Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[CrispinLA in Texas]

2 minutes ago, Lad1966 said:

One thing I will say in RVN favour, is that he’s called out players and has identified issues within the club and playing squad, about their fitness. RVN knows what success looks like and he ain’t seeing it here and he needs to get rid of the deadwood and players with the wrong attitude and look to build on that!

Your right in this, but this is his ex player experience showing. His overall tactical knowledge in managing games is non existent 

[Foxin_Mad]

Okay sooo say the choice is Dyche, Martin or RVN which knowing the way the club works will likely be the list who wins?!?

 

For Dycheball the whole squad needs replacing bar maybe Souttar. Martins Southampton side even more gutless than us. If we beat Ipswich and can convince the youngsters to stay and build them into games, give him free reign to clear out the shit and culture at the club he has identified already, it might be better than the likely alternatives. Any new man has to come in assess, it concerns me deeply that won’t happen until July, especially if it ends up being the names above. So from a clueless Kpfc perspective there are definitely benefits to sticking instead of waiting until July, choosing someone equally shit and giving the a few weeks to assess and build relationships and a team, sets you back.

 

imo we need to act very soon or not bother, no point fanning around till preseason which is clearly what these ****tards will do

Edited 5 May 2025 by Foxin_Mad

[HankMarvin]

8 minutes ago, Lad1966 said:

One thing I will say in RVN favour, is that he’s called out players and has identified issues within the club and playing squad, about their fitness. RVN knows what success looks like and he ain’t seeing it here and he needs to get rid of the deadwood and players with the wrong attitude and look to build on that!

Normally when a manager comes in and sees a squad unfit. There is an uptick in performances related to them getting fit. He has had half a season and been utter dogshit

[winteriscoming]

I think there is an element of him setting up an agenda to benefit himself. 
Falls out with experienced players, questions the fitness of players, lack of new signings in January when promised there would be. 

He could well be spot on but I’m not convinced. 

Basically trying to detract any sort of criticism aimed at him. 
 

[teblin]

Caveat here  don’t want him to stay on, but if he does he needs to appoint an experienced assistant like Mike Phelen or somebody like that.

 

Also need someone with some insight and knowledge above him too as a sporting director.

[JimJams]

The thing is, is he making the point he hasn't got the players to implement his style or is he saying they're just not fit enough for it? Because he likely won't get many new faces in to play whatever his brand of football is.  So if he's saying it's just a case of upping fitness I can advocate for that, but whilst I do think we need to be far better fitness wise, it's not like we've started games all guns blazing and noticeably waned later in the game from fatigue. We're never on it.  A good press requires a good level of fitness to implement well over the course of a match, but even without that level, there should still be evidence that you can work a press early in the game.  That's coaching.  And we've not seen that at all.

[DezFox]

44 minutes ago, jamfox said:

 

Would Vitor Pereira have done a better job?  Yes! but not like he did, Wolves were a better team.   Sticking with cooper would have been better, but we all guilty for that move  

Personally, I think we need a fresh start Rudd has no patience banked he loses a few games, and it will be a negative hate fest, but ill not surprised if we keep him, I think the owners will look at the Southampton and Ipswich games as a barometer. And if he does well then, we are going to find # no excuses

How do you mean, all guilty? We are guilty for nothing. Just because RVN was so bad, it was still the correct decision to get rid of Cooper. I still find it mad the board employed Cooper in the first place. Just because RVN was soo bad Cooper and the board have got off the hook a little. 

 

 

I actually think if they had been employed the other way round we our squad might be in a better spot. I certainly don't feel guilt for hounding out a manager that was truly awful. People forget how bad he was because RVN is even worst

 

Cooper = atrocious decision (1 out of 10)

RVN = atrocious decision (0.5 out of 10)

 

 

 

[King Claudio]

12 minutes ago, teblin said:

Caveat here  don’t want him to stay on, but if he does he needs to appoint an experienced assistant like Mike Phelen or somebody like that.

 

Also need someone with some insight and knowledge above him too as a sporting director.

I would be behind that. The money sacking him would be far better spent on these. 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, JimJams said:

The thing is, is he making the point he hasn't got the players to implement his style or is he saying they're just not fit enough for it? Because he likely won't get many new faces in to play whatever his brand of football is.  So if he's saying it's just a case of upping fitness I can advocate for that, but whilst I do think we need to be far better fitness wise, it's not like we've started games all guns blazing and noticeably waned later in the game from fatigue. We're never on it.  A good press requires a good level of fitness to implement well over the course of a match, but even without that level, there should still be evidence that you can work a press early in the game.  That's coaching.  And we've not seen that at all.

