Russell Martin

[Foxin_Mad]

4 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Looking forward to Brussel taking us on an unbeaten run like this, while using Choudhury as an inverted full-back 💪

Can’t wait to draw 1-1 with the likes of Rotherham with 98% possession at the back

 

5 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

You don’t get it do you, WE CANT HAVE A FRESH START WITH RUUD IN CHARGE 😂

we don’t with Martin either, same players brought back into the fold 

 

3 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

So that should rule him out

The time for gambling is over

We need a safe bet

(Martin isn’t that safe bet either)

exactly so don’t gamble on Martin

 

3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Is there any chance this isn’t true?

lets hope and pray

[Skid_1884]

36 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Cooper signed a load of shit and had a full pre season, RVN nothing.. is that to hard to understand ?

Moyes and Pereira didn’t have a pre season and they have done alright. 
 

Yes RVN has been dealt a bad hand but he has done himself no favours with the shit team selections and tactics while breaking unwanted records. Luke Thomas should have been in after the Villa away game as an example of how he should have seen these changes earlier.

 

He can’t warrant keeping his job in my opinion.

 

 

[moore_94]

Just now, Foxin_Mad said:

No but someone strong will deal with them, whereas Martin is likely to bring them into be key players again. I don’t want to watch most of them if I’m honest, I’m sick of this bunch. Rudd was sorting out Winks and Vestaguard. They are written and need keeping out of the environment. 

 

I’d rather go for someone a bit different Rohl, it’s a risk but I’m sick of the same old managers with no imagination. We need a bit more intensity, drive, fight, strength. To be honest I’d take Dyche over Martin but it doesn’t fit with the stupid style the club want. We need a DOF with a brain first

I worry with Ruud that it doesn't take much for a player to piss him off to get banished from the squad whilst he will still with continue with other players who should be nowhere near it

 

Soumare and Faes getting to play week in week out when they should be nowhere near even the match day squad - or even in Soumare's case he literally got dragged at half time and then called out by the manager, misses a game but then comes straight back in and looks like the same useless lazy fecker as usual

 

Sounds like this was actually a bit of a problem for him at PSV as well - starting and persisting with players who clearly need to be dropped

 

His man management just seems quite weird to me - is it going to be a case of "its my way or the high-way" or playing favourites?

[LadyFox53]

I stopped watching the last championship campaign as the football was turgid, opposition worked out how to deal with Enzo's set-up and it nearly cost us promotion.  I think Plymouth beating us 1-0 at Home Park was a blessing - the players got together to sort it out, not Enzo. To think at one point we were on course to win the championship with a record number of points and finished only one ahead of Ipswich who had been promoted to the division beggars belief.

 

Apparently we can expect more of the same boring predictable style under Martin, so if he is appointed, I'll give the season a miss, much as I hope promotion is achieved.

 

The names in the frame are predictable and unexciting - there are so many better options available and their clubs don't all need compensation.

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, Filbert Fireworks said:

The issue people are raising with RVN is that he was tactically inept as a manager. 

 

I think the point that your highlighting is that he didn't have a pre-season or a transfer window so the team weren't drilled in his "style" and he may not have had exactly the type of player profile to implement it. I'd argue he did but chose not to play them. ?Ricardo, Mavididi. 

 

My issue is that on several occassions he insisted on playing a high line with zonal marking and a jumbled high press which didn't work. In at least two or three games it evidently wasn't working but he didn't switch to a low block and we conceded the same through ball three times and were dead and buried by the half hour mark. 

 

He also refused to drop soumare who wasn't tracking back and constantly out of position but was in a double pivot with Ndidi game after game. 

 

That is just really simple bad management and cognitively really inflexible he struggles to be reflexive and react to the opposition infront if him. 

 

Every week it was 4231 high line, zonal marking, double pivot. It was found out by the opposition after his 3rd game but he has nothing in the bank so once teams learnt to overload our midfield pivot it was loss after loss. 

