Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Tommy G]

18 minutes ago, accessory said:

Cooper saw his side hammered twice by a Manyoo side its current manager has called among the worst in its history.

 

Even Wolves and Ipswich have taken points from them.

 

Our club has made many grievous errors over recent seasons, but replacing Cooper with RVN wasn't one of them.

Yes it was - they should of gone with someone with significantly more experience. It was a roll the dice appointment.

[Graceroad]

54 minutes ago, accessory said:

Cooper saw his side hammered twice by a Manyoo side its current manager has called among the worst in its history.

 

Even Wolves and Ipswich have taken points from them.

 

Our club has made many grievous errors over recent seasons, but replacing Cooper with RVN wasn't one of them.

You are aware we played our reserves in the cup match against a full strength United side Wolves and Ipswich took points at home not at Old Trafford

 

[orangecity23]

2 hours ago, Graceroad said:

 

Yep let's just ignore the fact we played our reserves in the United Cup game when they played a full strength side

"Reserves"

 

Danny Ward Started Vs Wolves
James Justin Regular starter
Caleb Okoli Regular starter under Cooper
Conor Coady Started many games recently
Luke Thomas Started Vs Villa
Oliver Skipp Cooper regular/started Vs Newcastle
Boubakary Soumaré Regular starter now
Bobby Decordova-Reid Actual reserve
Bilal El Khannouss current best player
Kasey McAteer Started several games lately
Jordan Ayew Regular starter   Apart from bdcr, every player who started that game has started in the current bad spell that Cooper would "definitely" have "improved defensively", yet when he played them here, somehow contrived to concede 5 goals. Given the luxury of a first choice lineup about a week later, with hermanson, he still conceded 3.   This idea that Cooper was better defensively is an absolute fiction. His team were appalling at the back.

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

I personally think he needs a more experienced head to help him, almost like a tutor / mentor. 
 

I think he clearly has the right ideas and wants to play the brand of football the club wants. 
 

He maybe needs someone who can support him tactically and game management wise. 
 

Someone like a Craig Shakespeare, Nigel Pearson, if you want to go Dutch, Lodeweges, Advocat etc. Clubs employee these people all the time as special advisors. 

Got some examples of this? Seems like massively undermining the manager to me. I remember Dave Basset coming in to "help" while Micky Adams was in charge but that was over 20 years ago now

 

[Groby_Blue]

3 hours ago, Sly said:

Andrew Hughes,

First Team Set Piece Coach

Joined from Norwich as part of Coopers staff in August. 

 

And what a total waste of an appointment that was. Our corners and free kicks are as bad as at any time I can remember. 

 

We carry absolutely no threat from dead ball situations. 

[dmayne7]

10 minutes ago, Groby_Blue said:

And what a total waste of an appointment that was. Our corners and free kicks are as bad as at any time I can remember. 

 

We carry absolutely no threat from dead ball situations. 

Was thinking that on Saturday. What's the point in even having a corner as we're so bad at them. And it's been like that for a long time. The average team last year was in the 10-14 goals from set pieces. Seems like years since we've been close to that.

[Sly]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

If you are a Premier League manager you shouldn't need a mentor, you are part of the elite managers group. 

 

In our case RvN is not - way out his depth, loved him as a player and his period here has massively tarnished that.

He needed a stint as an Assistant under an Experienced Coach. That’s the traditional route. 
 

Maresca, Still, Arteta, loads under Baresi etc 

[adejo92]

2 hours ago, accessory said:

Cooper saw his side hammered twice by a Manyoo side its current manager has called among the worst in its history.

 

Even Wolves and Ipswich have taken points from them.

 

Our club has made many grievous errors over recent seasons, but replacing Cooper with RVN wasn't one of them.

Replacing cooper, no I agree, but replacing him with RVN...add it to the collection of errors.

[SafewayFox]

22 hours ago, adejo92 said:

I don't think we should have ever recruited Cooper, I didn't enjoy his football, and he wasn't a long term solution....But one thing is for sure, we'd be better off than we are now points wise.

What seriously makes you (others have said this too scarily on here).

 

Look at his last 5 games, a scraped draw against a 10 man Ipswich.

 

The players WEREN’T playing for him, that Chelsea performance for the whole 90 minutes was one of the worst professional performances I can remember in years.

