Sean Dyche

[Chelmofox]

13 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

 

So you’re dead set against Dyche in comparison with candidates you cannot name and who we have no idea whether they would come to a club facing the prospect of losing many of its best players, financial Armageddon, with one of the worst directors of football in the English game, facing a points deduction and possibly a transfer embargo. Welcome to your dream job, Mr young, progressive, ambitious, talented coach! 

So we should give it to Dyche because we are a basket case?

[cheshamfox17]

26 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I think there is a fair few lists of potential managers, doing the rounds on here, who are young progressive and have the potential to come in and take us forward. 

Which of the young progressive managers mentioned do you think is a good fit then?

[cheshamfox17]

56 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Dyche and Pearson are only similar in the fact both have a persona that takes no shit, too be honest from a football perspective I would actually say Ritchie Wellens is more in the Pearson mould than Dyche. 
 

Dyche is more Gary Megson than Nigel Pearson. 

I do not want Dyche but I think some of the comparisons here are outrageous, he built Burnley from a Championship team to playing in Europe.

If a manager came in and did that for us we would worship the ground they walk on, to compare him to Gary Megson is wild.

[dooflip]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

 

Dyche is more Gary Megson than Nigel Pearson. 

There’s more to comparisons than hair colour mate.

[smudgerfox]

3 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So we should give it to Dyche because we are a basket case?

Does anyone dispute that we are a basket case? 
And if we are, I certainly believe we are, then we need a manager who can plot a route through the mess and lay down stronger foundations for the future. 
In other words the job needs to be understood for what it is. It will not just be about establishing a playing style, signing a few modest squad additions and coasting the Championship. We did that last time and look what happened. And the financial pressures are getting worse not better. And our attractiveness to would-be managers must be close to an all time low. We were close to the bottom of the barrel with DeanSmith, Cooper and RVN. 

[Dahnsouff]

19 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So we should give it to Dyche because we are a basket case?

Yes? 

[Claudio Fannieri]

33 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

 

So you’re dead set against Dyche in comparison with candidates you cannot name and who we have no idea whether they would come to a club facing the prospect of losing many of its best players, financial Armageddon, with one of the worst directors of football in the English game, facing a points deduction and possibly a transfer embargo. Welcome to your dream job, Mr young, progressive, ambitious, talented coach! 

I have named my shortlist many times, so my list of progressive young managers who are on the rise in terms of the managerial career would be (in no particular order) 

 

Miron Muslic - Plymouth

Danny Rohl - Sheffield Wednesday 

Ritchie Wellens - Leyton Orient 

Tom Cleverly - Watford (now available) 

Liam Manning - Bristol City 

 

I would also add Craig Bellamy who is doing a good job at Wales and was Kompanys assistant at Burnley and another outsider would be Reuben Selles did a very good job at Reading and Hull who are both basket case clubs, and is now available. 

[tinpot_fox]

9 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

Does anyone dispute that we are a basket case? 
And if we are, I certainly believe we are, then we need a manager who can plot a route through the mess and lay down stronger foundations for the future. 
In other words the job needs to be understood for what it is. It will not just be about establishing a playing style, signing a few modest squad additions and coasting the Championship. We did that last time and look what happened. And the financial pressures are getting worse not better. And our attractiveness to would-be managers must be close to an all time low. We were close to the bottom of the barrel with DeanSmith, Cooper and RVN. 

We’re a basket case because Top/king power probably still think we were a couple of lucky rebounded goals away from European football next season.

[Chelmofox]

10 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Yes? 

Awesome  

[smudgerfox]

16 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I have named my shortlist many times, so my list of progressive young managers who are on the rise in terms of the managerial career would be (in no particular order) 

 

Miron Muslic - Plymouth

Danny Rohl - Sheffield Wednesday 

Ritchie Wellens - Leyton Orient 

Tom Cleverly - Watford (now available) 

Liam Manning - Bristol City 

 

I would also add Craig Bellamy who is doing a good job at Wales and was Kompanys assistant at Burnley and another outsider would be Reuben Selles did a very good job at Reading and Hull who are both basket case clubs, and is now available. 