Thing is we stuck with Coopers back room staff until when was it Jan/Feb brought in Barry Murphy and King. You could say there has been a slight improvement since then overall, more changes player wise. The squad is poor overall. Obviously Southampton were really shit, but there were points during that game we utterly dominated them and played technically good football. 
 

It’s difficult these days as people expect instant success which is why adequate succession planning and a competent DOF and strategy is important. Going back 10 years a manager would expect 6 to 9 month before they fully had impact. Look at O’Neill, we were atrocious even in the playoffs really Stoke outplayed us, pretty lucky vs Palace. Only the 2nd season did we begin to see his impact. Constant swapping with no clear direction isn’t gonna help us as we are going back to square one. If Dyche and Martin are the best they can offer clearly showing their scattergun approach with style, then what’s the point?!
 

 

[King Claudio]

3 minutes ago, DezFox said:

How do you mean, all guilty? We are guilty for nothing. Just because RVN was so bad, it was still the correct decision to get rid of Cooper. I still find it mad the board employed Cooper in the first place. Just because RVN was soo bad Cooper and the board have got off the hook a little. 

 

 

I actually think if they had been employed the other way round we our squad might be in a better spot. I certainly don't feel guilt for hounding out a manager that was truly awful. People forget how bad he was because RVN is even worst

 

Cooper = atrocious decision (1 out of 10)

RVN = atrocious decision (0.5 out of 10)

 

 

 

Cooper was a terrible decision. 

 

What I find strange is Corberan was an obvious choice and seemingly in contention, however the compensation put them off which was circa 3m. We then proceed to waste that same amount on Coulibaly. 

[Gubbins]

Amazing what a win over the joint worst prem team ever has done to some of you. If Danny Ward managed to stop a mishit, slow moving shot that was heading straight at him you wouldn't decide to offer him a new contract! He is statistically our worst ever manager, has absolutely no rapport with the fans and has shown literally nothing to suggest hel get any better. He's recognised a few of our waster players are twats. Wow. Hardly makes him Clough reborn.

[DezFox]

29 minutes ago, King Claudio said:

Cooper was a terrible decision. 

 

What I find strange is Corberan was an obvious choice and seemingly in contention, however the compensation put them off which was circa 3m. We then proceed to waste that same amount on Coulibaly. 

yes its just one bad decision after another. Mark my words, there will be some decision this summer that will be laughable, why would it suddenly change.

Edited 5 May 2025 by DezFox

[JimJams]

I'm wondering if they think that we'll go back up regardless of who is in charge.  Then maybe bin him off on promotion if other options are available.  I wouldn't be surprised at that at all.

It's a dangerous game to play, but it could work.

[Foxin_Mad]

5 minutes ago, King Claudio said:

Cooper was a terrible decision. 

 

What I find strange is Corberan was an obvious choice and seemingly in contention, however the compensation put them off which was circa 3m. We then proceed to waste that same amount on Coulibaly. 

Even more bizarre when we spaffed 70k a week or whatever on Eduoard who has done absolutely **** all for either manager, who’s decided that? Sackable on its own!

 

4 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Amazing what a win over the joint worst prem team ever has done to some of you. If Danny Ward managed to stop a mishit, slow moving shot that was heading straight at him you wouldn't decide to offer him a new contract! He is statistically our worst ever manager, has absolutely no rapport with the fans and has shown literally nothing to suggest hel get any better. He's recognised a few of our waster players are twats. Wow. Hardly makes him Clough reborn.

Ok so do you trust the muppets in charge to bring in a better manager, say Martin who they love, you saw the state of that Southampton team right? Even more dog shit than us, that’s the next guy THEY want! 

[Foxin_Mad]

2 minutes ago, JimJams said:

I'm wondering if they think that we'll go back up regardless of who is in charge.  Then maybe bin him off on promotion if other options are available.  I wouldn't be surprised at that at all.

It's a dangerous game to play, but it could work.

It could work, any manager is a risk unless you bring in an old schooler like Warnock. The Championship standard is lower and largely the teams we play will be worse than Southampton so there is potential is he agrees to work with a very low budget, young players, clear out expensive dead wood it might work. 

[teblin]

10 minutes ago, King Claudio said:

Cooper was a terrible decision. 

 

What I find strange is Corberan was an obvious choice and seemingly in contention, however the compensation put them off which was circa 3m. We then proceed to waste that same amount on Coulibaly. 

CC has done an amazing job at Valencia, we’re 2nd bottom when he took over. Sure he’s only 4 point of European qualifying now.

