Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Stadt]

27 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Look at the Swansea team he had though, looking back it’s scandalous that he didn’t get them up. 

Gyokeres, Gibbs-White, Guehi, Connor Roberts, the better Ayew...

[fox_up_north]

Could it be that both managers don't suit us or the players? And also the players aren't good enough? And the board have cocked up, repeatedly? 

[Vazman]

2 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Could it be that both managers don't suit us or the players? And also the players aren't good enough? And the board have cocked up, repeatedly? 

Summed up perfectly both managers not good enough, players not good enough, board responsible for both 👍 

[JimJams]

I have no confidence that anybody will come in and do better.  Somebody somewhere by the laws of probability could, nobody stands out as obvious, and at present I think I'd rather get the next guy in the door during the summer, let them shape the team, make some signings, start afresh.  Cleaning up somebody else's mess requires a whole other set of skills that few managers possess.  You could bring somebody in now with great potential who could be really good for us when starting from scratch.  That would all be fxxked if they came in and couldn't get a tune for the rest of the season.  They'd be written off for not clearing up a mountain of shit with a pack of tissues.

[LVFox]

1 hour ago, fox_up_north said:

Could it be that both managers don't suit us or the players? And also the players aren't good enough? And the board have cocked up, repeatedly? 

I agree with this, but I think the assembly of this squad is so poor that there isn't a coach or coaching style that suits them.

[Guy]

5 hours ago, Ricey said:

...because if people thought the football was dire under Cooper, just wait until they experience Dyche.

 

You are right about the team, it just wouldn't suit Dyche. The Everton team he inherited was pretty well suited to his style.

I could easily see Dyche being here next season though if we end up in the Championship, unlikely to be Ruud.....

[The Doctor]

3 hours ago, Graceroad said:

Cooper won the under 19 World Cup got Swansea in the play offs two years running they haven't got close since and worked miracles  with Forest  bit harsh to call him a crap manager

Crap premier league manager then, he's a championship manager

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Guy said:

I could easily see Dyche being here next season though if we end up in the Championship, unlikely to be Ruud.....

Having gone in a completely different direction with Cooper and been badly burned, then pivoted sharply back to a Maresca-style appointment in RvN, I’d say there is virtually no chance of them undergoing yet another volte-face and going for Dyche. RvN will very likely still be manager next season, but if he isn’t it will be another young manager with a reputation for playing ‘progressive’ football. It won’t be Dyche. 

[adamkhalifa]

I'm not a Dyche fan. But I am a fan of different methods of play. The Pep system, is not the only way. The ceiling will always be Man City. 

Let's play to our strengths. I hate the thought of the board, telling the coach how we should play. Stealing a quote from MON 'Players win matches, not tactics'. 

[Guy]

19 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Having gone in a completely different direction with Cooper and been badly burned, then pivoted sharply back to a Maresca-style appointment in RvN, I’d say there is virtually no chance of them undergoing yet another volte-face and going for Dyche. RvN will very likely still be manager next season, but if he isn’t it will be another young manager with a reputation for playing ‘progressive’ football. It won’t be Dyche. 

Another Maresca-type manager then for a repeat instant bounce back is what you must mean then. A big ask with this bunch of players though maybe, if Ruud isn't here by then! Maybe Rohl from Sheff. Wed. then...? 

Edited 17 February by Guy

[ClaphamFox]

5 minutes ago, Guy said:

Another Maresca-type manager then for a repeat instant bounce back is what you must mean then. A big ask with this bunch of players though maybe, if Ruud isn't here by then! Maybe Rohl from Sheff. Wed. then...? 

If Ruud leaves, which I don’t he will, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they went for Rohl.

[robski]

35 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Crap premier league manager then, he's a championship manager

Cooper would probably have done better than RVN has since he took over.

Renember he had us scoring goals even though he seemed clueless.

The annoying thing is that the right manager may have had a chance of keeping us up as we are still only 2 pts adrift but with RVN we are doomed and he is of 2nd Division standard management at best 

[Dahnsouff]

36 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Having gone in a completely different direction with Cooper and been badly burned, then pivoted sharply back to a Maresca-style appointment in RvN, I’d say there is virtually no chance of them undergoing yet another volte-face and going for Dyche. RvN will very likely still be manager next season, but if he isn’t it will be another young manager with a reputation for playing ‘progressive’ football. It won’t be Dyche. 

Would agree, and it really would be a damning indictment of the mismanagement within the club to once more pivot in terms of management continuity.

[robski]

27 minutes ago, Guy said:

Another Maresca-type manager then for a repeat instant bounce back is what you must mean then. A big ask with this bunch of players though maybe, if Ruud isn't here by then! Maybe Rohl from Sheff. Wed. then...? 

RVN is not a Maresca type manager…..he is an ex player who is a novice manager and should be plying his trade in the lower leagues to build a reputation.

He should never be here and the sooner he’s gone the better.

He won’t do anything in the Chamoionship

[The Doctor]

27 minutes ago, robski said:

Cooper would probably have done better than RVN has since he took over.

