Foxes Trust latest statement!

[foxinsocks]

Few things:

The club have unreasonable control over the FAB and the trust made a mistake in going along with it. Appeasement has failed.  The trust support should be withdrawn

 

It is reasonable that the discussion is confidential... however the trust reps should be able to reassure fans on the points put to the club...  It would be encouraging to see the club publish responses.... we can draw conclusions from silence.

 

The balance of control on the trust board is still the old guard... Steve and Lynne are good people and we have 3 new members... this will change furth at next agm.

 

We won the popular vote to change the rules but failed to get a 75% share to change the rules.  I urge fans to join the trust and vote for change. We have not given up on changing the rules. 

 

The trust have proposed a governance review that kicks the can down the road.  The review will take years amd so the reform group will push on.

 

The frustration we all have is why we must push for reform and change the board of the trust.

 

The loyalty tax, banning orders,  ticket pricing,  ticket transfer rules  in favor of crappy resale option, safeguarding, £ for signing photos, talent management, ambition, player recruitment, lack of succession planning,  fan confidence in rudkin and hurley, safe standing  singing section, community engagement, board Psr responsibility....  there are so many issues to press the club. The trust should publically press the club on all these.   

 

Further it is clear the trust needs to  reorganize itself.... and it is doing so.  But it is the cautious,  appeasing leadership of the board that has some way to go.  We will get there... the next agm is crucial (or extraordinary general meeting as necessary).  600 members is tiny.   Join... amd Tell your friends to do so.

[broughtonblue]

7 hours ago, PAULCFC said:

I'm a member of the foxes trust reform group,Paid my £10 and would like to know what was said at the meeting.......as would quite a few on here i'd imagine.Otherwise it's no better than the clubs silence on everything.Not having a go at the new members there because i think it'll take some time to get things going,but a statement like that isn't going to get any more potential members interested and i thought that's what they wanted?

So, can I ask exactly what you get for your £10 membership? This is not an antagonistic question, but it seems you don't know anymore than the rest of us, thus putting others off joining.

[Benji]

Pathetic.  The usual snobbery and disdain for “the rest of us” you see in any organisation like this, and believe me I see it a lot in my line of work.

[Scotch]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

...and one person is easy to ignore if they don't have the backing in numbers. We have circa 30k fans attending matches and many more who go when they can, with the FT only having 600 members there is no reason for the club to believe they represent the majority and therefore can justifiably, in there eyes ignore the FT.

 

Lone voices carry no weight.

 

Even todays action unless it produces momentum among the fans and in the media will be easy for them to ignore or at best pay lip service to it  probably via the FAB.

Thats a fair point but they can have 30k members, if the wider fanbase isn't being kept in the loop then it makes no difference. That's my point. That meeting could have went well with the club promising allsorts and saying the right things, we don't know and because we don't know, our frustrations increase and it's hard to see the point of these groups at all. They are telling us as much as the club is.... nothing. 

[PAULCFC]

3 hours ago, broughtonblue said:

So, can I ask exactly what you get for your £10 membership? This is not an antagonistic question, but it seems you don't know anymore than the rest of us, thus putting others off joining.

Exactly! Got a certificate and that's about it!

[davieG]

5 hours ago, Scotch said:

Thats a fair point but they can have 30k members, if the wider fanbase isn't being kept in the loop then it makes no difference. That's my point. That meeting could have went well with the club promising allsorts and saying the right things, we don't know and because we don't know, our frustrations increase and it's hard to see the point of these groups at all. They are telling us as much as the club is.... nothing. 

With 30k members they'd have their email addresses and probably phone numbers so easy to keep them in the know and take polls.

 

When they're negotiating if the they can say we represent the views of 10k/20k/30k fans then that automatically gives them a position of strength. 600 members and £10k (guessed) in the bank will mean nothing to the club.

[Scotch]

18 minutes ago, davieG said:

With 30k members they'd have their email addresses and probably phone numbers so easy to keep them in the know and take polls.

 

When they're negotiating if the they can say we represent the views of 10k/20k/30k fans then that automatically gives them a position of strength. 600 members and £10k (guessed) in the bank will mean nothing to the club.

....but if they can't relay that information on to the rest of us, what good is it? 

 

Let me ask you this, do you feel any better or know any more now than you did before they had that meeting? If the answer is no then the meeting and the group is pointless. 

[davieG]

Just now, Scotch said:

....but if they can't relay that information on to the rest of us, what good is it? 