 

A manager like that can have several transfer windows and preseasons but that tactical rigidity will always be subpar to premier league standard managers. 

 

It's no suprise Amorim didn't want to keep him on the staff. 

 

Great player and not personal but objectively he's not ready to manage in the Premier league. 

 

I do agree Martin isn't ideal either. 

 

I think you will find that was Cooper 

 

Regarding Soumare his other options was Winks who wasn't committed and the marquee signing of the previous manager.

 

Almorin has landed Utd in the worst postion for decades hardly worth noting

[Sankey93]

RM will have a better side with us than he did with Southampton! I would like someone totally different who plays attacking heavy metal football 😂 but he just ticks all the boxes for our board.

[whoareyaaa]

4 minutes ago, Skid_1884 said:

Moyes and Pereira didn’t have a pre season and they have done alright. 
 

Yes RVN has been dealt a bad hand but he has done himself no favours with the shit team selections and tactics while breaking unwanted records. Luke Thomas should have been in after the Villa away game as an example of how he should have seen these changes earlier.

 

He can’t warrant keeping his job in my opinion.

 

 

They have better squads though and haven't just been promoted 

[Filbert Fireworks]

4 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

I think you will find that was Cooper 

 

Regarding Soumare his other options was Winks who wasn't committed and the marquee signing of the previous manager.

 

Almorin has landed Utd in the worst postion for decades hardly worth noting

What about the tactical inflexibility? High line, zonal marking, double pivot. Never changing it? That is what the issue was. 

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

What about the tactical inflexibility? High line, zonal marking, double pivot. Never changing it? That is what the issue was. 

Squad was never good enough.

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, Skid_1884 said:

Moyes and Pereira didn’t have a pre season and they have done alright. 
 

 

 

I don’t know much about Pereira but Moyes is a way better manager than Rudd or Martin.

 

Both had way better squads to work with. The real issue the squad is not good enough and the club keep going after shit managers Martin is predictably the next on the list.

 

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

I worry with Ruud that it doesn't take much for a player to piss him off to get banished from the squad whilst he will still with continue with other players who should be nowhere near it

 

Soumare and Faes getting to play week in week out when they should be nowhere near even the match day squad - or even in Soumare's case he literally got dragged at half time and then called out by the manager, misses a game but then comes straight back in and looks like the same useless lazy fecker as usual

 

Sounds like this was actually a bit of a problem for him at PSV as well - starting and persisting with players who clearly need to be dropped

 

His man management just seems quite weird to me - is it going to be a case of "its my way or the high-way" or playing favourites?

A lot of good managers do that (not saying he is good), I remember Pearson doing it with some of Svens players, some don’t have the mentality, some need bringing down, some need structure. It takes time to put in place all of these structure and have effect, Pearson did achieve it overnight. 
 

I certainly don’t think Martin who will likely bring back Winks and Vestaguard is going to be great either, I’m sick of players that treat the club as a holiday camp. 

[00rawat]

Another pointless manager appointed then,I really don't get owners nowadays, and there boring obsession with tiki-taka football,this what makes football boring nowadays,literally everyone wants to play the same style,back in the old days  pre pep every one had there own style and identity,now it let's copy being man city,  pep style football. Borinnnnnnnnnng!!!!!

[Foxin_Mad]

6 minutes ago, Sankey93 said:

RM will have a better side with us than he did with Southampton! I would like someone totally different who plays attacking heavy metal football 😂 but he just ticks all the boxes for our board.

I don’t think he does have a better side, we have a defence that can’t defend, midfielders who aren’t great at passing, shooting or tackling and 1 striker who is shit. The wingers are decent at championship level but that’s about it! Southampton underachieved under Martin 

[DezFox]

Wow !! Thread gone hot, this proves where we are at thread gone hot with people arguing about who is shitter, our current manager or the incoming one hahaha!
 

exactly the same conversions we had when we hired our last

manager hahaha 🤣 

[Guest Lako42]

Without going through 5 pages of weirdos telling me why Ruud or Martin aren't both completely and utterly shit, why is this hot? 

