Realistic Managerial Replacements

[DAS Boot]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Apparently at least one manager has turned us down fairly late into the process. Percy will probably reveal all tomorrow, but I’m hearing we had got someone but they changed their mind last minute. 

I heard the opposite.  They had someone all but agreed but we pulled the plug last minute.

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, DAS Boot said:

I heard the opposite.  They had someone all but agreed but we pulled the plug last minute.

Did you hear who?

[Chelmofox]

So, in piecing together the fragments of knowledge and made up stuff we've all been writing on here, the following it how I see it:

• They didn't plan to sack Marti. Top turned up a game and along with his 'media' commitments, a win was expected. 'Something' happened the day after, but from Tops interview it seemed he was willing to give Marti time.
• Even though we were utter dog turd, it appears there was no consideration given to the fact that we might have needed to sack Marti.
• There are no viable candidates at all (edit - appears there are rumours that we turned someone down, or they turned us down, depending on the source. Fact there is confusion around this points to the fact we probably forgot to offer it to someone who was interested).
• It appears within the industry, its well known what working with Rudkin is like, and in our predicament, we just aren't a viable option especially on a short term deal.
• There are likely options available to us who have hinted they would do it, such as Pearson, but Rudkin again is still the sticking point. 
• They are banking right now that King and Saddler will just come good. Although all evidence is pointing to the contrary.
• A lot of your expensive senior signings that you got through your agency relationships have turned out to be absolute dog turd. This, and the finance situation, is the responsibility of the Director of Football and the owners
• We are of course still on the hunt for a Technical Director, CEO and of course a manager and coaches

So, if you are Top and you have a quick 10 minutes to think to yourself, you've got to see the problem staring you in the face right?

 

Edited 15 February by Chelmofox

[fox_favourite]

8 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So, in piecing together the fragments of knowledge and made up stuff we've all been writing on here, the following it how I see it:

• They didn't plan to sack Marti. Top turned up a game and along with his 'media' commitments, a win was expected. 'Something' happened the day after, but from Tops interview it seemed he was willing to give Marti time.
• Even though we were utter dog turd, it appears there was no consideration given to the fact that we might have needed to sack Marti.
• There are no viable candidates at all
• It appears within the industry, its well known what working with Rudkin is like, and in our predicament, we just aren't a viable option especially on a short term deal.
• There are likely options available to us who have hinted they would do it, such as Pearson, but Rudkin again is still the sticking point. 
• They are banking right now that King and Saddler will just come good. Although all evidence is pointing to the contrary.
• A lot of your expensive senior signings that you got through your agency relationships have turned out to be absolute dog turd. This, and the finance situation, is the responsibility of the Director of Football and the owners
• We are of course still on the hunt for a Technical Director, CEO and of course a manager and coaches

So, if you are Top and you have a quick 10 minutes to think to yourself, you've got to see the problem staring you in the face right?

 

Sums things up perfectly. 

 

[Tuna]

10 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So, in piecing together the fragments of knowledge and made up stuff we've all been writing on here, the following it how I see it:

• They didn't plan to sack Marti. Top turned up a game and along with his 'media' commitments, a win was expected. 'Something' happened the day after, but from Tops interview it seemed he was willing to give Marti time.
• Even though we were utter dog turd, it appears there was no consideration given to the fact that we might have needed to sack Marti.
• There are no viable candidates at all
• It appears within the industry, its well known what working with Rudkin is like, and in our predicament, we just aren't a viable option especially on a short term deal.
• There are likely options available to us who have hinted they would do it, such as Pearson, but Rudkin again is still the sticking point. 
• They are banking right now that King and Saddler will just come good. Although all evidence is pointing to the contrary.
• A lot of your expensive senior signings that you got through your agency relationships have turned out to be absolute dog turd. This, and the finance situation, is the responsibility of the Director of Football and the owners
• We are of course still on the hunt for a Technical Director, CEO and of course a manager and coaches

So, if you are Top and you have a quick 10 minutes to think to yourself, you've got to see the problem staring you in the face right?