 

Look at the players holding up the “We miss you Enzo” signs in Copenhagen, we definitely don’t beat West Ham if he’s in charge…the rot was well and truly set.

[Tommy G]

2 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

What seriously makes you (others have said this too scarily on here).

 

Look at his last 5 games, a scraped draw against a 10 man Ipswich.

 

The players WEREN’T playing for him, that Chelsea performance for the whole 90 minutes was one of the worst professional performances I can remember in years.

 

Look at the players holding up the “We miss you Enzo” signs in Copenhagen, we definitely don’t beat West Ham if he’s in charge…the rot was well and truly set.

Did you go to Wolves at home?

[Graceroad]

Just now, Tommy G said:

Did you go to Wolves at home?

 

4 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

What seriously makes you (others have said this too scarily on here).

 

Look at his last 5 games, a scraped draw against a 10 man Ipswich.

 

The players WEREN’T playing for him, that Chelsea performance for the whole 90 minutes was one of the worst professional performances I can remember in years.

 

Look at the players holding up the “We miss you Enzo” signs in Copenhagen, we definitely don’t beat West Ham if he’s in charge…the rot was well and truly set.

We lost to Forest Chelsea and Man United away all expected defeats the games before that we drew with Ipswich and won back to back games v Bournemouth  and Southampton

[SafewayFox]

1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

Did you go to Wolves at home?

Did we not actually create a few half chances before the “Ward effect” truly kicked in.

 

I remember Vardy being through on goal and sure Sa handled the ball outside the box.

 

I have a couple of Chelsea ST holder mates who made the trip and they couldn’t believe how poor we were and said one of the worst teams they’ve seen in years!

 

We were lethargic, void of ideas and players were more interested in gobbing off at Cooper than running.

[Graceroad]

1 hour ago, orangecity23 said:

"Reserves"

 

Danny Ward Started Vs Wolves
James Justin Regular starter
Caleb Okoli Regular starter under Cooper
Conor Coady Started many games recently
Luke Thomas Started Vs Villa
Oliver Skipp Cooper regular/started Vs Newcastle
Boubakary Soumaré Regular starter now
Bobby Decordova-Reid Actual reserve
Bilal El Khannouss current best player
Kasey McAteer Started several games lately
Jordan Ayew Regular starter   Apart from bdcr, every player who started that game has started in the current bad spell that Cooper would "definitely" have "improved defensively", yet when he played them here, somehow contrived to concede 5 goals. Given the luxury of a first choice lineup about a week later, with hermanson, he still conceded 3.   This idea that Cooper was better defensively is an absolute fiction. His team were appalling at the back.

So because Ward Thomas McAteer have played the odd game you think that makes them first team players  plus Coady was a reserve under Cooper Skipp was in and out same with Ayrew who played up front in this match and El Khannouss and BS were squad players at the time. Only Justin who got dropped the previous match and Okoli could be considered  first team players

[Tommy G]

28 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Did we not actually create a few half chances before the “Ward effect” truly kicked in.

 

I remember Vardy being through on goal and sure Sa handled the ball outside the box.

 

I have a couple of Chelsea ST holder mates who made the trip and they couldn’t believe how poor we were and said one of the worst teams they’ve seen in years!

 

We were lethargic, void of ideas and players were more interested in gobbing off at Cooper than running.

It was much worse than any performance this season.

[RizLCFC]

There won’t be any more staff coming in as part of RvN’s team. He is happy with what he has got. I don’t know if that’s because we can’t afford anymore and he’s putting on a brave face, or if he is actually content.

Edited 22 January by RizLCFC

[Happy Fox]

4 minutes ago, RizLCFC said:

There won’t be any more staff coming in as part of RvN’s team. He is happy with what he has got. I don’t know if that’s because we can’t afford anymore and he’s putting on a brave face, or if he is actually content.

It’s baffling isn’t it, probably has been told we cannot afford it?

[Greg2607]

I said at the time and when we appointed cooper, that I would have moved heaven and earth to get Moyes in.   Lots of people scoffed at me at the time.  Now, those people may well prove to be right, but it will be interesting to see how he does at Everton.  A team virtually everyone on here has said is dog muck and circling the drain for years.   If he moves them away from all of that, then it's a missed opportunity for us. 