[JimJams]

Is the track record of permanent managers that bad? Or just a case that they've put the worst 2 back to back?

Pearson > Ranieri > Shakespeare > Puel > Rodgers > Maresca > Cooper > Ruud

 

Not put Smith in as he was a short term roll of the dice.

[SafewayFox]

33 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Normally when a manager comes in and sees a squad unfit. There is an uptick in performances related to them getting fit. He has had half a season and been utter dogshit

You read my mind mate.

 

Ruud has overseen not only the hideous records….how people gloss over that is beyond me.

 

But, also seen us look one of the unfittest PL squads in recent memory.

 

His lack of back room staff highlights how out of his depth he is.

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Is the track record of permanent managers that bad? Or just a case that they've put the worst 2 back to back?

Pearson > Ranieri > Shakespeare > Puel > Rodgers > Maresca > Cooper > Ruud

 

Not put Smith in as he was a short term roll of the dice.

The poor signings seem to be quite contemporary for sure, Maresca was very good but it must have been a punt, surely?

Will agree though, overall it’s not terrible.

[KansasFox]

16 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Amazing what a win over the joint worst prem team ever has done to some of you. If Danny Ward managed to stop a mishit, slow moving shot that was heading straight at him you wouldn't decide to offer him a new contract! He is statistically our worst ever manager, has absolutely no rapport with the fans and has shown literally nothing to suggest hel get any better. He's recognised a few of our waster players are twats. Wow. Hardly makes him Clough reborn.

Rudkin would

[Foxin_Mad]

6 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

You read my mind mate.

 

Ruud has overseen not only the hideous records….how people gloss over that is beyond me.

 

But, also seen us look one of the unfittest PL squads in recent memory.

 

His lack of back room staff highlights how out of his depth he is.

But conversely looked a million times fitter and more professional than Martins Southampton the guy who apparently tops the Kpfc shortlist 

[jamfox]

36 minutes ago, DezFox said:

How do you mean, all guilty? We are guilty for nothing. Just because RVN was so bad, it was still the correct decision to get rid of Cooper. I still find it mad the board employed Cooper in the first place. Just because RVN was soo bad Cooper and the board have got off the hook a little. 

 

 

I actually think if they had been employed the other way round we our squad might be in a better spot. I certainly don't feel guilt for hounding out a manager that was truly awful. People forget how bad he was because RVN is even worst

 

Cooper = atrocious decision (1 out of 10)

RVN = atrocious decision (0.5 out of 10)

 

 

 

 

Because it was a rushed appointment under pressure. We had no real plan, and we added to that noise. Do you think someone else could have saved us? I do not think Pep Jesus Ancelotti would have given us more than another few wins. we would be better off he had had just stuck with Cooper at least financially if nothing else.  I agree Cooper was the wrong choice to start with FYI 

Edited 5 May 2025 by jamfox

[DezFox]

3 minutes ago, jamfox said:

 

Because it was a rushed appointment under pressure. We had no real plan, and we added to that noise. Do you think someone else could have saved us? I do not think Pep Jesus Ancelotti would have given us more than another few wins. we would be better off he had had just stuck with Cooper at least financially if nothing else.  

I don’t think many could have saved us but I think many would have done better than these 2. Both awful.

 

All I’m saying is that we should feel no guilt whatsoever. We are not in any way responsible for any of it. I Don’t think noise created by fans has had any impact of the clubs awful decisions. Not sure the club even know we exist haha.  

[Foxin_Mad]

21 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Is the track record of permanent managers that bad? Or just a case that they've put the worst 2 back to back?

Pearson > Ranieri > Shakespeare > Puel > Rodgers > Maresca > Cooper > Ruud

 

Not put Smith in as he was a short term roll of the dice.

You forgot Sousa and Sven

 

Funnily enough if we had stuck with Dean Smith I think we would have gone up and stayed up like Villa did. 

[Foxin_Mad]

9 minutes ago, jamfox said:

 

Because it was a rushed appointment under pressure. We had no real plan, and we added to that noise. Do you think someone else could have saved us? I do not think Pep Jesus Ancelotti would have given us more than another few wins. we would be better off he had had just stuck with Cooper at least financially if nothing else.  I agree Cooper was the wrong choice to start with FYI 

The big issue is we needed a completely different squad of donkeys and journeymen for Cooper to work. To get from tippy tappy to anti football in one step and back again was the most ridiculous. 
 

The strangest thing is that both managers an Enzo persisted with Faes who is our biggest issue imo along with Soumare. The best old school defender we have his Souttar who was playing well at Sheffield utd before his injury.