 

Yes, pretty clear now that Rudkin is the immediate problem.

[Raj]

13 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So, in piecing together the fragments of knowledge and made up stuff we've all been writing on here, the following it how I see it:

• They didn't plan to sack Marti. Top turned up a game and along with his 'media' commitments, a win was expected. 'Something' happened the day after, but from Tops interview it seemed he was willing to give Marti time.
• Even though we were utter dog turd, it appears there was no consideration given to the fact that we might have needed to sack Marti.
• There are no viable candidates at all
• It appears within the industry, its well known what working with Rudkin is like, and in our predicament, we just aren't a viable option especially on a short term deal.
• There are likely options available to us who have hinted they would do it, such as Pearson, but Rudkin again is still the sticking point. 
• They are banking right now that King and Saddler will just come good. Although all evidence is pointing to the contrary.
• A lot of your expensive senior signings that you got through your agency relationships have turned out to be absolute dog turd. This, and the finance situation, is the responsibility of the Director of Football and the owners
• We are of course still on the hunt for a Technical Director, CEO and of course a manager and coaches

So, if you are Top and you have a quick 10 minutes to think to yourself, you've got to see the problem staring you in the face right?

 

Absolutely  unbelievable.

Even non league clubs are run better.

Cant believe a guy who used to put the cones out years ago has been propelled to a position of such importance.

Even the staff are dumbfounded.

Imagine working at the club knowing the Dof F is about as useful as a chocolate  teapot 

Edited 15 February by Raj

[VLC86]

10 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So, in piecing together the fragments of knowledge and made up stuff we've all been writing on here, the following it how I see it:

• They didn't plan to sack Marti. Top turned up a game and along with his 'media' commitments, a win was expected. 'Something' happened the day after, but from Tops interview it seemed he was willing to give Marti time.
• Even though we were utter dog turd, it appears there was no consideration given to the fact that we might have needed to sack Marti.
• There are no viable candidates at all
• It appears within the industry, its well known what working with Rudkin is like, and in our predicament, we just aren't a viable option especially on a short term deal.
• There are likely options available to us who have hinted they would do it, such as Pearson, but Rudkin again is still the sticking point. 
• They are banking right now that King and Saddler will just come good. Although all evidence is pointing to the contrary.
• A lot of your expensive senior signings that you got through your agency relationships have turned out to be absolute dog turd. This, and the finance situation, is the responsibility of the Director of Football and the owners
• We are of course still on the hunt for a Technical Director, CEO and of course a manager and coaches

So, if you are Top and you have a quick 10 minutes to think to yourself, you've got to see the problem staring you in the face right?

 

Agreed, it’s the fans isn’t it.

[BrilliantFox]

What are they waiting for? Fabian Hurzeler to get sacked?

[1972 Fox]

1 hour ago, daddylonglegs said:

Are you joking? People ****ing love him because they walk all over him.

I was meaning true friends, not players/agents that can easily manipulate him.

[DAS Boot]

29 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Did you hear who?

Just that it wouldn’t have been popular.

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, DAS Boot said:

Just that it wouldn’t have been popular.

Martin!

[Tuna]

13 minutes ago, BrilliantFox said:

What are they waiting for? Fabian Hurzeler to get sacked?

Look at @Chelmofox post above yours which I would guess is an accurate summary of the situation.

[Leicssmiths]

18 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Yes, pretty clear now that Rudkin is the immediate problem.

He wanted to retire a couple of years ago but Top wanted him to stay on

[Mike Oxlong]

@hfaes has time on her/his hands and is interested in our club 

[Buzzell]

14 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Martin!

Rudkin has probably popped his nose in here and noticed that Martin isn’t favoured by most of us and pulled out of the deal  

[Jattdogg]

Latest rumours are that clown shows look at us in disgust.