 

@Tommy G is absolutely right, the RVN appointment is a roll of the dice and it's the type of decision that the board of our club will make because in their eyes "the last roll.of the dice" worked with Maresca.  

 

Here's the thing.... Marescas style of play, with this squad, in the premier league, wouldn't have worked.   We would have been trounced.   

 

I hope it works out for RVN, but I said at the time, that my concern was that he was used to managing teams who had more resources than the competition and better players.  

 

I'm not sure he knows how to polish a turd and make us win ugly.  

 

But I'll continue to back him, as this squad is weak enough in the PL to make anyone look poor... 

[RizLCFC]

12 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

It’s baffling isn’t it, probably has been told we cannot afford it?

Every manager wants his own team, and with how inexperienced he is, he needs someone else alongside him.
 

But, we definitely can’t afford it, especially considering how Top tore in to the players about the cost of sacking Cooper.

[Buzzell]

25 minutes ago, RizLCFC said:

There won’t be any more staff coming in as part of RvN’s team. He is happy with what he has got. I don’t know if that’s because we can’t afford anymore and he’s putting on a brave face, or if he is actually content.

I’m pretty sure he would got his own staff in if he had the choice. Most managers nowadays have their own team to bring in with them when moving to a club.

[orangecity23]

50 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

So because Ward Thomas McAteer have played the odd game you think that makes them first team players  plus Coady was a reserve under Cooper Skipp was in and out same with Ayrew who played up front in this match and El Khannouss and BS were squad players at the time. Only Justin who got dropped the previous match and Okoli could be considered  first team players

The argument is: some people believe Cooper would have gotten us more points in the current run because he would have us harder to beat and conceding less goals over the same fixtures with the same squad.

 

My point is - Cooper let in lots of goals. This cup game is an insight to how he might have gotten on presently, without hermanson. Answer - badly. I don't think all those players are "first team" but they are all first team now, because there are no other good options because of injuries. They've all had to start games in the current bad run. So unless magical fan fiction cooper man can magically fix Mads Hermanson and could magically make VK not ill against Villa, he'd be stuck with these players.

 

Back in the world of reality, Cooper had an appalling defensive record in the prem with Forest as well, and up to the 2 game Bournemouth and Southampton win streak, had been on a run across the two clubs where he had gone 19 odd games without a win.

 

[Nolucklcfc]

2 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Was thinking that on Saturday. What's the point in even having a corner as we're so bad at them. And it's been like that for a long time. The average team last year was in the 10-14 goals from set pieces. Seems like years since we've been close to that.

It’s one of the most frustrating parts of watching us. Absolutely no threat or any idea what so ever. Either the corner is shit or goes straight to the corner. We look so vulnerable from them as well. 

[adejo92]

1 hour ago, SafewayFox said:

Did we not actually create a few half chances before the “Ward effect” truly kicked in.

 

I remember Vardy being through on goal and sure Sa handled the ball outside the box.

 

I have a couple of Chelsea ST holder mates who made the trip and they couldn’t believe how poor we were and said one of the worst teams they’ve seen in years!

 

We were lethargic, void of ideas and players were more interested in gobbing off at Cooper than running.

Try looking on the Wolves, Palace & Fulham forums, we're essentially a laughing stock.

 

I don't care "if Vardy would have".

 

It's a points game and we're getting fvck all.

[lcfc278]

44 minutes ago, RizLCFC said:

Every manager wants his own team, and with how inexperienced he is, he needs someone else alongside him.
 

But, we definitely can’t afford it, especially considering how Top tore in to the players about the cost of sacking Cooper.

Did I miss this? What happened here?

[SafewayFox]

1 minute ago, adejo92 said:

Try looking on the Wolves, Palace & Fulham forums, we're essentially a laughing stock.

 

I don't care "if Vardy would have".

 

It's a points game and we're getting fvck all.

Or ignore how much of a joke that people I know personally keep saying about the Chelsea game.

 

It works both ways. 
 

Cooper was a horrendous appointment, Ruud most likely is too but I’m not having people rewrite history about Cooper, it’s baffling and completely ignores some obvious differences between their time here.

[Channies6thswan]

How many more losses will it be before he gets the sack?

For me this is the worst time being a Leicester supporter since Peter Taylor  

We have to move quickly to have any chance of a very unlikely escape