General News Thread

[Zear0]

I also preemptively blame a hypothetical Reform UK government for the ultra left in France looting shops and burning historic buildings.

[Robo61]

2 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

I agree. I suspect the streets would become quite lawless as the Reform followers would become emboldened to behave like this and not have any come back on them. For all the talk about two tier society now, wait for it to go even more so in the opposite direction if we found ourselves in that position of them in power.

All the facts now indicate that the two tier society is already in that direction. I agree though it will get much worse,  frightening really  

[leicsmac]

...and just wait and see what happens when a squeeze on any one or many of a number of vital resources becomes really apparent.

 

We live in interesting times.

 

"Traditional nationalism cannot survive the fissioning of the atom  any significant decline in vital resource availability. One world or none."

Edited 4 hours ago by leicsmac

[davieG]

10 hours ago, bovril said:

The town hall that the mob just burned down in Limoges:

 

Oh well at least the schools will benefit.

[leicsmac]

I must confess, I am a little curious about what is so difficult about improving the French school network that things have gotten to this rather awful stage. 

[Zear0]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I must confess, I am a little curious about what is so difficult about improving the French school network that things have gotten to this rather awful stage. 

Not sure I personally believe the motive behind these looting rioters is welfare and financing of the school system.

[Foxdiamond]

Are we really going to believe the destruction in France is simply justified protest that got a bit out of hand. What other groups acting in bad faith I wonder

[leicsmac]

31 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Not sure I personally believe the motive behind these looting rioters is welfare and financing of the school system.

 

29 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Are we really going to believe the destruction in France is simply justified protest that got a bit out of hand. What other groups acting in bad faith I wonder

I'm tentatively inclined to agree, but the question then follows; why would this be happening now? Why not last month? Or the next?

 

If the answer to that is opportunism extending from the protests that initially broke out in this instance, then the fact remains that if the school issues had been looked at, there wouldn't have been such an opportunity for the ones who just want to smash things up and loot.

Edited 2 hours ago by leicsmac

[Foxdiamond]

12 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

The word terrorism implies that terror is imparted. I'm not scared by people vandalising stuff. If people were actually harmed, that would be different.

 

Also, if violence is used for political change then the Allies in WW2 were terrorists.

Wonder if you would feel the same if your business or place of work was looted or burnt down. How much care do you think was taken before a place was torched

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

 

I'm tentatively inclined to agree, but it the question then follows; why would this be happening now? Why not last month? Or the next?

 

If the answer to that is opportunism extending from the protests that initially broke out in this instance, then the fact remains that if the school issues had been looked at, there wouldn't have been such an opportunity for the ones who just want to smash things up and loot.

Authorities bear responsibility for conditions of schools, education etc but protesters have to take responsibility for their actions too

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Authorities bear responsibility for conditions of schools, education etc but protesters have to take responsibility for their actions too

Yeah, no disagreement there. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Wonder if you would feel the same if your business or place of work was looted or burnt down. How much care do you think was taken before a place was torched

I'm not saying it's not a crime, but it isn't terrorism.

[Foxdiamond]

10 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I'm not saying it's not a crime, but it isn't terrorism.

But certainly terrifying if on the receiving end

[MonkeyTennis?]

There is a French writer who once said 'France is a paradise inhabited by people who think they're in hell.'

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, MonkeyTennis? said:

There is a French writer who once said 'France is a paradise inhabited by people who think they're in hell.'

This is generally the view after a French holiday

 

Such a beautiful country - just a shame it’s full of French people ! 

[Zear0]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

 

I'm tentatively inclined to agree, but the question then follows; why would this be happening now? Why not last month? Or the next?

 

If the answer to that is opportunism extending from the protests that initially broke out in this instance, then the fact remains that if the school issues had been looked at, there wouldn't have been such an opportunity for the ones who just want to smash things up and loot.

It explains the timing but not motive of these thugs rioting, looting and destroying the cities.

 

You can criticise the government as well as the thuggery being demonstrated. The French are even worse than the UK for an inability to address society issues. They’re absolutely broke as a country but when they try and amend retirement ages or raise any taxes this happens. Just like the UK, they have a nation of people on low taxes, who somehow think the opposite, and won’t take actions necessary to either pay for services like education or acknowledge the financial situation they’re choosing.

[leicsmac]

16 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

It explains the timing but not motive of these thugs rioting, looting and destroying the cities.

 

You can criticise the government as well as the thuggery being demonstrated. The French are even worse than the UK for an inability to address society issues. They’re absolutely broke as a country but when they try and amend retirement ages or raise any taxes this happens. Just like the UK, they have a nation of people on low taxes, who somehow think the opposite, and won’t take actions necessary to either pay for services like education or acknowledge the financial situation they’re choosing.

Yeah, that's succinct and accurate imo. 

[Noahfence]

look at the videos of various shops and shopping centres being looted. People’s livelihoods being ruined. 
 

Tell me honestly that these are just disgruntled youth who want a better education lol. Let’s get real. 

[Wymsey]

3 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

look at the videos of various shops and shopping centres being looted. People’s livelihoods being ruined. 
 

Tell me honestly that these are just disgruntled youth who want a better education lol. Let’s get real. 

Reminds of the 2011 London riots albeit for very different reasons.