[coolhandfox]

If they appoint someone like Martin who is already unpopular with the fan base, they have learnt nothing from the Cooper debacle.

 

Cooper was on the back foot from the get go.

[inckley fox]

8 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

So, in piecing together the fragments of knowledge and made up stuff we've all been writing on here, the following it how I see it:

• They didn't plan to sack Marti. Top turned up a game and along with his 'media' commitments, a win was expected. 'Something' happened the day after, but from Tops interview it seemed he was willing to give Marti time.
• Even though we were utter dog turd, it appears there was no consideration given to the fact that we might have needed to sack Marti.
• There are no viable candidates at all
• It appears within the industry, its well known what working with Rudkin is like, and in our predicament, we just aren't a viable option especially on a short term deal.
• There are likely options available to us who have hinted they would do it, such as Pearson, but Rudkin again is still the sticking point. 
• They are banking right now that King and Saddler will just come good. Although all evidence is pointing to the contrary.
• A lot of your expensive senior signings that you got through your agency relationships have turned out to be absolute dog turd. This, and the finance situation, is the responsibility of the Director of Football and the owners
• We are of course still on the hunt for a Technical Director, CEO and of course a manager and coaches

So, if you are Top and you have a quick 10 minutes to think to yourself, you've got to see the problem staring you in the face right?

 

Right, and with a little reading between the lines you can come up with a few additional educated guesses. Some may well be wrong, but there's likely to be a lot of truth among them.

 

1. The bleakness of the financial outlook is putting off even semi-competent CEOs and Technical Directors. They may see criminal implications down the line, and perhaps recognise that things are only going in a direction which would leave a massive black stain on their CVs.

 

2. Interested potential managers, those with some standing in the game at least, have been scared off when they've become more fully aware of these issues. Others haven't been contacted due to either the board's whims over playing style or potential compensation. The whole Maresca story was a smokescreen to make it look like all was well, and the search under way, hoping as you said that in the meantime something came good under King.

 

3. The entire reign of Maresca, while worthy of credit for the man himself, was another massive smokescreen. There was no internal review. It represented another turn towards the footballing ideals which marked their early appointments (e.g. Sven), and we decided that the positive headlines of a bounce back were preferable to actually solving our problems. Given the cost of the squad, which was far greater than any other in the division's history, a calculation was made that we could do pretty much whatever we wanted - vindicating Top's so-called 'vision' of football in the process - and worry later about points deductions, PSR issues, players who had already let us down at a higher level, a manager who was clearly using us as a stepping stone, and a style of play which would need overhauling once we got up.

 

4. There may also be some reluctance now to work with directors who have such a poor track record, and have got through so many managers in recent years.

 

5. There are some senior players who still have the ear of the chairman, who in turn confuses their one-time financial cost with their actual value. He still overestimates their ability and underestimates the impact of dire morale. Hence, radical action for which there's no action plan often occurs on the rare occasions that he's on the premises.

 

6. The complacency around the club which journalists spoke of so much back in 2022/23 was down to Top above anyone else.

 

7. A vicious circle has developed whereby Top's inadequacy makes it near impossible to acquire competent CEOs, Technical Directors, managers, Heads of Recruitment, and the absence of these voices also makes his decision-making more erratic. And what he actually has is a mechanism around him which protects him from the last vestiges of reality around the club - from fans, journalists and pundits - rather than obliging him to answer their questions. The gentle and at-first-glance pre-agreed nature of the questioning in those interviews points to this (and even if they weren't pre-agreed, interviewers understood that access would only be granted if they spoke quite obsequiously).

 

8. Flattery and diplomacy, both internally and externally, have far too big a role to play in dealing with Top. He's not making decisions based on evidence, but rather on what he wants to hear. And that's why he's surrounded by the likes of Rudkin.