Some good suggestions - and obviously Rohl would be very interesting.

But you can see the problem with every one. None have managed a club of our size/status with the expectations that come with it. None have managed in the Premier League. And while many of them have managed a sh1tshow, not on the scale we are able to offer! 
 

We don’t score very high on managers’ usual criteria for taking a job. 
1 Transfer funds ( and funds for chosen support staff) 

2 chance of success v expectation of success

3 financial stability 

4 internal structure 

5 supportive fanbase 
 

 

 

 

 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

8 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

Some good suggestions - and obviously Rohl would be very interesting.

But you can see the problem with every one. None have managed a club of our size/status with the expectations that come with it. None have managed in the Premier League. And while many of them have managed a sh1tshow, not on the scale we are able to offer! 
 

We don’t score very high on managers’ usual criteria for taking a job. 
1 Transfer funds ( and funds for chosen support staff) 

2 chance of success v expectation of success

3 financial stability 

4 internal structure 

5 supportive fanbase 
 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you continuously always want a manager who has premier league experience or of managing a club of a similar size or stature then you are seriously reducing the size and potential of available managers. 
 

If we seriously want to get back to anything like a forward thinking progressive club then we need to be more proactive and innovative in our recruitment. The season we appointed Enzo was exactly the direction of travel, a bright young appointment with fresh ideas and energy, we then went back to the ‘safe’ option of Cooper and it lo and behold we went backwards not only in our preparation but also our recruitment. 
 

We were very successful in the recruitment of young hungry managers in the past, Little, McGhee, O’Neill, Pearson and Enzo were all largely untried at our level but yet all came in and had a very positive impact, that is a model we should be replicating as that as a far higher ceiling than appointing ‘safe’ options that have hit their peak and are now on a downward trajectory. 

[smudgerfox]

45 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

We were very successful in the recruitment of young hungry managers in the past, Little, McGhee, O’Neill, Pearson and Enzo were all largely untried at our level but yet all came in and had a very positive impact

So were Sousa, Levein, Holloway, Allen Sven and they didn’t have a positive impact. Any of the “bright young thing” names are a gamble - you could get Oliver Glasner, you could get Lopetegui….

[trooky]

2 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

 

So you’re dead set against Dyche in comparison with candidates you cannot name and who we have no idea whether they would come to a club facing the prospect of losing many of its best players, financial Armageddon, with one of the worst directors of football in the English game, facing a points deduction and possibly a transfer embargo. Welcome to your dream job, Mr young, progressive, ambitious, talented coach! 

Who's reported we're facing a transfer embargo and points deduction? 

[Noahfence]

I’m really scared at the amount of people who want him 

[Levi Port]

Watched him on the overlap and I find him intolerable   

[AjcW]

Absolute PR horror show from him on the overlap.

 

I think he'd actually started to build up a bit of momentum with his rest is football appearance.

 

But that was wild, it was like he'd come in after a big night out and was still drunk.

 

Bet his agent is fuming.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

3 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Where?! I so want this to be true but I can’t find anything….

https://foxesofleicester.com/van-nistelrooy-successor-sent-leicester-city-clear-not-interested-message

[goose2010]

4 minutes ago, AjcW said:

Absolute PR horror show from him on the overlap.

 

I think he'd actually started to build up a bit of momentum with his rest is football appearance.

 

But that was wild, it was like he'd come in after a big night out and was still drunk.

 

Bet his agent is fuming.

honestly think he is pushing for a TV career to be honest, starting to fit the bill as a Sky Pundit. It didnt come across great when he was on League of their own last year but it certainly feels like he will fit right in with the others. 

