Harry Winks Axed

[nnfox]

All this baby talk is frankly nonsense (assuming the baby is fit and healthy).

 

If your chosen career in any field, not just football, sees you have the ambition to operate at the very top of the industry globally, in a hyper competitive role that a good proportion of the population would give their right arm to have the opportunity to do, then you have to make sacrifices.  You can't just do whatever you want, you have to dedicate your life to your chosen trade.

 

Harry Winks, I'm sure has dedicated a big portion of his life to be a Premier League footballer.  I'm sure he'd say that he has made lots of sacrifices throughout his life but the fact is, that level of dedication has to remain - even with a baby.  Some players can be footballer and father without any difficulty, others know that they won't be able to spend as much time as they or their partner might like them to in a family setting but I'm sorry, it comes with the territory.  Ask any footballer who has a newborn, lives 100 miles away and plays in the National League if they would like a contract with a Premier League club (or even Championship) with the unwritten expectation that they may have to stay in a luxury hotel room once a week at the ground.  I'd think that they would sign without a moment's hesitation 100 times out of 100.

 

I don't know the exact reasons for RVN wanting him to stay over, but the mention of a 100 mile commute suggests to me that he is either turning up late, turning up tired or is itching to get away at the end of the day.  Maybe all three.  The reason really matters not.  Nobody told Winks that he was not allowed to buy or rent a home closer to his workplace.  

 

The team is in a very poor state.  It's terrible.  There seems to be a certain level of laziness and lack of caring throughout the squad, which makes me sick.  If RVN is trying to raise standards and sees this as a reasonable request to make, then I'm fully behind him.

 

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

2 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Yes they are but they're also human 

So are service men and women who have to drop everything to go on a 6 month tour of duty for crap pay not knowing whether they’ll ever see their newborn again 

 

Perspective, 

[dooflip]

50 minutes ago, Seventyseven said:

Self employed don’t get it.

 

Some jobs will pay a week and then a week at statutory which is peanuts. 
 

Baffling why people defend a millionaire athlete because his wife has had a baby. 

Yep one week full pay one week statutory was what I got. Some jobs you can add annual leave on, but not jobs where annual leave is specified to certain dates. Speaking from experience.

[RedSoxUK]

2 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

So are service men and women who have to drop everything to go on a 6 month tour of duty for crap pay not knowing whether they’ll ever see their newborn again 

 

Perspective, 

Yeah they get paternity leave and can take it too. The point was Winks didn't take his, then gets told to spend a night here while not taking his leave due to stigmas probably.

 

Servicemen also know their terms. You don't join the army and then say naaa, not going overseas when it would be implied they might have to. Winks quite clearly got an okay to commute when he joined. This is like getting a WFH job where it stipulates you're permanently WFH but then the employer turns around and says you have to come in on Mondays - contractually they can get to **** which is why they can't force Winks to move and can't force him to spend the night.

 

[The Year Of The Fox]

4 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

Yeah they get paternity leave and can take it too. The point was Winks didn't take his, then gets told to spend a night here while not taking his leave due to stigmas probably.

 

Servicemen also know their terms. You don't join the army and then say naaa, not going overseas when it would be implied they might have to. Winks quite clearly got an okay to commute when he joined. This is like getting a WFH job where it stipulates you're permanently WFH but then the employer turns around and says you have to come in on Mondays - contractually they can get to **** which is why they can't force Winks to move and can't force him to spend the night.

 

Different managers make different rules?

 

Do you think Gerrard refused to pay a £100 fine for being late to training under Benitez because it used to be a £50 fine under Houllier?

 

Likewise, terms for uniform service can change under a new government. The servicemen/women don’t get a say in that. 

 

 

Edited 4 April by The Year Of The Fox

[Winstonthedog]

How about the entire squad and the manager are made to stop in the hotel opposite the KP everytime they fail to score or put in a sh1t performance... that may wake them up to the reality of the situation 

[nnfox]

3 minutes ago, Winstonthedog said:

How about the entire squad and the manager are made to stop in the hotel opposite the KP everytime they fail to score or put in a sh1t performance... that may wake them up to the reality of the situation 

I'd be on board with this.  Would guarantee that we wouldn't go 7 games without scoring.  But there it is - the players are too comfortable.

[dooflip]

12 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

So are service men and women who have to drop everything to go on a 6 month tour of duty for crap pay not knowing whether they’ll ever see their newborn again 

 

Perspective, 

Too right. I actually experienced this first hand. Parents were still together but my dad was never around. Served at every conflict, disaster etc from falklands to the last Iraq war, which obviously included Afghanistan. The nights I spent awake wondering if I’d ever see him again…

 

Early one Sunday morning when my siblings were toddlers, my mum took a call from Whitehall informing her that her husband had been taken ill in Sierra Leone with a suspected heart attack, and that the un hospital he was in had come under attack.

 

Harry Winks can stay at seagrave one night a week, or move his family closer. If Vesty is allowed to bring his dog, the baby is probably welcome!

[RedSoxUK]

16 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Different managers make different rules?

 

Do you think Gerrard refused to pay a £100 fine for being late to training under Benitez because it used to be a £50 fine under Houllier?

 

Likewise, terms for uniform service can change under a new government. The servicemen/women don’t get a say in that. 

 

 

That's a bit different to being made to relocate or take up residential somewhere after the fact. That's not happening.

 

Leicester won't enforce a 'live within x miles' because it severely limits options as many many players live London / Manchester.

 

The main lever we have here is focussing on youth players already in the area who grew up / have family in the area who are less likely to move away from Leicestershire for shits and giggles.

