

No you are right we should just let him go and then spread our already likely limited budget even further on getting another replacement. 

 

Yes you're right mate more of this on a player with no resale value is the height of good budgeting

 

[Chelmofox]

38 minutes ago, Taz_The_Fox said:

 

An attacking 8 maybe... So somewhere between an 8 and a 10, so a No.9? No wait that doesn't work. 

ha ha! Whatever, that place where Enzo played Ndidi (and we lost Cassadei). He's played Ndidi, Yunus, Riccy and Kasey there. Riccy generally found himself injured when he played there and will be needed for the inverted rb role, Ndidi and Yunus have gone. We have gaping holes there.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, ealingfox said:

 

Yes you're right mate more of this on a player with no resale value is the height of good budgeting

 

Yeah just replace him with the same quarterback output for 3.6m a year + transfer fee, that seems easily achievable