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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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51 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Yeah and the US as an English speaking former colony helped prop up our economy through foreign aid and workers from the former British colonies in the Caribbean from the wind rush generation came to help rebuild the country in exchange for the promise and draw of lifelong residency in the UK. Not to mention UK forced labour camps existed still in for example Kenya long after WW2 ended. 

 

I think you’re being naive (somewhat deliberately I would guess, as I know you’re an intelligent person) if you can’t see how a a not insignificant amount of wealth for both the UK and other western nations came from and still continues comes from our place in the world built on former empires, colonialism and/or slavery - even if it comes through more nuanced soft influence such as selling romantic visions of our big cities to tourists built on resources which weren’t fairly compensated for to countries who had their resources directed away so the UK and other western nations could industrialise first.

 

It takes 100s of years to build up a nation and an average British person has a lot more than an average person in sub Saharan Africa for example, there are many reasons why, but a percentage of it, which is certainly not a non-existent percentage, is undoubtedly down to empire building, colonialism and slavery.

 

Of course it’s impossible to quantify so it will never happen, but I still have extreme sympathy for the nations who still are at the economic disadvantage caused by empire building and to say that the loot of empire doesn’t exist anymore is clearly just being wilfully provocative. 

And the countries that benefit from foreign aid

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

It's a difficult one, particularly when different exponents of slavery did it on different scales and have different levels of benefit from it today. The differing levels on inequality between those asked and those doing the asking speaks for itself.

 

There's no real right answer or right course of action here, I fear, except the idea that the UK and other developed nations perhaps should be doing as much as they can to help developing nations with their development. Are they doing as much as they can?

 

That in itself is problematic and unquantifiable. Ideally, no nations, no self interest, no hierarchy, but not gonna happen in this world.

 

If the Babylonians has survived into the 20th century and had our technology, they'd have done the same. I know, cos I've played Sid Maier's Civilization.

 

Gandhi will nuke you; it's just a question of when.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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27 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

That in itself is problematic and unquantifiable. Ideally, no nations, no self interest, no hierarchy, but not gonna happen in this world.

 

If the Babylonians has survived into the 20th century and had our technology, they'd have done the same. I know, cos I've played Sid Maier's Civilization.

 

Gandhi will nuke you; it's just a question of when.

Such concepts are fine, but the inequality between them, whether between individuals, groups or nations, is where the problem arises.

 

Honestly though, I like to think it's more a pragmatic viewpoint regarding survival more than an idealistic one anyway. Perhaps you could call it mutual self interest; help your species and your biosphere out, because sooner or later you will need its help in return. That's true of every person, group or nation.

 

Individualism and isolationism, whether of person or country, is one of the biggest fallacies going.

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Paninistickers

Paninistickers

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Just reading that story of the online catfish bloke. 

 

Those warnings ahead of a news story about disturbing content normally don't even scratch the surface for me, you kinda get numb ....., but this is amongst the most upsetting stories I think I've ever read. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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1 minute ago, Paninistickers said:

Just reading that story of the online catfish bloke. 

 

Those warnings ahead of a news story about disturbing content normally don't even scratch the surface for me, you kinda get numb ....., but this is amongst the most upsetting stories I think I've ever read. 

It's truly horrific.

 

Unless he's watched over every second in jail, I'm reasonably sure someone there will look to enact their own brand of justice on him, though. Would assume that he would be at the very bottom of the hierarchy.

bovril

bovril

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52 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Just reading that story of the online catfish bloke. 

 

Those warnings ahead of a news story about disturbing content normally don't even scratch the surface for me, you kinda get numb ....., but this is amongst the most upsetting stories I think I've ever read. 

Saw the headline but hadn't read the story. Now I think I probably won't.

Trav Le Bleu

Trav Le Bleu

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58 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Just reading that story of the online catfish bloke. 

 

I'm sorry, but he can identify as anything he likes.

MPH

MPH

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2 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Looking the Israelis have began their retaliation in Iran. Who knows how this ends.


 

 

it might be a tamer response than originally planned.. im hoping they have listened to sense and not struck any nuclear energy targets in Iran…

Jon the Hat

Jon the Hat

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1 hour ago, MPH said:


 

 

it might be a tamer response than originally planned.. im hoping they have listened to sense and not struck any nuclear energy targets in Iran…

Seems to be a symbolic attack on very limited military targets so lets hope that at least kicks the can down the road a bit.  Iran can claim it failed, the IDF can claim their objectives were met and they can keep on complaining about each other.

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Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d5d6nng67o

 

This is a scandal in the making.  Compensation awards not increased since 2007, people having to meet a 60% disablement threshold for successful claims and claims taking more than 2 yrs to resolve.   Apparently being left with one eye and suffering other physical and psychological injuries, as a result of receiving the AstraZeneca jab, does not merit any compensation.  I know Labour have inherited this mess, but I hope they can accelerate some financial justice for these poor sods. 

leicsmac

leicsmac

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18 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1d5d6nng67o

 

This is a scandal in the making.  Compensation awards not increased since 2007, people having to meet a 60% disablement threshold for successful claims and claims taking more than 2 yrs to resolve.   Apparently being left with one eye and suffering other physical and psychological injuries, as a result of receiving the AstraZeneca jab, does not merit any compensation.  I know Labour have inherited this mess, but I hope they can accelerate some financial justice for these poor sods. 

Agree that there needs to be adequate compensation when the link is proven.

 

It does need to be handled with nuance, however - there's already far too much antivax sentiment that causes far more harm through people not getting jabbed than the jabs do, there really needs not to be further harm caused by such a scandal and the ripple effect it would have.

Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Agree that there needs to be adequate compensation when the link is proven.

 

It does need to be handled with nuance, however - there's already far too much antivax sentiment that causes far more harm through people not getting jabbed than the jabs do, there really needs not to be further harm caused by such a scandal and the ripple effect it would have.

Yes, public confidence is likely to be dented if these processes are not dealt with fairly and timely.  Which is why the government and Wes Streeting in particular,  should be getting more involved in trying to resolve this. 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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2 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Yes, public confidence is likely to be dented if these processes are not dealt with fairly and timely.  Which is why the government and Wes Streeting in particular,  should getting more involved in trying to resolve this. 

Fairly and timely, but in a way that, quite frankly, doesn't cause more issues with the way vaccination is perceived, because that could be infinitely more damaging.

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