[Foxin_Mad]

7 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

Without going through 5 pages of weirdos telling me why Ruud or Martin aren't both completely and utterly shit, why is this hot? 

Because supposedly Martin is nailed on according to some media and he’s shit

[Noahfence]

What’s the latest on this? Haven’t paid attention to anything today 

[Filbert Fireworks]

4 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Squad was never good enough.

Yes I would agree the squad wasn't good enough in general. 

 

I don't think it has to be a binary win or lose conversation multiple things can be true at the same time. 

 

The squad depth wasn't good enough absolutely , RVN though was still clearly tactically inept in those examples given. How would you explain the tactical rational for being 3-0 down but still playing a high line with an inconsistent high press, playing a double pivot whilst being overloaded in the midfield and having conceded the same goal through the same opposition sequence of play 3 times within 35 minutes and not changing a thing? I'm genuinely intrigued. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guppys Love Child]

14 minutes ago, LadyFox53 said:

I stopped watching the last championship campaign as the football was turgid, opposition worked out how to deal with Enzo's set-up and it nearly cost us promotion.  I think Plymouth beating us 1-0 at Home Park was a blessing - the players got together to sort it out, not Enzo. To think at one point we were on course to win the championship with a record number of points and finished only one ahead of Ipswich who had been promoted to the division beggars belief.

 

Apparently we can expect more of the same boring predictable style under Martin, so if he is appointed, I'll give the season a miss, much as I hope promotion is achieved.

 

The names in the frame are predictable and unexciting - there are so many better options available and their clubs don't all need compensation.

I said much the same on page 10 of this thread. 

 

I pray that Martin isn't our next manager, however if the 'shower's of sh1t' in charge have a brain fart and decide otherwise then I'm not visiting the KP for a match or anything  and I wont be putting another penny in the LCFC coffers until the B-Tec Rodgers is sacked.

 

The bloke IMO is a clown, and I have no desire to sit in the stands (or watch on TV) the coma inducing snoozefest of BrusellBall.  It was bad enough watching Enzoball, watching another version but with inferior players this time around would be unbearable.

 

[NorthernFox]

No thank you!!  I sat through Frank McLintock and the David Pleat years. I want to be entertained if thats not too much to ask lol.

Edited 24 May 2025 by NorthernFox

[kingfox]

I’m very much looking forward to Patson Daka sticking the ball in the net after 56 passes. 

 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

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Edited 24 May 2025 by Realist Guy In The Room

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I’m very much looking forward to Patson Daka missing the ball after 56 passes.

Fixed for you.

[Gravel]

2 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

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Yeah, thought that too

[Foxin_Mad]

19 minutes ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

Yes I would agree the squad wasn't good enough in general. 

 

I don't think it has to be a binary win or lose conversation multiple things can be true at the same time. 

 

The squad depth wasn't good enough absolutely , RVN though was still clearly tactically inept in those examples given. How would you explain the tactical rational for being 3-0 down but still playing a high line with an inconsistent high press, playing a double pivot whilst being overloaded in the midfield and having conceded the same goal through the same opposition sequence of play 3 times within 35 minutes and not changing a thing? I'm genuinely intrigued. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thing is Southampton fans will probably say the same with Martin.

 

The big issue for Rudd is we didn’t have the players to play how he wanted to play and he was pretty rigid, this is the problem with getting managers we who are obsessed with a philosophy rather than being pragmatic. Martin is another example of that, he kept doing the same even though we ripped it apart twice because that was his philosophy it’s no bother to these clowns the result more the purity of being true to their philosophy.

 

Id rather get a couple of lumps at the back get stuck in and lump it forward quickly than 45 minutes of Wout Faes passing to Vestaguard 

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Id rather get a couple of lumps at the back get stuck in and lump it forward quickly than 45 minutes of Wout Faes passing to Vestaguard 

Would Sean Dyche please stand up.