Premier League 2024/25

[Fear Of The Fox]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I just looked this up and others such as Man City and Girona were able to play in the CL together. Apparently it is UEFA’s discretion as to whether sufficient safeguards are in place to prevent conflict of interest. So basically the fat Greek will pass a brown envelope and it’ll be fine so don’t get your hopes up.

The Girona-Man City ownership is completely different to the Forest-Olympiakos one. The latter have a single person as an owner. There will be a major conflict in interest even if both teams don't face each other in group stage. There's a huge risk of games manipulation. 

The rule is still there and as you said UEFA will make a decision but this isn't the same case as Girona or Red Bull. 

[Bilo]

10 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Hes had a good season but thats stretching to say the least

Possibly, but the fact he's nowhere near the England squad barring an epic injury crisis is more testament to the depth of quality within it than him being no better than Michael Ricketts.

[FrankieADZ]

be an interesting run in for the UCL places

[Bilo]

12 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Walks into our side.

So do most of our players. 

[Bilo]

1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said:

be an interesting run in for the UCL places

1. Liverpool 

2. Arsenal 

3. Manchester City

4. Newcastle 

5. Villa

6. Forest 

7. Chelsea

[coolhandfox]

15 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

No but we’d sign the likes of Coady and Winks, and offer contracts to Vestergaard and a past it Ndidi so his recruitment was hardly great. 
 

Hermansen and Fatawu yes. Average to poor outside of those two.

 

Enzo was announced as Chelsea manager on the 3rd of June, after around a week of negotiations.

 

Vestergaard extension was announced the 7th of June, now I will give you maybe maybe Enzo encouraged the club.

 

Ndidi wasn't announce until 12th of July, not sure you can blame him for that one.

 

Winks and Mavididi both good signing did the job they were meant to do get us out of the Championship, and both have enough to be PL players under a decent coach.

 

Coady I will give you.

[FrankieADZ]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

1. Liverpool 

2. Arsenal 

3. Manchester City

4. Newcastle 

5. Villa

6. Forest 

7. Chelsea

tbf looking at it, what im thinking tbf

 

 

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, Bilo said:

1. Liverpool 

2. Arsenal 

3. Manchester City

4. Newcastle 

5. Villa

6. Forest 

7. Chelsea

Arsenal are lucky they have Ipswich and Southampton to play. They could have been in serious trouble. 

[Thefox81]

1 hour ago, lcfc043 said:

Are we all forgetting “Harvey” was part of the relegated team and put in several awful performances? 
 

Weird how he gets spoken about still compared to Youri and Maddison, who were both better players at LCFC and still are. 

Just wow. 🤡🤡🤡

[The Doctor]

43 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Haha whooo? Jacob brown? Have a word man. 
 

clarke, szmodrics, Johnson, greaves, philogene…  There’s not a single player luton signed that were even interesting top championship teams, with the exception of possibly Ryan Giles but by the time they dropped everyone knew he wasn’t any good. 

without a huge manager disruption, I stand by it. They can sit still, sell off delap and Hutchinson and still be well clear of the rest of the league. 

 

The idea that Luton were building a "championship super team" was pretty common among fans. Among pundits, not a clue, I don't pay attention to anything they say.

[Fear Of The Fox]

55 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Youri and Maddison where part of the problem of we got relegated, they both gave up after Christmas and had one eye on a move away

Players give up (they should not do it but it happens all the time) because of incompetent management. The team that got relegated two seasons ago was a 10th-12th position squad. I still believe our current team isn't a 19th position one. 

I'm not saying we should have stayed up this season but there are ways in football management to make a team competent. When you appoint idiots and people with 10 football management IQ you can't expect better results. Our ownership failed big time. I genuinely believe it would have been better if a long time fan of the team was appointed as a manager rather than these 2 useless lads. 

[LCFCJohn]

19 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

The Girona-Man City ownership is completely different to the Forest-Olympiakos one. The latter have a single person as an owner. There will be a major conflict in interest even if both teams don't face each other in group stage. There's a huge risk of games manipulation. 

The rule is still there and as you said UEFA will make a decision but this isn't the same case as Girona or Red Bull. 

True and hopefully so, thanks for the context. 
 

Yes it makes sense that the ones that are organisations could find a way round.

 

I suspect the day Greek will find a way mind.

[Torquay Gunner]

15 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

Arsenal are lucky they have Ipswich and Southampton to play. They could have been in serious trouble. 

For top 5? 🤣

[Fear Of The Fox]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

True and hopefully so, thanks for the context. 
 

Yes it makes sense that the ones that are organisations could find a way round.

 

I suspect the day Greek will find a way mind.

Yes and the only way he can do it is by manipulating the ownership status quo at Olympiakos. It's easy to do it in Greece but recently Marinakis has fallen out with the PM of the country so it might be tricky. Nothing money can't fix ofc.

