General News Thread

[Trav Le Bleu]

14 minutes ago, MPH said:

People say that Reform are bad ( not disagreeing) but little old Denmark slip under the radar whilst saying things like this, from an elected and established member of their cabinet 

 

🚨BREAKING: Denmark’s Minister for Immigration and Integration, Morten Bødskov, is investigating a ban on the Islamic call to prayer (Adhan).

He stated: “The call to prayer should not be heard over Danish rooftops. It has no place in Denmark. You shouldn't be in any doubt whether you've ended up in a suburb of Islamabad when you walk around Denmark.”

This marks a firm push to protect Danish culture and national identity amid ongoing immigration challenges.

 

 

 

i should add that reform have called for a ban of large outdoor prayers in public spaces , but not the adhan call from a mosque 

Ironically (and I checked this) church bells are allowed to ring in Islamabad.

 

Which I guess makes them more tolerant?

[Innovindil]

22 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Ironically (and I checked this) church bells are allowed to ring in Islamabad.

 

Which I guess makes them more tolerant?

Why wouldn't they be? Christianity is no threat to them at all. % of their population who are Christian sits at something like 1.4%, lower than 80 odd years ago.

[Jon the Hat]

53 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Why wouldn't they be? Christianity is no threat to them at all. % of their population who are Christian sits at something like 1.4%, lower than 80 odd years ago.

6.5% is a threat though?  Or around 5% in Denmark?  That said, I am not sure any Religion should be allowed to play loud noise and piss people off, but at least the Church bells are daytime.

[Innovindil]

9 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

6.5% is a threat though?  Or around 5% in Denmark?  That said, I am not sure any Religion should be allowed to play loud noise and piss people off, but at least the Church bells are daytime.

Potentially, yeah. Denmark don't take figures for relious groups down, so all their stuff is guesswork. I assume by the 6.5% you are referring to the UK? If so I'd say yeah. It's gone from what 3ish% to 6ish% in 20 years? 

 

I think just by simple math that would make it more serious than Pakistan's mostly unchanged percentage. 

[Stevosevic]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

6.5% is a threat though?  Or around 5% in Denmark?  That said, I am not sure any Religion should be allowed to play loud noise and piss people off, but at least the Church bells are daytime.

Yes, yes it is. Look at the trends. 
 

Denmark doing what’s best for the Danish. 

[LCFCJohn]

16 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

Yes, yes it is. Look at the trends. 
 

Denmark doing what’s best for the Danish. 

I trust that out of consistency, your belief system extends to all British nationals living in other countries being wrong and they should return to the UK yes?

 

Australia’s numbers for example must be massively tarred by the number of British nationals living there?

 

Second homes should be banned in countries like Spain and Greece etc?

 

 

[Stevosevic]

8 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I trust that out of consistency, your belief system extends to all British nationals living in other countries being wrong and they should return to the UK yes?

 

Australia’s numbers for example must be massively tarred by the number of British nationals living there?

 

Second homes should be banned in countries like Spain and Greece etc?

 

 

I don’t think anybody has said anyone should return home? 
 

You realise the topic is a lot more complex than the examples you’ve given?

 

 

[LCFCJohn]

16 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

I don’t think anybody has said anyone should return home? 
 

You realise the topic is a lot more complex than the examples you’ve given?

 

 

You are seemingly against the idea of a population that has  growing percentage of people not originally from that country. Britons emigrating to other countries whether that’s Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc or other popular destinations like UAE or other Arab countries fits this also. Unless you are saying it’s ok if you move to a country where ethnicity is aligned?
 

I can’t see how anyone is happy about the illegal boats. But the narrative of yourself and Reform is much deeper than that. Nurses and doctors legally living (and born) here, working tirelessly to save lives being chased down the street on their way to work and harassed due to having brown skin?
 

Tell me again that it’s not about an ethno-state? And that’s where the comparison comes in. 