 

Let me ask you this, do you feel any better or know any more now than you did before they had that meeting? If the answer is no then the meeting and the group is pointless. 

t's not about that meeting it's about how we go forward and change the balance of power. The agreement for confidentiality  was made by the FT board who'd been there for years and with only 300 members, of course they could do better but with better backing of membership numbers a revitalised FT could demand and get more.

[5waller5]

19 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

We represent you, we had a really important meeting, we can't tell you what happened.....

A perfect summary.

 

[foxinsocks]

4 hours ago, 5waller5 said:

A perfect summary.

 

 

11 hours ago, broughtonblue said:

So, can I ask exactly what you get for your £10 membership? This is not an antagonistic question, but it seems you don't know anymore than the rest of us, thus putting others off joining.

Guys you are both right... this is the problem we are trying to address. The club have groomed the trust who believe they are better not to antagonise the club.   This approach has not worked... the club treat the trust and the fabs as fools. 

We want the trust to be outspoken and to  speak the truth to the club ... to call them out and stop pussy footing around.  To do this we must change the board of the trudt... and that needs members to join and vote. 

At worst the balance if power will be changed by this time next year... I wish it were sooner. 

So yes, by joining now you will get a certificate and the mushroom treatment... but you will be helping us make the change.

I believe that once the trust has a leadership that challenges the club then more and more fans will join (as per @davieG post )  so that the trust cannot be ignored.  This is the way forward and you can help reform the trust by signing up to the trust and  emailing [email protected]

 

Right now we are not mincing our words with the current trust board.  When the trust is reformed we will hold the club to account. I promise.

[Stadt]

The non-disclosure stuff is ridiculous and the antithesis of fan engagement.

[Gamble92]

I got a certificate and an email asking why I joined. I replied "because I want to remove you and take over myself"

 

Not heard anything back since 

[foxinsocks]

7 minutes ago, Stadt said:

The non-disclosure stuff is ridiculous and the antithesis of fan engagement.

It is the open and  listening approach of king power.  It should be called out

[Mickyblueeyes]

 It was also interesting to note her passion for the club in responding and wanting to provide answers, subject to confidentiality. There was a genuine desire to take on-board views from a supporter perspective and to explore possible solutions, short- and long-term.
 

Foxes Trust - can you explain what it was that demonstrated Whelan’s passion you felt compelled to mention here ? Did she get up and bang on the table while repeatedly chanting Foxes Never Quit ? What was it ? This bit alongside the “other directors” comment displays the ineptitude of a bunch of under qualified people holding meetings beyond their usual pay grade. There was no need for this - after one meeting with a CEO who has seen the value of the business plummet at an alarmingly and so absent that people question if she “gets involved in football”.

 

The other directors comments is critical to show how under qualified the current board is. Either Rudkin was there or he wasn’t. If he wasn’t there, that absolutely needs to be expressly set out in any statement. And suggesting you’re bound by confidentiality, part of leadership is communicating efficiently. Instead of your ridiculous love in comments because Whelan said hello to you, should be a clear communication “other directors were present but expressly requested confidentiality which was disappointing” fans would appreciate reading between the lines. 
 

And if he wasn’t there, don’t you feel it’s necessary to flag. 
 

Just a quick google of the foxes trust leadership and you can see they lack any sort of background to offer any value to the fan base at this time. Like a lot of other things associated with the club, not fit for purpose.

[CosbehFox]

44 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 It was also interesting to note her passion for the club in responding and wanting to provide answers, subject to confidentiality. There was a genuine desire to take on-board views from a supporter perspective and to explore possible solutions, short- and long-term.
 

Foxes Trust - can you explain what it was that demonstrated Whelan’s passion you felt compelled to mention here ? Did she get up and bang on the table while repeatedly chanting Foxes Never Quit ? What was it ? This bit alongside the “other directors” comment displays the ineptitude of a bunch of under qualified people holding meetings beyond their usual pay grade. There was no need for this - after one meeting with a CEO who has seen the value of the business plummet at an alarmingly and so absent that people question if she “gets involved in football”.

 

The other directors comments is critical to show how under qualified the current board is. Either Rudkin was there or he wasn’t. If he wasn’t there, that absolutely needs to be expressly set out in any statement. And suggesting you’re bound by confidentiality, part of leadership is communicating efficiently. Instead of your ridiculous love in comments because Whelan said hello to you, should be a clear communication “other directors were present but expressly requested confidentiality which was disappointing” fans would appreciate reading between the lines. 
 

And if he wasn’t there, don’t you feel it’s necessary to flag. 
 

