US Presidential Election 2024

[WigstonWanderer]

29 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh fair, it is worth a watch, only 25 mins long. I mainly watched it because I thought the Fox host would be the typical embarrassing shouty mess. But he was quite professional! Kamala talked over him a lot which I thought let her down  

He talked over her quite a bit as well. I’ll get round to the full thing eventually.

Edited 17 October 2024 by WigstonWanderer

[Detroit Blues]

14 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

It was in 1995, I was studying at MSU. I lived on campus so my exposure to regular people was limited, but I think it's fair to say it was ultra-conservative, old-fashioned and at that time, gay people could not admit they were gay - no idea if it is still like that.

 

Small world! I lived and studied there 2006-2009. I assume you were doing study abroad or something?

 

As for its current politics, the student and faculty population is obviously super liberal/progressive. As is parts of Lansing, they have a few particular neighborhoods that are very LGBTQ friendly and vibrant. The rest of Mid-Michigan though, is exactly as you remember it. 

 

 

[MPH]

Don’t worry guys it’s all been forgiven and forgotten and they’ve become good mates. Here’s to a new era of love and friendship for all!

 

 

 

 

 

[leicsmac]

23 minutes ago, MPH said:

Don’t worry guys it’s all been forgiven and forgotten and they’ve become good mates. Here’s to a new era of love and friendship for all!

 

 

 

 

 

The horrors of AI laid bare.

[fox_up_north]

"We are merely exchanging long protein strings. If you can think of a better way to do it, I'd like to hear it"

 

[HighPeakFox]

4 hours ago, Detroit Blues said:

 

Small world! I lived and studied there 2006-2009. I assume you were doing study abroad or something?

 

As for its current politics, the student and faculty population is obviously super liberal/progressive. As is parts of Lansing, they have a few particular neighborhoods that are very LGBTQ friendly and vibrant. The rest of Mid-Michigan though, is exactly as you remember it. 

 

 

Yes, I was invited to do a PG course there, induced by dollars. Bad mistake by me, it wasn't the right time or place for me.

[bovril]

On 16/10/2024 at 21:43, HighPeakFox said:

I lived there for 4 months. It was cold.

It's where like 90% of people in the US with my surname live. A few more over the border in Ontario. I'm not sure this is something to be proud of, from what people have told me possibly not. 

[Jattdogg]

56 minutes ago, bovril said:

It's where like 90% of people in the US with my surname live. A few more over the border in Ontario. I'm not sure this is something to be proud of, from what people have told me possibly not. 

Bloody inbreds lol.

 

 

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

It's where like 90% of people in the US with my surname live. A few more over the border in Ontario. I'm not sure this is something to be proud of, from what people have told me possibly not. 

I never met a single person named Bovril in my 4 months there. Bloody liar!

[bovril]

15 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I never met a single person named Bovril in my 4 months there. Bloody liar!

It got changed to their place of birth when arriving at Ellis island  . Unfortunately they came from Burnt Dick, Essex. 

[ajthefox]

Musk and MTG claiming voting machines are dodgy despite Fox settling at $787M for their claims about the machines at the 2020 election.

 

Staggeringly, Musk suggests we shouldn't trust a computer program...

 

Quote

During a town hall in Pennsylvania to promote Donald Trump’s campaign on Thursday, the world’s wealthiest man rattled off a series of false claims about elections, including alluding to a conspiracy theory that Dominion was part of a plot to rig the election against Trump.

 

“When you have mail-in ballots and no proof of citizenship, it’s almost impossible to prove cheating,” he said. “Statistically there are some very strange things that happen that are statistically incredibly unlikely. There’s always this question of, say, the Dominion voting machines. It is weird that, I think, they were used in Philadelphia and in Maricopa County [Arizona] but not in a lot of other places. Doesn’t that seem like a heck of a coincidence?”

 

He added that “the last thing I would do is trust a computer program.”

The following day, Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia claimed that a Dominion machine “changed” a voter’s ballot in her district. Early voting in the state started this week.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/elon-musk-dominion-marjorie-taylor-greene-b2631928.html

 

https://apnews.com/article/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trial-trump-2020-0ac71f75acfacc52ea80b3e747fb0afe

[Lionator]

I know it doesn’t work like this, but looking at the nationwide polls, in 2020, Biden was leading by about 7-9% which was enough to win. In 2016, Clinton was leading between 3-5% which ultimately was not a big enough lead to take the electoral college. This time around Harris is leading by 1-2% and that lead seems to be reducing in the past few weeks. I really think it’s going to be difficult for her to win. 
 

538 gives Trump a 52% chance of winning. It is a toss up but the trend is not good for Harris

Edited 20 October 2024 by Lionator

[leicsmac]

37 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I know it doesn’t work like this, but looking at the nationwide polls, in 2020, Biden was leading by about 7-9% which was enough to win. In 2016, Clinton was leading between 3-5% which ultimately was not a big enough lead to take the electoral college. This time around Harris is leading by 1-2% and that lead seems to be reducing in the past few weeks. I really think it’s going to be difficult for her to win. 
 