Renember he had us scoring goals even though he seemed clueless.

The annoying thing is that the right manager may have had a chance of keeping us up as we are still only 2 pts adrift but with RVN we are doomed and he is of 2nd Division standard management at best 

I mean, probably is doing a lot of heavy lifting. it's a tedious argument to have but we don't know whether Cooper would be doing better than RvN, you can very easily make the case for him doing worse. Doesn't change that sacking Cooper was the right choice, we took a gamble which hasn't worked on the replacement 

[Graceroad]

3 hours ago, Stadt said:

Cooper has a similar premier league record to Steve Kean. He's shit, look what happened to Forest after he left.

This season they are flying yes but they didn't do that much better last season after he left he kept forest up when we got relegated with a vastly superior  squad

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, JimJams said:

I have no confidence that anybody will come in and do better.  Somebody somewhere by the laws of probability could, nobody stands out as obvious, and at present I think I'd rather get the next guy in the door during the summer, let them shape the team, make some signings, start afresh.  Cleaning up somebody else's mess requires a whole other set of skills that few managers possess.  You could bring somebody in now with great potential who could be really good for us when starting from scratch.  That would all be fxxked if they came in and couldn't get a tune for the rest of the season.  They'd be written off for not clearing up a mountain of shit with a pack of tissues.

For similar reasons I'd (stay with me) I'd keep RVN. Essentially he's been firefighting this season when the house is largely burnt down.

 

Next season would be a good time for a complete overhaul and reset, blooding academy players and getting in promising players to mix it with our few proven quality players (Vardy, Ricky, Stolar, Ndidi) though they might not necessarily be playing.

 

Get players that a manager can impress on them a cohesive way of playing.

[Graceroad]

3 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said:

My word...you can't hide being a Cooper shill can you?. Give it a rest PLEASE.

Im not a Cooper fan especially  just don't think  he deserves the stick he gets, Sorry if I have a different opinion  to you.

[K789]

10 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

Im not a Cooper fan especially  just don't think  he deserves the stick he gets, Sorry if I have a different opinion  to you.

Jees Steve coopers twin brother is back 

[ClaphamFox]

28 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

For similar reasons I'd (stay with me) I'd keep RVN. Essentially he's been firefighting this season when the house is largely burnt down.

 

Next season would be a good time for a complete overhaul and reset, blooding academy players and getting in promising players to mix it with our few proven quality players (Vardy, Ricky, Stolar, Ndidi) though they might not necessarily be playing.

 

Get players that a manager can impress on them a cohesive way of playing.

I get the impression that this is pretty much the way that both RvN and the club see it, too. I don’t think our results over the rest of the season are going have much influence on whether Ruud stays or not - it will likely come down to whether the club is happy with what they’re seeing behind the scenes. Cooper wasn’t sacked primarily because of results, but because the club felt he wasn’t building anything at Seagrave. If they feel that RvN is actually building a culture that will eventually lead to success, they’ll stick with him irrespective of whether we stay up or go down. 

[J. James]

11 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

I think Moyes would struggle to get a tune out of our squad.  That’s why he didn’t want to touch us with a bargepole. 

Lol.. I don't think it was the squad, the ground, the team bus or the tea lady that put Moyes off, maybe the useless lying owner and his underlings had a little something to do with it, like 100%!

[J. James]

2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

If Ruud leaves, which I don’t he will, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they went for Rohl.

Appointing Rohl would be intelligent, show a great knowledge of football and give us a great chance of success, three reasons why the idiots running our club wont appoint him even if he was foolish enough to come here!

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

I mean, probably is doing a lot of heavy lifting. it's a tedious argument to have but we don't know whether Cooper would be doing better than RvN, you can very easily make the case for him doing worse. Doesn't change that sacking Cooper was the right choice, we took a gamble which hasn't worked on the replacement 

Your plagiarism is taken as flattery. 

[Gubbins]

6 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

For similar reasons I'd (stay with me) I'd keep RVN. Essentially he's been firefighting this season when the house is largely burnt down.

 

Next season would be a good time for a complete overhaul and reset, blooding academy players and getting in promising players to mix it with our few proven quality players (Vardy, Ricky, Stolar, Ndidi) though they might not necessarily be playing.

 

Get players that a manager can impress on them a cohesive way of playing.

It's been such disastrous form though I don't think you can keep him for next season. It's akin to Derby keeping Jewell when they went down and they started the next season in exactly the same way and he was eventually sacked. It's also likely wel be stuck with the vast majority of crap players that RvN has been failing to get any tune out of. We have got to ditch him at the end of the season and get a proper manager in.

[Dan]

Van Nistelrooy gets away with murder I think. Aiyawatt, Rudkin & Whelan are all far bigger poison but that doesn't mean he isn't largely useless. We've genuinely managed to downgrade on Cooper.

 

We're just so far gone as a club it's barely comprehensible to be honest. Cannot wait for the day this club is no longer occupied.