General News Thread

[MPH]

3 hours ago, leicsmac said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0dzg6e4mo

 

FBI documents summarising interviews with a woman who made unsubstantiated claims of sexual assault against Donald Trump have been released as part of the US Department of Justice's (DOJ) trove of Epstein files.

The release follows reports that the documents were missing from the DOJ's database, prompting Democrats to accuse officials of a cover-up.

The DOJ said it mistakenly withheld the files during its review process because they had been "incorrectly coded as duplicative".

The memos describe a series of interviews in 2019 with the woman, who makes uncorroborated claims against Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. The president has consistently denied wrongdoing in relation to the late sex offender.

 

Good time to bury an attempted whitewash, apparently. 

 

‘incorrectly labeled as duplicative’

 

 

Haha

[MPH]

If this is true. That’s pretty high level  turncoat spying..

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

‘incorrectly labeled as duplicative’

 

 

Haha

... it's almost as if they're lying sociopaths covering up the evidence of some truly horrible things and if anyone else buys into the current action in Iran covering for it then they're little better, isn't it?

Edited 7 March by leicsmac

[MPH]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

... it's almost as if they're lying sociopaths covering up the evidence of some truly horrible things and if anyone else buys into the current action in Iran covering for it they're little better, isn't it?

 

who is thinking they’re a little better? Are you meaning me? You can just say it if you do… no need to pretend to bear around the bush…

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

who is thinking they’re a little better? Are you meaning me? You can just say it if you do… no need to pretend to bear around the bush…

Not at all, but unfortunately the Internet outside of FT is rather less discerning and a lot of them have voices and votes, apparently. Pardon for not making that clear in the OP.

 

Just to clarify, what I meant was that this military action, and the whole sabre rattling regarding Greenland before it, were obvious distractions from the Epstein discoveries and anyone buying into either at any level now is either ridiculously naive or apparently fine with the current US administration covering up some truly hideous acts, some involving themselves all the way up to the man at the top. 

[MPH]

10 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Not at all, but unfortunately the Internet outside of FT is rather less discerning and a lot of them have voices and votes, apparently. Pardon for not making that clear in the OP.

 

Just to clarify, what I meant was that this military action, and the whole sabre rattling regarding Greenland before it, were obvious distractions from the Epstein discoveries and anyone buying into either at any level now is either ridiculously naive or apparently fine with the current US administration covering up some truly hideous acts, some involving themselves all the way up to the man at the top. 

 

apologies for posting before my first cup of coffee of the day!

[leicsmac]

Just now, MPH said:

 

apologies for posting before my first cup of coffee of the day!

Not a problem, I think a lot of us have been there and given kick off is in about 40 minutes I wouldn't blame people for being annoyed for whatever reason. 

[WigstonWanderer]

13 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Where their enemy, sworn to destroy them, are deliberately hiding to force them to choose either to attack and kill innocents, or fail to defeat them.

Definitely a good reason to kill 160 little girls 

[worthosoriginals]

2 hours ago, MPH said:

If this is true. That’s pretty high level  turncoat spying..

That looks a lot like dolly the sheep's passport photo

[FoxesDeb]

I've seen it mentioned here a few times, do we know that the Iranians were definitely storing munitions under or in the school building? Everything I've read suggests that the school was in close proximity to IRGC buildings, but completely separate.

 

Either way to target it knowing that it was a school day is unforgivable. 

[Salisbury Fox]

43 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Either way to target it knowing that it was a school day is unforgivable. 

Has this been proven? 

[FoxesDeb]

2 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said:

Has this been proven? 

Which bit? It was a school day, and you would hope that it was known to be so before it was targeted 

[leicsmac]

Given the accuracy of the intel used so far and the amount of specifically targeted attacks going on as a result, the idea that the US and Israel didn't know that the place was full of schoolchildren at the time of the attack is highly implausible. 

 

Edit: but then, apparently one of the rules of war is that winners don't commit war crimes. 

Edited 7 March by leicsmac

[Salisbury Fox]

6 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Which bit? It was a school day, and you would hope that it was known to be so before it was targeted 

The bit that it was deliberately targeted 

[MPH]

55 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I've seen it mentioned here a few times, do we know that the Iranians were definitely storing munitions under or in the school building? Everything I've read suggests that the school was in close proximity to IRGC buildings, but completely separate.