[Wink84]

3 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

Has Wellens managed in the Prem? Or even in the championship? Never mind his record at Burnley, he kept up an absolutely car crash Everton squad with Ashley Young a starting full back. And we need someone with the stature and track record to read the riot act to a group of take-the-piss footballers and to Rudkin, Top and Whelan. 
 

We are no longer an established Premier League club with the luxury of choosing playing style, we are a club in a huge financial hole and we need to get out of it while still turning in results. 

Exactly. At best we are returning as a yoyo club going forward in our current state, unless we are able to stay up and rebuild ourselves when we've established ourselves again. 

 

On current evidence, playing a certain style of football seems a disaster trying to stay up in the Premier League. 

 

I don't like it but perhaps our best bet would be someone like Dyche that has a record of staying in the Premier League under difficult circumstances. 

 

I think we'd all love a manager that plays good football, promotes our youth players and we can go and stay up but I don't think that's realistic. 

 

I would love to be wrong though.

[Wink84]

3 hours ago, cheshamfox17 said:

I do not want Dyche but I think some of the comparisons here are outrageous, he built Burnley from a Championship team to playing in Europe.

If a manager came in and did that for us we would worship the ground they walk on, to compare him to Gary Megson is wild.

That's exactly what O'Neill did with us, before he left for Celtic. Look how he's viewed here.

[Wink84]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I have named my shortlist many times, so my list of progressive young managers who are on the rise in terms of the managerial career would be (in no particular order) 

 

Miron Muslic - Plymouth

Danny Rohl - Sheffield Wednesday 

Ritchie Wellens - Leyton Orient 

Tom Cleverly - Watford (now available) 

Liam Manning - Bristol City 

 

I would also add Craig Bellamy who is doing a good job at Wales and was Kompanys assistant at Burnley and another outsider would be Reuben Selles did a very good job at Reading and Hull who are both basket case clubs, and is now available. 

Playing devils advocate, but they are all super risky and never managed a club our size or in the Premier League were we aim to be. Also none of them have came close to getting promoted (bar Manning who got thrashed 6-0 in the play off)

[ClaphamFox]

34 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

https://foxesofleicester.com/van-nistelrooy-successor-sent-leicester-city-clear-not-interested-message

Mmmm..the headline on that story is deeply misleading when you look at the actual quotes. He's just saying that he hasn't had the right offer yet but will consider any that come his way. He's definitely not saying he wouldn't be interested in managing us, unfortunately.

[Wink84]

56 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

I’m really scared at the amount of people who want him 

I'm not sure want is the right term, maybe they feel we need him or can't see a better alternative. 

[l444ry]

 

[kingfox]

1 hour ago, Wink84 said:

On current evidence, playing a certain style of football seems a disaster trying to stay up in the Premier League. 

Depends what style it is and more evidence seems to back that up. 
 

As I’ve mentioned on this forum before, the Premier League has shifted to a more fast & direct style, teams like Bournemouth, Forest, Brentford and Fulham in some way or other have got on trend with that. 
 

In Leicester’s case this season, a massive mistake we made this season imo is simply not getting on trend. When it comes to the nerdy stats like most counter attacks, direct speed of play, direct attacks, Leicester City rank as one of the worst in all three of those categories, Southampton are the same. 
 

If this is the direction the Premier League is going, then clubs like Leicester must change strategy. 
 

You either change strategy to get you out the Championship, rather than focus on heavy possession, or whoever the manager is must be someone who is willing to change style. 
 

In Sean Dyche’s case, is his style something you want to build with? On The Overlap, they actually said Sean Dyche is still the perfect fit for some clubs, but is that fit Leicester City, you can easily picture him at a club like Millwall, but Leicester City, if we want to get back to progressing, then as I’ve said, we need to get on trend. 
 

We need a manager who can play fast & direct, and utilise the pace we have in our team. Dyche is direct, but of course it’s an old school type of direct, do we really want to building with that type of style moving forwards 😕