Just a quick google of the foxes trust leadership and you can see they lack any sort of background to offer any value to the fan base at this time. Like a lot of other things associated with the club, not fit for purpose.

This has been mentioned a few times and I hate using the volunteer defence but it has to be remembered that this is dictated by people actively wanting to get involved. 
 

If people want to change how the leadership, the board, the profile of the members, then it’s a democratic organisation whereby this can occur. 
 

Apathy has led to various parts of the club being in this situation. The Trust do regularly ask for that help - you can get yourself on a sub group if you can illustrate a CV, finance for example that expertise is stacked 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

56 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 It was also interesting to note her passion for the club in responding and wanting to provide answers, subject to confidentiality. There was a genuine desire to take on-board views from a supporter perspective and to explore possible solutions, short- and long-term.
 

Foxes Trust - can you explain what it was that demonstrated Whelan’s passion you felt compelled to mention here ? Did she get up and bang on the table while repeatedly chanting Foxes Never Quit ? What was it ? This bit alongside the “other directors” comment displays the ineptitude of a bunch of under qualified people holding meetings beyond their usual pay grade. There was no need for this - after one meeting with a CEO who has seen the value of the business plummet at an alarmingly and so absent that people question if she “gets involved in football”.

 

The other directors comments is critical to show how under qualified the current board is. Either Rudkin was there or he wasn’t. If he wasn’t there, that absolutely needs to be expressly set out in any statement. And suggesting you’re bound by confidentiality, part of leadership is communicating efficiently. Instead of your ridiculous love in comments because Whelan said hello to you, should be a clear communication “other directors were present but expressly requested confidentiality which was disappointing” fans would appreciate reading between the lines. 
 

And if he wasn’t there, don’t you feel it’s necessary to flag. 
 

Just a quick google of the foxes trust leadership and you can see they lack any sort of background to offer any value to the fan base at this time. Like a lot of other things associated with the club, not fit for purpose.

I can only assume by "other directors" they'll mean the Comms Director and possibly the stadium ops manager.

[Mickyblueeyes]

13 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

This has been mentioned a few times and I hate using the volunteer defence but it has to be remembered that this is dictated by people actively wanting to get involved. 
 

If people want to change how the leadership, the board, the profile of the members, then it’s a democratic organisation whereby this can occur. 
 

Apathy has led to various parts of the club being in this situation. The Trust do regularly ask for that help - you can get yourself on a sub group if you can illustrate a CV, finance for example that expertise is stacked 

The thing about volunteer organisations is time. People who can add genuine value being able to allocate enough time to provide genuine value. And the reality is most who could do that, can’t. That’s true for every not for profit organisation up and down the country, 

 

How people counteract that is by creating a “board of advisors” to contribute, advise, help deliver on the project. For example, there isn’t a Comms professional, accountant, lawyer, dr, fighter jet pilot or anyone else who would sign off on a statement expressly praising a CEO who has been awol since 2017. What is there to gain. I can’t understand how the sign off meeting went off, with no information being provided (which already would’ve wound up a irate fan base) to expressly praise an idiot who is at the forefront of the issues of the club. Like was there a show of hands and the question being, shall we piss them off some more. 

 

Volunteering is fine - the board should actively look on how to reduce their shortcomings / there are plenty of capable LCFC fans who might not have the time or want to be a “board/committee member”. 

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The thing about volunteer organisations is time. People who can add genuine value being able to allocate enough time to provide genuine value. And the reality is most who could do that, can’t. That’s true for every not for profit organisation up and down the country, 

 

How people counteract that is by creating a “board of advisors” to contribute, advise, help deliver on the project. For example, there isn’t a Comms professional, accountant, lawyer, dr, fighter jet pilot or anyone else who would sign off on a statement expressly praising a CEO who has been awol since 2017. What is there to gain. I can’t understand how the sign off meeting went off, with no information being provided (which already would’ve wound up a irate fan base) to expressly praise an idiot who is at the forefront of the issues of the club. Like was there a show of hands and the question being, shall we piss them off some more. 

 

Volunteering is fine - the board should actively look on how to reduce their shortcomings / there are plenty of capable LCFC fans who might not have the time or want to be a “board/committee member”.

 

The latter paragraph does occur - the Trust have repeatedly asked for example for legal help but have had very little traction but I think it’s done in a manner way which makes it seem more onerous.
 