 

9. He isn't capable enough to deal with those issues even when they do become clear, which is often too late.

 

10. This blissful ignorance has also led him to become far too confident in his own ability to make big calls. Too many decisions have been made by a person who has very little knowledge of what's going on and next to no day-to-day involvement coming to the conclusion that he is indeed the right man to make the call.

 

11. Top still believes that he created our success. He fundamentally fails to understand the role of the management staff, or even what his own father did that actually worked, so he's got a kind of Midas complex, but without any notion of the hard work and intelligence which actually brings about success. He is entirely incompetent.

 

12. This is an existential issue for the club. Even with survival this season, unless our trajectory alters radically, we will either be rescued at the last minute due to our one-time stature or restart in non-league as a phoenix club which has to buy back its trophies and ground many, many years down the line. There have been chances to stop this from happening, but at every turn Top's ignored them, and now the solutions are running out. If there are any remaining at all.

 

13. If they cling on, then unless lessons are learned (you'll know if they have, because Rudkin will go and there'll be changes which go way beyond those currently mooted) you'll have more smokescreens and short-term patch-ups. So we need to make sure we're not fooled. The only way forward is the sale of all our major talent, a drastically different budget approach to recruitment, and the patience to see us take time to build again, rather than keep pushing problems further down the line. It's highly unlikely and it'll take years, but still less than coming back from the 9th tier.

 

God, that was longer than I expected. Apologies.

[dobbylcfc]

Hopefully for the first time in a long time king power do the right thing and approach big nige he’s done it before he can rebuild us again. But knowing KP they go for Martin 🤢

[Mickyblueeyes]

Rowett’s comments. The Enzo offer. We are over thinking it. 
 

What has happened - Top wants Enzo only, won’t hear about anyone or anything else. As a result, the rest of the club is stuck in limbo as Top keeps saying, Enzo will respond. 
 

As a result, the process is now on hold in the hope Enzo responds.
 

This isn’t even a joke. This is the madness of our owner. We’ve had it for many years now

[Muzzy_no7]

 

“Gotcha Rudders, you need a manager. Ok Rudders, cheers Rudders, nice one Rudders, See ya Rudders” 

[Buzzell]

10 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Rowett’s comments. The Enzo offer. We are over thinking it. 
 

What has happened - Top wants Enzo only, won’t hear about anyone or anything else. As a result, the rest of the club is stuck in limbo as Top keeps saying, Enzo will respond. 
 

As a result, the process is now on hold in the hope Enzo responds.
 

This isn’t even a joke. This is the madness of our owner. We’ve had it for many years now

There’s no way in hell Enzo comes back to this shit show  

 

Top and Rudkin really are morons.

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 minute ago, Buzzell said:

There’s no way in hell Enzo comes back to this shit show  

 

Top and Rudkin really are morons.

Everyone knows that but think about it. A few days after Marti goes. The ridiculous news breaks. Then we hear nothing until Rowett says, they’ll get someone ambitious. Then nothing again. 
 

He’s walked into a room told them to fire off an offer to Enzo. Walked out, jumped on a flight and no one has the balls to tell him don’t be ridiculous - that’s what the hold up is. 

[Buzzell]

4 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Everyone knows that but think about it. A few days after Marti goes. The ridiculous news breaks. Then we hear nothing until Rowett says, they’ll get someone ambitious. Then nothing again. 
 

He’s walked into a room told them to fire off an offer to Enzo. Walked out, jumped on a flight and no one has the balls to tell him don’t be ridiculous - that’s what the hold up is. 

Honestly if this scenario is true then it would not surprise me one bit  

[1972 Fox]

4 hours ago, LichesterRedSoxSoccerBall said:

Sorry but in any business world you wouldn't have such pathetic planning. They sacked Marti he didn't walk. So succession planning should have been sorted. Lcfc is a business with multi million pounds going in and out, how can you have such incompetence from business leaders. It simply wouldn't be accepted anywhere else so why should it be accepted here. Cvnts

Unfortunately far more multi millions going out than in.