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, MPH said:

People say that Reform are bad ( not disagreeing) but little old Denmark slip under the radar whilst saying things like this, from an elected and established member of their cabinet 

 

🚨BREAKING: Denmark’s Minister for Immigration and Integration, Morten Bødskov, is investigating a ban on the Islamic call to prayer (Adhan).

He stated: “The call to prayer should not be heard over Danish rooftops. It has no place in Denmark. You shouldn't be in any doubt whether you've ended up in a suburb of Islamabad when you walk around Denmark.”

This marks a firm push to protect Danish culture and national identity amid ongoing immigration challenges.

 

 

 

i should add that reform have called for a ban of large outdoor prayers in public spaces , but not the adhan call from a mosque 

The Danes have had their share of hotheads for a while now. I remember Paludan.

 

32 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

You are seemingly against the idea of a population that has  growing percentage of people not originally from that country. Britons emigrating to other countries whether that’s Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc or other popular destinations like UAE or other Arab countries fits this also. Unless you are saying it’s ok if you move to a country where ethnicity is aligned?
 

I can’t see how anyone is happy about the illegal boats. But the narrative of yourself and Reform is much deeper than that. Nurses and doctors legally living (and born) here, working tirelessly to save lives being chased down the street on their way to work and harassed due to having brown skin?
 

Tell me again that it’s not about an ethno-state? And that’s where the comparison comes in. 

Of course it is. 

 

Drill past the rhetoric, the platitudes about "legitimate concerns", and that is what it has always been about. Enforced, enclaved ethnostates. The "moderates" are there for show - in the end, it won't be them running it.

 

Now, if someone wants to say that is a better way for humanity to live then that's between them and their own conscience (though there are a few obviously apparent logical reasons as to why it's not), but some basic honesty of purpose from those wanting it would be appreciated, to be honest.

Edited Friday at 06:35 by leicsmac

[Stevosevic]

18 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

You are seemingly against the idea of a population that has  growing percentage of people not originally from that country. Britons emigrating to other countries whether that’s Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc or other popular destinations like UAE or other Arab countries fits this also. Unless you are saying it’s ok if you move to a country where ethnicity is aligned?
 

I can’t see how anyone is happy about the illegal boats. But the narrative of yourself and Reform is much deeper than that. Nurses and doctors legally living (and born) here, working tirelessly to save lives being chased down the street on their way to work and harassed due to having brown skin?
 

Tell me again that it’s not about an ethno-state? And that’s where the comparison comes in. 

My partner is mixed race, the anti brown skin comments can’t be used against me in the same way this line can be used against others. Nice try. 

 

There is good immigration and there is bad immigration - surely nobody disagrees on that?

 

I think any country has the right to protect their heritage and culture. Europe is a concern. Whether people practice or not, Europe is built on Christian values that I feel should continue. The growth of Islam isn’t the only issue people have with changing demographics of the UK/Western Europe. 

The problem with the far left is they are more than happy to prioritise people from other countries than the natives. And no not all immigrants are doctors and nurses - we know it’s a trendy line to use but let’s not pretend all the people that are entering our country are adding some great value. Many are quite frankly taking the micky at our expense. 
 

 

 

 

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Oh right

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[LCFCJohn]

9 minutes ago, Stevosevic said:

My partner is mixed race, the anti brown skin comments can’t be used against me in the same way this line can be used against others. Nice try. 

 

There is good immigration and there is bad immigration - surely nobody disagrees on that?

 

I think any country has the right to protect their heritage and culture. Europe is a concern. Whether people practice or not, Europe is built on Christian values that I feel should continue. The growth of Islam isn’t the only issue people have with changing demographics of the UK/Western Europe. 

The problem with the far left is they are more than happy to prioritise people from other countries than the natives. And no not all immigrants are doctors and nurses - we know it’s a trendy line to use but let’s not pretend all the people that are entering our country are adding some great value. Many are quite frankly taking the micky at our expense. 
 

 

 

 

Taking the first bit as true (as it’s a forum and you could say anything) then perhaps you are not actually putting across your views in the best way or maybe backing the wrong horse in Reform?

 

Yes good immigration and bad, 100% agree. 
 