One of the big challenges is for us new members to open that up and take away some of the ‘smoke’ around it. Or certain get people encouraged enough that if they take a spot, they will have support
 

 

 

[RYM]

33 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

This has been mentioned a few times and I hate using the volunteer defence but it has to be remembered that this is dictated by people actively wanting to get involved. 
 

If people want to change how the leadership, the board, the profile of the members, then it’s a democratic organisation whereby this can occur. 
 

Apathy has led to various parts of the club being in this situation. The Trust do regularly ask for that help - you can get yourself on a sub group if you can illustrate a CV, finance for example that expertise is stacked 

I just wish there was someone with a lifetime of supporting LCFC and a decade of Fan Engagement and Communications experience in football that would apply to the Trust.

 

Can’t be many of those types about but it’s exactly the sort of person they could do with  listening to…

[CosbehFox]

Just now, RYM said:

I just wish there was someone with a lifetime of supporting LCFC and a decade of Fan Engagement and Communications experience in football that would apply to the Trust.

 

Can’t be many of those types about but it’s exactly the sort of person they could do with  listening to…

I nearly directly mentioned to Micky and kinda of my nod on the latter point was those people need support too. 

[RYM]

5 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

I nearly directly mentioned to Micky and kinda of my nod on the latter point was those people need support too. 

The battle you’ll have mate amongst many others is attracting people on the basis they’ll be listened to. They absolutely won’t be.
 

My short stint is a perfect example of the trust not wanting to listen or wanting a solution. They just want to be perceived as “putting the pressure on” in some pathetic 

 Pochettino-esque way.

In the summer when the club were shafting us all on crap communications and anything to do with FE, as they bumbled their way through constructing an utterly flawed FE strategy the trust had access to all of my “CV” as you put it. I even offered to speak to Anthony and Imogen directly but Ian et al didn’t want that. So the desire for expertise is not there unfortunately.

 

You know the rest more than most but don’t be fooled by thinking those donuts will listen and don’t take the flack on here either for their incompetence when it comes to “holding the club accountable” as they describe in their aims.

[ithuriel]

Bit of a useless organisation really,  the club really does not listen anymore and rarely if ever tells anyone what is going on, the FT is just another token gesture meant to appease any unease but in the end if they were not there, I doubt it would make any difference at all.

Thats my tuppence worth anyway.

[foxinsocks]

10 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

Bit of a useless organisation really,  the club really does not listen anymore and rarely if ever tells anyone what is going on, the FT is just another token gesture meant to appease any unease but in the end if they were not there, I doubt it would make any difference at all.

Thats my tuppence worth anyway.

You suggest we do nothing?  

 

We are a few seats away from making the trust a more outspoken challenging force to call out the club ... this will happen... some of us are putting time into this reform... all we ask is support.

 

Further, I believe that more fans will join the trust when it starts to speak out on the fan issues that matter.  Join up abd support change...

If it  becomes a lost cause I will let you know.

[RYM]

1 minute ago, foxinsocks said:

You suggest we do nothing?  

 

We are a few seats away from making the trust a more outspoken challenging force to call out the club ... this will happen... some of us are putting time into this reform... all we ask is support.

 

Further, I believe that more fans will join the trust when it starts to speak out on the fan issues that matter.  Join up abd support change...

If it  becomes a lost cause I will let you know.

I think your efforts are brilliant BTW, you know that. 

 

Another huge challenge is now Ian has let the club create the clubs perfect FAB unchallenged (and mariculously found his own place on it by not upsetting Anthony during the process) the FT, UFS etc have now lost any voice at all. Everything, as we saw from the pathetic trust statement on Friday goes back to the FAB "are now putting the pressure on". The Trust are even further behind now but it's the same BS.

 

This summer was a monumental f**k up by the club and by the trust. I would still suggest there are people in the trust who have absolutely abused their board positions, have completely ignored the trusts aims  all for self-gain, incompetence or just CBA.

 

The Trust board need holding to account for that, for letting the club engineer that kind of FAB, they too need an internal investigation and need to stop hiding behind "we are just volunteers"

 

Would love to hear from @Foxes_Trust on how all these "aims" have progressed over the last 24,18, 12 and 6 months. Should be an easy little project that.

 

[davieG]

11 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I believe that more fans will join the trust

Not when you have to renew every year for £10 people will not bother unless something dramatic happens and I don't mean relegation.

 

FT can only impact change if it has significant numbers. Money in the bank is irrelevant.

 

Make it a £1 to join for 5yrs/10yrs/lifetime . FT needs to have 5 / 10 / 15 thousands members not money in the bank.

 

Money can be raised as and when needed.