[FrankieADZ]

53 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Haha whooo? Jacob brown? Have a word man. 
 

clarke, szmodrics, Johnson, greaves, philogene…  There’s not a single player luton signed that were even interesting top championship teams, with the exception of possibly Ryan Giles but by the time they dropped everyone knew he wasn’t any good. 

without a huge manager disruption, I stand by it. They can sit still, sell off delap and Hutchinson and still be well clear of the rest of the league. 

 

whos to say that out teams wont look at them too?

 

pretty sure i read somewhere PSV were looking at Clarke; others will certainly look at Greaves too.

they'll be back to Morsy and Luongo in mid next season too

[LCFCJohn]

15 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

 

Enzo was announced as Chelsea manager on the 3rd of June, after around a week of negotiations.

 

Vestergaard extension was announced the 7th of June, now I will give you maybe maybe Enzo encouraged the club.

 

Ndidi wasn't announce until 12th of July, not sure you can blame him for that one.

 

Winks and Mavididi both good signing did the job they were meant to do get us out of the Championship, and both have enough to be PL players under a decent coach.

 

Coady I will give you.

Just making the point his transfer record was very mixed. Some would add Cannon but we did actually turn a small profit there.

 

I think it was well accepted that Vestergaard was a ball set rolling by Enzo. Ndidi yeah, perhaps due to his long association with the club would be more likely post Enzo.

 

Mavididi I missed off the good list to be fair. He is in my starting 11 next season. 
 

Winks I never liked the signing when it happened and don’t now. Massive overpay for a limited player with a weak mindset. Very near the top of my bin list for this summer. 
 

Coady is none of what he was meant to be. Massive overpay again. 
 

Point being, when we list the deadwood we need to ship out, there a decent amount that was still on Enzo.

 

The last manager we had with an eye for recruitment was Puel despite his limitations as a coach. We desperately need someone with that ability again. Ideally with better coaching and man management skills

of course.

[Bilo]

39 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Wan-Bissaka has none, and he could switch who he wishes to represent, so if he can't even get a few caps to tie him down to England, using caps isn't the only way to gauge ability

The fact is that England's squad depth is pretty impressive. Saka, Grealish, Foden, Gordon, Rashford, Madueke and Eze up against him, and that's before we consider players like Gittens and even Bowen. 

 

If he'd been a one cap wonder under Capello or McClaren, it would be different. But there are lots of very talented English players who must be disappointed at every squad announcement. 

[murphy]

3 hours ago, StevieH said:

From about 5 games into the season you could see we were miles off it. Hopefully next season will be more enjoyable as this has been miserable. I wonder if it was written into RVN contract that if we get relegated he leaves with no compensation or will he stay?

Don't you mean 5 minutes? 

[Lambert09]

3 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

whos to say that out teams wont look at them too?

 

pretty sure i read somewhere PSV were looking at Clarke; others will certainly look at Greaves too.

they'll be back to Morsy and Luongo in mid next season too

Any relegated club looks to make money where they can to cover the deficit but whatever happens, they will start with a stronger base than the one they came up with. 
 

I just think they target too good for the championship players, rather than good in the championship players. It doesn’t mean they are all good enough for the prem but should be easily good enough for promotion. 
 

Were in a worse position this time around and we desperately need to get the striker call correct 

[eblair]

4 hours ago, Fox92 said:

His 10 goals and 9 assists in our relegated side was probably the best output of our whole squad the last time we were relegated. 

except barnes who got both more goals and more assists

[worth_the_wait]

Mildly amusing how many Chelsea fans are now saying they're bored by the "slow possession-based pass-it-out-from-the-goalkeeper" football of Maresca.

 

And Enzo blaming the fans for Ipswich's 2nd goal!

[cruzFOX]

I don’t think that marriage is gonna last between Enzo & Chelsea fans. Yes we complained at times  & Enzo threatened to walk. He felt  we needed him more than he needed us. A little bit of arrogance perhaps but maybe right. With Chelsea their fans are way more entitled and will push him out but I think boehly has his back for another season.

[Chelmofox]

26 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

Mildly amusing how many Chelsea fans are now saying they're bored by the "slow possession-based pass-it-out-from-the-goalkeeper" football of Maresca.

 

And Enzo blaming the fans for Ipswich's 2nd goal!

Its also midly amusing how their expectations have changed as well.  Chelsea supporting mate said he was happy for this to be a building year and battling for europe was good enough. Now all of a sudden he is spitting blood even though they are in the hunt for Champions League. 

[Super_horns]

Poor guy .

 

Sounds like he never had a chance of recovery from such a serious illness .

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrgky7e47no

[jbloggs]

LCFC needed to concentrate on the basics

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/nov/27/claudio-ranieri-leicester-city-interview