I also agree about culture. In fact I will actually say my views on these things as I am anything but ‘far left’.

 

I do have issue with the boat crossing. I am cynical in thinking if people are escaping out of safety, safety is found much earlier than Calais. Obviously that is still a Europe as a whole problem but looking at the UK, I think to end up in Calais, it is about economic migration at this stage and that is down to how we are seen as a free ride in terms of our benefit system. But I also have an issue with white British people choosing benefits as a lifestyle. Benefits should be there for people genuinely between employment or genuine health issues. Obviously it’s a complex matter anyway. Culture wise, I think if you are living in another country you should learn and speak the language, as I would if I emigrated to a non-English speaking country. 
 

You might think that is the sort of views you are expressing and they align in which case fair enough. 
 

I also agree it should be an equal system for anyone here legally and those here illegally should be deported as the key is in the word illegal. 
 

But I can’t stand Reform as this is not what they are about. I know full well not all legal immigrants are doctors and nurses and covered this above where I said about the benefits systems. But it is fact that protesters in the name of Reform UK were going after doctors and nurses arriving at work at a hospital and causing intimidation. So you cannot say that is purely about illegal immigration as these were clearly legal, value adding individuals being chased and intimidated due to the colour of their skin which is my issue.

[foxfanazer]

21 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Taking the first bit as true (as it’s a forum and you could say anything) then perhaps you are not actually putting across your views in the best way or maybe backing the wrong horse in Reform?

 

Yes good immigration and bad, 100% agree. 
 

I also agree about culture. In fact I will actually say my views on these things as I am anything but ‘far left’.

 

I do have issue with the boat crossing. I am cynical in thinking if people are escaping out of safety, safety is found much earlier than Calais. Obviously that is still a Europe as a whole problem but looking at the UK, I think to end up in Calais, it is about economic migration at this stage and that is down to how we are seen as a free ride in terms of our benefit system. But I also have an issue with white British people choosing benefits as a lifestyle. Benefits should be there for people genuinely between employment or genuine health issues. Obviously it’s a complex matter anyway. Culture wise, I think if you are living in another country you should learn and speak the language, as I would if I emigrated to a non-English speaking country. 
 

You might think that is the sort of views you are expressing and they align in which case fair enough. 
 

I also agree it should be an equal system for anyone here legally and those here illegally should be deported as the key is in the word illegal. 
 

But I can’t stand Reform as this is not what they are about. I know full well not all legal immigrants are doctors and nurses and covered this above where I said about the benefits systems. But it is fact that protesters in the name of Reform UK were going after doctors and nurses arriving at work at a hospital and causing intimidation. So you cannot say that is purely about illegal immigration as these were clearly legal, value adding individuals being chased and intimidated due to the colour of their skin which is my issue.

Completely how I feel about it all too

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Completely how I feel about it all too

Exactly. It’s central views on the politics scale.

 

Yes be against people coming here illegally and want it addressing. But appreciate the value other cultures offer and welcome those here legally and contributing towards our country. 
 

I think there are many people who do hold the extreme right views and would have anyone non-white British out. But most I think probably share the views I have and you as well but either aren’t educated enough on it or confused and think parties like Reform are the answer. For me, it’s all the other stuff that concerns me as much. I’m much more concerned about the climate denial change denial for example. 

[leicsmac]

Just now, LCFCJohn said:

Exactly. It’s central views on the politics scale.

 

Yes be against people coming here illegally and want it addressing. But appreciate the value other cultures offer and welcome those here legally and contributing towards our country. 
 

I think there are many people who do hold the extreme right views and would have anyone non-white British out. But most I think probably share the views I have and you as well but either aren’t educated enough on it or confused and think parties like Reform are the answer. For me, it’s all the other stuff that concerns me as much. I’m much more concerned about the climate denial change denial for example. 

And let's not forget that particular can of worms will end up in vastly increased instances of migration as people abandon vast areas of land that become simply uninhabitable through lack of food, potable water and conflict over what meagre supplies of both that are left. 

