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[Zear0]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

you are right. But he also takes things very personally and doesn’t forget easily..

I don't disagree, but I don't think for a second this is genuine outrage from him and won't affect the relationship between parties in the slightest. 

 

Besides, he's got a new golf course opening here in 2025 which is all he really cares about. 

[leicsmac]

I was also going to make a point about the turpitude of welcoming a leader who encouraged a coup/insurrection to hold onto power in his country, but then the UK and a lot of other developed countries have previous for that anyway.

[MPH]

Also, it’s probably worth working out whether Farage last came to visit before the official start of the election campeign. Before the start of the election campaign any head of state  or anyone of a political persuasion can visit and heap  praise on the party leader but, and I could be wrong here, I don’t think heads of state  can visit and lavish a leader with praise for this exact reason?

Edited 23 October 2024 by MPH

[kenny]

23 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Wow, a screenshotted Social media post with a Gmail address, I stand corrected.

Perhaps it doesn't bother you but I suspect this crosses a line.

 

It's well reported that many activists go abroad to campaign for who they like but it's different when a government does it.

 

I also think it's different when farage does it as an MP rather than a prospective one.

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

Also, it’s probably worth working out whether Farage last came to visit before the official start of the election campeign. Before the start of the election campaign any head of state  or anyone of a political persuasion can visit and heap  praise on the party leader but, and I could be wrong here, I don’t think heads of state  can visit and lavish a leader with praise for this exact reason?

 

5 minutes ago, kenny said:

Perhaps it doesn't bother you but I suspect this crosses a line.

 

It's well reported that many activists go abroad to campaign for who they like but it's different when a government does it.

 

I also think it's different when farage does it as an MP rather than a prospective one.

His last visit was as a sitting MP, yes.

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[Free Falling Foxes]

48 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

The headline itself is problematic. 'Traumatised' sounds very alarmist and not necessary. The BBC have lost their way in some aspects.

 

Doesn't seem to matter what the ethnicity of the officer is. If the deceased is non-black then we don't get the media whipping up a frenzy. For example....

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-51932465

 

Equally, that asylum hotel rioter who was jailed has died in prison. Very little media coverage in comparison. Suspect there would have been far more if the fella was black.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

 

Well.... that's different. Apparently.

[Dunge]

I’m not even sure what these activists think they can do. If they believe they can apply the strategy for Labour to win the last election to the Democrats’ current situation then I think they’re badly wrong.

 

On the other hand, the equivalent hypocrisy of Farage’s actions crossed my mind as well.

[leicsmac]

The funniest thing is the blatant demonstration of how skewed the Overton Window is over there by the referral of a Starmer Labour government as "far left".

 

I mean, can you imagine?

 

NB. Internet comment find: "Starmer is as left wing as David Beckham was".

Edited 23 October 2024 by leicsmac

[grobyfox1990]

We got tweets from the Daily Mirror and screenshots from LinkedIn being used as evidence for arguments on here LOL. The landmass that voted for Brexit has no right to laugh at the Yanks 

[leicsmac]

22 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

We got tweets from the Daily Mirror and screenshots from LinkedIn being used as evidence for arguments on here LOL. The landmass that voted for Brexit has no right to laugh at the Yanks 

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me the time for laughing at it all was just up to January 6th 2021.

 

After that, it all became rather more serious.

 

Edit: actually, scrub that, instead after Heather Heyer was murdered by a Trump supporter for simply being where she was at the wrong time.

Edited 23 October 2024 by leicsmac

[bovril]

32 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The funniest thing is the blatant demonstration of how skewed the Overton Window is over there by the referral of a Starmer Labour government as "far left".

 

I mean, can you imagine?

 

NB. Internet comment find: "Starmer is as left wing as David Beckham was".

American nationalists now talk about the UK like Brexiters used to talk about the EU - impoverished, quasi-totalitarian, and full of violent foreign criminals.

[Facecloth]

A hundred Labour activists handing out leaflets is an outrage, whilst Farage spending UK donations or Musk throwing millions dollars prizes at people who registers to vote and vote Trump is apparently fine.

 

From what I heard earlier the Labour lot weren't sent over by the party and went of their own accord. They have been put up by democrat activists over there, no hotels have been paid for. I'm pretty sure what Farage has done with that money is borderline illegal and breaks some kind if electoral rules both sides of the Atlantic and what Musk is doing is definitely illegal, you can't offer people money to vote a certain way.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, bovril said:

American nationalists now talk about the UK like Brexiters used to talk about the EU - impoverished, quasi-totalitarian, and full of violent foreign criminals.

Funny how there's so much overlap in terms of ethos between those two groups, isn't it?

 

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

A hundred Labour activists handing out leaflets is an outrage, whilst Farage spending UK donations or Musk throwing millions dollars prizes at people who registers to vote and vote Trump is apparently fine.

 

From what I heard earlier the Labour lot weren't sent over by the party and went of their own accord. They have been put up by democrat activists over there, no hotels have been paid for. I'm pretty sure what Farage has done with that money is borderline illegal and breaks some kind if electoral rules both sides of the Atlantic and what Musk is doing is definitely illegal, you can't offer people money to vote a certain way.

The hypocrisy and projection is apparently the point.

 

The sad (and hugely damaging) thing is that enough people buy into it.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

 

His last visit was as a sitting MP, yes.

 I’m sorry, I meant was his visit during the official election campaign or before the official start? The rules only apply during the official election campaign, I believe.

[kenny]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Well.... that's different. Apparently.

How is it different? Except he is an MP rather than the governing party it's the same surely?

[grobyfox1990]

45 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Can't speak for anyone else, but for me the time for laughing at it all was just up to January 6th 2021.