 

Either way to target it knowing that it was a school day is unforgivable. 

 

Evidence suggests the bombed school in Iran was located immediately adjacent to a walled-off [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) compound] that was targeted in a probable U.S. airstrike.  While the school itself was a civilian object, it was adjacent to military facilities, including the 16th Assef Coastal Missile Group.

 

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Given the accuracy of the intel used so far and the amount of specifically targeted attacks going on as a result, the idea that the US and Israel didn't know that the place was full of schoolchildren at the time of the attack is highly implausible. 

 

Edit: but then, apparently one of the rules of war is that winners don't commit war crimes. 

 It’s looking more likely that it was either bad coordinates or inaccurate technology. Which is no where near a good enough excuse, of course..

[FoxesDeb]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

Evidence suggests the bombed school in Iran was located immediately adjacent to a walled-off [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) compound] that was targeted in a probable U.S. airstrike.  While the school itself was a civilian object, it was adjacent to military facilities, including the 16th Assef Coastal Missile Group.

 

Thanks, so no evidence that it had anything stored in or under it then

[leicsmac]

Just now, MPH said:

 It’s looking more likely that it was either bad coordinates or inaccurate technology. Which is no where near a good enough excuse, of course..

It looks to be that way. 

 

Now let's see if Kegbreath and/or other leading figures have the stones to actually admit that they're on the hook for their part in this dreadful event.

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, Salisbury Fox said:

The bit that it was deliberately targeted 

Well presumably someone put the coordinates in for the missile target, and you would hope they would know what they were aiming for. If they couldn't be certain they shouldn't have been aiming anywhere near the vicinity of a school filled with children imo

[MPH]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

Thanks, so no evidence that it had anything stored in or under it then

 

doesn’t look like it, although I believe this was the original thought most people including myself went with. 
 

But I’d still be careful in believing this version… people may think being an incompetent fu**wit makes you less complicit to a war crime than just being outright evil.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

doesn’t look like it, although I believe this was the original thought most people including myself went with. 
 

But I’d still be careful in believing this version… people may think being an incompetent fu**wit makes you less complicit to a war crime than just being outright evil.

Hanlon's Razor and Grays Law: "never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence, but any sufficiently advanced incompetence is in effect indistinguishable from malice".

[MPH]

I will just add that the Israeli army.. and Mossad and all things Israeli.. the more I read about them… there isn’t a more ruthless group of people on the planet to getting a job done and thinking they are the ‘good guys’
 

i read just a little while ago a recently unclassified document where a civilian who worked cross border between Gaza and Israel heard of a plot of a group of  terrorists to cross the border and attack an army guard post..  told the Israelis about it. Israelis told him to help them  cross and named the area, time and place to cross the border and just told him to get out of the way moments before the  designated spot. Came to the day and  Israel decided to attacking the vehicle several minutes and miles before agreed time and place knowing full well their informant was in the vehicle as they wanted to make sure nothing got in the way of stopping the attack. I mean, you can’t get more crappy than that… purposefully killing your own informant..

 

so nothing would surprise me with Israel involved.

Edited 7 March by MPH

[Salisbury Fox]

18 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Well presumably someone put the coordinates in for the missile target, and you would hope they would know what they were aiming for. If they couldn't be certain they shouldn't have been aiming anywhere near the vicinity of a school filled with children imo

I don’t think it’s as simple as a military just deciding to bomb a school. Modern strikes are typically based on several layers of intelligence, satellite imagery, signals intelligence, pattern-of-life analysis, and target validation. when tragedies like this happen, the explanations are often things like faulty intelligence, misidentification, or a strike aimed at a nearby military target that went wrong. None of that makes the civilian deaths any less regrettable of course. But assuming it was simply “they decided to bomb a school” can overlook how complex (and sometimes flawed) the intelligence and targeting process actually is.

[FoxesDeb]

If the intelligence and targeting is indeed so flawed that it can mistake a school for a military building I would suggest they choose to target it when it isn't full of little girls

[Salisbury Fox]

9 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

If the intelligence and targeting is indeed so flawed that it can mistake a school for a military building I would suggest they choose to target it when it isn't full of little girls

It feels like you have a bit of an agenda or are ignorant of distinction, proportionality, and precautions in attack in compliance with the law of armed conflict. I am not disagreeing with the sentiment of your posts, rather I am trying to add some context for why it may not be deliberate.