538 gives Trump a 52% chance of winning. It is a toss up but the trend is not good for Harris

Yeah, that seems about accurate.

 

Unless the pollsters haven't accounted for something this time round (or have), then it is going to be difficult.

 

How on Earth has it come to this?

[Zear0]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

I know it doesn’t work like this, but looking at the nationwide polls, in 2020, Biden was leading by about 7-9% which was enough to win. In 2016, Clinton was leading between 3-5% which ultimately was not a big enough lead to take the electoral college. This time around Harris is leading by 1-2% and that lead seems to be reducing in the past few weeks. I really think it’s going to be difficult for her to win. 
 

538 gives Trump a 52% chance of winning. It is a toss up but the trend is not good for Harris

He's going to win and I'm trying, and failing, to make my peace with it before November comes. 

[grobyfox1990]

Trumps rally last night was another epic in a series of epics. Spent the first 10-15 mins on meandering anecdotes of Arnold palmer (a native of the town) including first hand locker room accounts on how big his schlong was. Surreal and incredible. 

[Lionator]

54 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

He's going to win and I'm trying, and failing, to make my peace with it before November comes. 

The only consolation for me would be that the neoconservatives would probably be done forever but that’s me clutching at straws and I realise the alternative may be just as bad. 

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Yeah, that seems about accurate.

 

Unless the pollsters haven't accounted for something this time round (or have), then it is going to be difficult.

 

How on Earth has it come to this?

I have little sympathy for the democrats, they needed to offer more in many policy areas. The whole system there is a binfire. If they lose, rather than attacking Trump, they need to start again and restratagise and offer something for the masses. 

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

The only consolation for me would be that the neoconservatives would probably be done forever but that’s me clutching at straws and I realise the alternative may be just as bad. 

On the bigger picture, the alternative is worse. At least the neoconservatives have enough self-preservation to wonder some about the biosphere and how to make it last longer even if their intent is purely exploitative.

 

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

I have little sympathy for the democrats, they needed to offer more in many policy areas. The whole system there is a binfire. If they lose, rather than attacking Trump, they need to start again and restratagise and offer something for the masses. 

Fair point, but when the bad stuff happens (which is will), I'm going to stick the majority of the blame on those doing it and those too apathetic about it to take an effective route to stop it from happening.

[grobyfox1990]

2 hours ago, Lionator said:

I have little sympathy for the democrats, they needed to offer more in many policy areas. The whole system there is a binfire. If they lose, rather than attacking Trump, they need to start again and restratagise and offer something for the masses. 

What have they actually offered? Not a rhetorical question btw. What are their policies, I’m struggling to find anything of substance. 

[Dunge]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg78ljxn8g7o
 

So, apparently this is legal.

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

What have they actually offered? Not a rhetorical question btw. What are their policies, I’m struggling to find anything of substance. 

"Democrats are committed to curbing the effects of climate change, protecting America’s natural resources, and ensuring the quality of our air, water, and land for current and future generations. From investing in clean energy to protecting our ecosystems, Democrats are working to address our biggest environmental challenges, paving the way to a more sustainable America".

 

That's different to the other side in an absolutely critical way. Of course, one might make an argument about how effective the action is rather than the talk.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Dunge said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg78ljxn8g7o
 

So, apparently this is legal.

It's the "oh look, voter corruption is legal as long as the money goes through a few laundry cycles" method.

 

Well, I guess it's a change from good old-fashioned voter suppression of minority groups that is the usual MO.

[Dunge]

22 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

What have they actually offered? Not a rhetorical question btw. What are their policies, I’m struggling to find anything of substance. 

I think it’s increasingly difficult at the moment for centrists (let’s at least call the Democrats relative centrists in a US sense) to offer many new and interesting policies. A lot of centrist policies are recognisable and somewhat dull. And I say that while fundamentally agreeing with most of them.

[grobyfox1990]

46 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

"Democrats are committed to curbing the effects of climate change, protecting America’s natural resources, and ensuring the quality of our air, water, and land for current and future generations. From investing in clean energy to protecting our ecosystems, Democrats are working to address our biggest environmental challenges, paving the way to a more sustainable America".

 

That's different to the other side in an absolutely critical way. Of course, one might make an argument about how effective the action is rather than the talk.

That’s what I mean. What are they actually offering?? An extension of the IRA? Gold plating the SEC proposals? The above reads like page 373 of a ftse 100 annual report. Zero substance, total guff 

[Dunge]

If there’s something I think centrists both here and in America are lacking, it’s a vision. A vision for the future of the country, a destination to reach. Solving climate change should be it, but centrists never been able to separate that from left wing politics.