 

 

[Lesterlad]

33 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

So are service men and women who have to drop everything to go on a 6 month tour of duty for crap pay not knowing whether they’ll ever see their newborn again 

 

Perspective, 

Ruddy bell wouldn’t put a primar dinar footballer in same category as someone being shot at or at  risk of being blown up in combat 

[pmcla26]

4 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

That's a bit different to being made to relocate or take up residential somewhere after the fact. That's not happening.

 

Leicester won't enforce a 'live within x miles' because it severely limits options as many many players live London / Manchester.

 

The main lever we have here is focussing on youth players already in the area who grew up / have family in the area who are less likely to move away from Leicestershire for shits and giggles.

 

 

Exactly. Didn’t matter when our players were decent. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

7 minutes ago, Lesterlad said:

Ruddy bell wouldn’t put a primar dinar footballer in same category as someone being shot at or at  risk of being blown up in combat 

Like I said

 

Perspective 

[honeybradger]

Why does it matter if Ruud was justified in freezing Winks out for not staying 1 day a week? 

 

Winks needs to be shifted even if he lived 1 minute away from Seagrave, he's a mediocre player on ridiculous wages which we cannot afford. I support him getting frozen out for that reason alone.

 

Edited 4 April by honeybradger

[Hales]

Big Sam says its extremely unprofessional

[foxile5]

It's a shit excuse and everyone can see that. 

Almost EVERY job will require periods of time spent away from families and almost no jobs pay as lucratively as his. 

 

Zero excuses in my opinion.

 

He'd have been out on the piss at the start of the season in Denmark whilst his Mrs was heavily pregnant. But I suppose that doesn't matter for reasons.

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, RedSoxUK said:

Yeah they get paternity leave and can take it too. The point was Winks didn't take his, then gets told to spend a night here while not taking his leave due to stigmas probably.

 

Servicemen also know their terms. You don't join the army and then say naaa, not going overseas when it would be implied they might have to. Winks quite clearly got an okay to commute when he joined. This is like getting a WFH job where it stipulates you're permanently WFH but then the employer turns around and says you have to come in on Mondays - contractually they can get to **** which is why they can't force Winks to move and can't force him to spend the night.

 

And in the same way, contract aside, if you can’t be arsed to go and work in an office for 1 day a week, you’re a bit of a dick. If it’s out of principle I mean and ‘because you can’. Look I’m in favour of flexibility at work and work/life balance. In your example, I hate these senior bosses at large corporations who say people aren’t productive at home and should be back in the office full time. But hybrid is good. 
 

But I do think you have to give a bit back.

[moore_94]

I find it very hard to put my faith in Ruud’s actions regarding the attitudes of our players whilst he continues to start every game with likes of

 

Faes - who has come out saying he wants to leave in the summer and always blames everyone else when he does something wrong

 

Soumare - who for 99.9% of the time puts in the same effort on the pitch as a hungover fat bloke in sunday league (genuinely all he needs to do is throw up on the side of the pitch every so often and it would be no different)

 

Imagine having those kind of people in your team at your work and your manager being accepting of it and persisting with them and then they start criticising you for something which most sane people would see why you are doing it and have no issue with it (or would at least be reasonable with it rather than booting you off the team)

Edited 4 April by moore_94

[moore_94]

People can talk about him trying to change the mindset of the team blah blah blah but there is absolutely no point in him bothering until he figures out the tactical side properly and has us even manage to score a goal

 

What player would want to be on his side or want to actually play for him when you see how shite the tactical side of his manager ability is (the most important part) 

Edited 4 April by moore_94

[accessory]

Folk on here act as if Winks is the first City player to give priority to his family rather than the club.🙄

 

How many times has a certain senior player developed an "injury" or worse still, got himself suspended in order to spend more time (usually over Christmas) with his other half and their ever-expanding brood?

 

This has happened under a number of managers, not just RVN.

 

Is it any wonder team spirit is so low when the hierarchy treats some players with kid gloves and others with an iron fist?

[The Year Of The Fox]

3 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

People can talk about him trying to change the mindset of the team blah blah blah but there is absolutely no point in him bothering until he figures out the tactical side properly and has us even manage to score a goal

 

What player would want to be on his side or want to actually play for him when you see how shite the tactical side of his manager ability is (the most important part) 

Conversely I think it works the other way

 

You get the players to trust you as a person and vice versa and then you get them to trust you in the tactical/managerial side of things. 
 

 

 

[moore_94]

5 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

Conversely I think it works the other way

 

You get the players to trust you as a person and vice versa and then you get them to trust you in the tactical/managerial side of things. 
 

 

 

If you can clearly see your manager hasn’t got a bloody clue about the most important part of his job, why would you trust them to make other important decisions?

Edited 4 April by moore_94

[The Year Of The Fox]

Just now, moore_94 said:

If you can clearly see your manager hasn’t got a bloody clue about the most important part of his job, why would you trust them to make other important decisions?

I’m assuming they’ve been in mutiny from Day 1, before Ruuds tactical ineptitude at LCFC had been brought to light 

[StanSP]

Anyone else feel like this is all teetering on the edge for a big scandal to hit the club? 

All the standards have gone out the window and it's never boring being a Leicester fan. 

 

Perhaps good times are just round the corner and we just need to get past this very very shit time

 

[moore_94]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Anyone else feel like this is all teetering on the edge for a big scandal to hit the club? 

All the standards have gone out the window and it's never boring being a Leicester fan. 

 

Perhaps good times are just round the corner and we just need to get past this very very shit time

 

Rudkin is dating Top’s mum

 

Maybe that is why he said he can’t do anything else and why he hasn’t been sacked? 

Edited 4 April by moore_94

[Winstonthedog]

Given the situation they can all go and live on the moon for me ..... their are plenty of local non league players who would put in better performances with passion and intensity than the so called professionals we are having to put up with