 

After that, it all became rather more serious.

 

Edit: actually, scrub that, instead after Heather Heyer was murdered by a Trump supporter for simply being where she was at the wrong time.

It became very serious here too, but we just conveniently forgot about it in our unique British way. David Amess and Jo Cox were shocking affairs and sad indictments of our democracy.

We also frequently have those campaigning attacked by milkshakes and other humorous edible items. Attacks on Jewish MP offices. Cannot think of any consequences for these events, when our own politicians whip up hate in a similar manner to Trump.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

 I’m sorry, I meant was his visit during the official election campaign or before the official start? The rules only apply during the official election campaign, I believe.

In that case, is mid-July during? He stumped for him in the aftermath of the assassination attempt.

 

I would assume so.

 

1 minute ago, kenny said:

How is it different? Except he is an MP rather than the governing party it's the same surely?

Sorry, I was being sarcastic there. The Trump team and acolytes clearly think it's different.

 

Just now, grobyfox1990 said:

It became very serious here too, but we just conveniently forgot about it in our unique British way. David Amess and Jo Cox were shocking affairs and sad indictments of our democracy.

We also frequently have those campaigning attacked by milkshakes and other humorous edible items. Attacks on Jewish MP offices. Cannot think of any consequences for these events, when our own politicians whip up hate in a similar manner to Trump.

It's darkly interesting how all those events have happened (or intensified) since 2016.

 

But quite frankly given the power the US has, depending on issue their political decision making is far more consequential for the world (including the UK) than the UK's may be.

[Otis]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

The funniest thing is the blatant demonstration of how skewed the Overton Window is over there by the referral of a Starmer Labour government as "far left".

 

I mean, can you imagine?

 

NB. Internet comment find: "Starmer is as left wing as David Beckham was".

TBF there have been posters on here calling the Tory party Nazis.

...Equally bonkers.

[MPH]

Just now, leicsmac said:

In that case, is mid-July during? He stumped for him in the aftermath of the assassination attempt.

 

I would assume so.

 

Sorry, I was being sarcastic there. The Trump team and acolytes clearly think it's different.

 

It's darkly interesting how all those events have happened (or intensified) since 2016.

 

But quite frankly given the power the US has, depending on issue their political decision making is far more consequential for the world (including the UK) than the UK's may be.

 

he actually came again Mid-September  aswell, I think for a speech  during which some very questionable far right ‘ speakers’  from around Europe also attended…. It’s wether they can actually link those events to actively campaigning for his election bid, is the big question.

[grobyfox1990]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

In that case, is mid-July during? He stumped for him in the aftermath of the assassination attempt.

 

I would assume so.

 

Sorry, I was being sarcastic there. The Trump team and acolytes clearly think it's different.

 

It's darkly interesting how all those events have happened (or intensified) since 2016.

 

But quite frankly given the power the US has, depending on issue their political decision making is far more consequential for the world (including the UK) than the UK's may be.

I think it is a huge stretch to pin those events on Trump or the USA. Russia and personalities such as Farage and Bojo ramped up the rhetoric pre Brexit, that referendum was campaigned for in Feb - June 2016, before Trump hit his stride. We are responsible for our huge failings as a democracy, not the burger man or the once powerful USA.

Following that, media investors like Paul Marshall figured out there's loads of dumb money to be made from suburban administrators and compliance workers. Him coming in will have a negligible difference on the trajectory of this country. See above Daily Mirror tweets for confirmation of where we are.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Otis said:

TBF there have been posters on here calling the Tory party Nazis.

...Equally bonkers.

Yeah, but they're not part of a team actively campaigning for the most powerful policy decision making post in the world, which means perhaps there's a small difference in significance.

 

In any case, the hypocrisy or the lies don't surprise me all that much, the threat to the future of a great many living beings the man and his followers represent has been obvious for a long time now.

 

2 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

he actually came again Mid-September  aswell, I think for a speech  during which some very questionable far right ‘ speakers’  from around Europe also attended…. It’s wether they can actually link those events to actively campaigning for his election bid, is the big question.

I would think the link would be obvious to anyone with a modicum of intelligence. Proving it in a court of law, however might be different.

 

3 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

I think it is a huge stretch to pin those events on Trump or the USA. Russia and personalities such as Farage and Bojo ramped up the rhetoric pre Brexit, that referendum was campaigned for in Feb - June 2016, before Trump hit his stride. We are responsible for our huge failings as a democracy, not the burger man or the once powerful USA.

Following that, media investors like Paul Marshall figured out there's loads of dumb money to be made from suburban administrators and compliance workers. Him coming in will have a negligible difference on the trajectory of this country. See above Daily Mirror tweets for confirmation of where we are.

Yeah, fair to say.

 

However, if you don't think the US government decision making affects world environmental present and future in a big way I can't say that I believe you.

[MPH]

I will just add though that the name of Farage is cropping up I think in some way to try and sidestep  blame for the Labour  that they may have broken election rules. Because ‘he already did it’. 
 

firstly I don’t think Farage is the sort of person Starmer should be comparing himself to . He should be above that. Above him. Also, if people are saying Farage did something wrong then they are basically admitting Labour have  too.

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

I will just add though that the name of Farage is cropping up I think in some way to try and sidestep  blame for the Labour  that they may have broken election rules. Because ‘he already did it’. 
 

firstly I don’t think Farage is the sort of person Starmer should be comparing himself to . He should be above that. Above him. Also, if people are saying Farage did something wrong then they are basically admitting Labour have  too.

It's not really about that for me, it's about the massive pot calling kettle from the Trump team for making this an issue when they've done it themselves in the first place.