[foxfanazer]

8 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Exactly. It’s central views on the politics scale.

 

Yes be against people coming here illegally and want it addressing. But appreciate the value other cultures offer and welcome those here legally and contributing towards our country. 
 

I think there are many people who do hold the extreme right views and would have anyone non-white British out. But most I think probably share the views I have and you as well but either aren’t educated enough on it or confused and think parties like Reform are the answer. For me, it’s all the other stuff that concerns me as much. I’m much more concerned about the climate denial change denial for example. 

Absolutely. Legitimate immigration that can be vetted and monitored is fine. We should be proud of migrants in our communities and the contributions they make to the country. 

 

The current system is a mess and is surely unsustainable 

[LCFCJohn]

19 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And let's not forget that particular can of worms will end up in vastly increased instances of migration as people abandon vast areas of land that become simply uninhabitable through lack of food, potable water and conflict over what meagre supplies of both that are left. 

Absolutely. A far too complex process for the angry protesters to understand. 
 

Far right leaders are all money and self interest. As you say, managing migration should go hand in hand with managing the climate and peace, to encourage and enable people to remain in their homelands. In reality, the right wing start wars (Ukraine, Iran, Gaza) to displace people, all whilst refusing to stop destroying the planet.

 

And people are too clueless to see it.

[LCFCJohn]

14 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Absolutely. Legitimate immigration that can be vetted and monitored is fine. We should be proud of migrants in our communities and the contributions they make to the country. 

 

The current system is a mess and is surely unsustainable 

Shouldn’t be difficult as an island should it!

 

It’s just laughable to think these far right parties actually achieve what we would like to see. All that will happen is we will lose the positive migration and industry and services will tank. Just like Brexit was apparently the golden ticket but hasn’t been positive in any way. 

[Raj]

John talking sense again.

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Absolutely. A far too complex process for the angry protesters to understand. 
 

Far right leaders are all money and self interest. As you say, managing migration should go hand in hand with managing the climate and peace, to encourage and enable people to remain in their homelands. In reality, the right wing start wars (Ukraine, Iran, Gaza) to displace people, all whilst refusing to stop destroying the planet.

 

And people are too clueless to see it.

And such self interested sentiment could simply be written off as "human nature" or somesuch and simply be an academic cause of debate, except for the reasonably clear fact now that such self interest will result in circumstances that will get a very great deal of life, up to and including human civilisation itself, killed.

[lcfcell]

Pretty funny we even have to have this debate as an island. If they wanted to stop it they could tomorrow. 
 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, lcfcell said:

Pretty funny we even have to have this debate as an island. If they wanted to stop it they could tomorrow. 
 

Right (though I can imagine the practical logistics might take a little work), which is why the debate mostly isn't about that.

[lcfcell]

Just now, leicsmac said:

Right (though I can imagine the practical logistics might take a little work), which is why the debate mostly isn't about that.

I didn’t mean the ongoing conversation in this thread I meant the small boat stuff in general. 
 

I’ve just always found it funny you know being an island and all. 
 

 

[leicsmac]

Just now, lcfcell said:

I didn’t mean the ongoing conversation in this thread I meant the small boat stuff in general. 
 

I’ve just always found it funny you know being an island and all. 
 

 

Yeah, fair point.

 

It's a statistical fact that this government has reduced the crossings of such boats, but clearly that's also only one part of the overall thing that people are talking about and/or want. 

[LCFCJohn]

3 minutes ago, lcfcell said:

I didn’t mean the ongoing conversation in this thread I meant the small boat stuff in general. 
 

I’ve just always found it funny you know being an island and all. 
 

 

It should be in principle but maybe not quite as simple. 
 

Australia is a good example of this but they are much further from other countries and have shark infested waters which helps.

 

We are only what, 20 miles from France and based on being in Cornwall last week, all we have in our waters in bloody Jellyfish and not even the ones with a bad sting so we haven’t got nature exactly helping us!

 

There’s no doubt a political aspect as well as the practical side though which is what you are also referring to.