Russell Martin - Confirmed as First Team Manager

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

I disagree. 

I think he's a good player. He may or may not be a problem as a person. Leicester fans clearly think he is. Russell Martin has seen no evidence of this and has praised his professionalism, noting his work with youngsters. That paints a very different picture to what the fans claim about him. 

I'm inclined to trust those that actually know the man.

Out of interest did you watch the game yesterday.

 

Or for that matter have you not seen the last 4 seasons of Faes.

 

He was all over the place against league 2 opposition, he might not even be good enough to play for us in league one. He is also in the conversation for our worst centre back ever.

[BenTheFox]

8 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

MK Dons were a recently promoted club when he took over mid season and kept them up. Once Martin left MK Dons, they had one season and were then relegated. Next season is going to be their first season back in League 1 since then.

 

Martin finished 10th with Swansea. In the three seasons since he left they have not finished higher.

Exactly. Graham Potter got the Brighton job in the premier league after having basically an identical season at Swansea. 

 

His overall win % has been driven down quite significantly by his time at Rangers, which admittedly was a disaster, and his 15 or so premier league games at Southampton where he had a team that was nowhere near good enough for the level. He obviously tried to implement a style at Southampton in the premier league that exposed their weaknesses more against top class opposition, but ultimately no one was keeping that team in the league. However, hopefully with what should be better players compared to the rest of the division, this hopefully won't be so much of an issue for him. His record at championship and league 1 level is respectable. 

[BenTheFox]

One step at a time people. The absolute priority is getting promoted out of this league. Do I believe that this manager has the capability to get us promoted out of this division at the first time of asking? Yes. At this moment that really is the bottom line. It doesn't matter whether we like the guy or not. 

[BlueBus]

21 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

MK Dons were a newly promoted club when he took over mid season and kept them up. Once Martin left MK Dons, they had one more season in League 1 and were then relegated. Next season is going to be their first season back in League 1 since then.

 

Martin finished 10th with Swansea. In the three seasons since he left they have not finished higher than that.

 

Win percentages are not "facts" they mean fvck all to judge a manger on as there are a range of different things to take into account such as number of games managed. I've just checked and Maresca hasthe highest win percentage of any Leicester City manager ever but he's not our greatest ever manager.

How did they do the previous 2 seasons? 

I concede that obviously the teams they manage effect win %, I know this.

 

I was just saying that other managers who have very similar circumstances, I.E the current MK Dons manager, who's managed Rotherham, Derby and MK Dons win more games on average than RM and I didn't include Rangers or Southampton in his 37% win rate in the end. 
 

[Fox92]

31 minutes ago, BlueBus said:

How did they do the previous 2 seasons? 

I concede that obviously the teams they manage effect win %, I know this.

 

I was just saying that other managers who have very similar circumstances, I.E the current MK Dons manager, who's managed Rotherham, Derby and MK Dons win more games on average than RM and I didn't include Rangers or Southampton in his 37% win rate in the end. 
 

Two previous seasons they were in the play offs under Steve Cooper, yeah. No doubt he did a great job and also benefited from his previous experience as he was able to bring in good young players on loan such as Gallagher, Guehi, Brewster, Woodman (and I know he's older but Hourihane too). 

 

But I think the bigger picture are the seasons after, not before, in which Swansea haven't improved and not finished higher than their 10th place that Martin had them. That includes Graham Potter of course who then moved onto Brighton in the Premier League.

 

The current MK Dons manager is Paul Warne. His time at Rotherham was successful so I don't doubt he has a better win percentage than Martin. I still don't think it's a good comparison of managers though.

 

At the end of the day we just want promotion from this league and I think Martin will deliver that.

[Dan]

13 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Let’s be honest, he is a manager trying to save his own career.

His rocked up in league one with a squad that’s suffered 2 relegations and in the transfers coming in look limited.

its makes perfect sense for him to want to get the most out of a player that was just starting in Ligue 1.

Obviously it’s different for the fans, but personally I wouldn’t give a shit if it meant getting out of this shit league any quicker. 

Yeah I'm done with clean slates for nearly any this lot. They can, and will let us down.

[Lambert09]

The easiest thing Martin could do for himself is to integrate as many youth as possible. If we are a little rocky to start with, if the youth are involved I think people will be lenient.  But if we have a rocky start with bdcr, faes, hamza , Thomas and skipp the wolves will be at the door and rightfully so. 
 

a slow transition but building a team around aluko, braybrooke, page and Alves (or any of the youth taking their moment) is fine by me, as long as we see improvements each week 

 

I hate the idea that we’ll have another manager saying all the right things but week 1 the same old highest earners will be trotting around and the youths amazing opportunities that have been touted, will be late substitutions and the Johnstons paint trophy 

Edited 6 hours ago by Lambert09

[coolhandfox]

52 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

The easiest thing Martin could do for himself is to integrate as many youth as possible. If we are a little rocky to start with, if the youth are involved I think people will be lenient.  But if we have a rocky start with bdcr, faes, hamza , Thomas and skipp the wolves will be at the door and rightfully so. 
 

a slow transition but building a team around aluko, braybrooke, page and Alves (or any of the youth taking their moment) is fine by me, as long as we see improvements each week 

 

I hate the idea that we’ll have another manager saying all the right things but week 1 the same old highest earners will be trotting around and the youths amazing opportunities that have been touted, will be late substitutions and the Johnstons paint trophy 

I think we will still see senior players leave be surprised if we still have Faes, Skipp and BCDR by the time the season kicks off. 

[Lambert09]

7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think we will still see senior players leave be surprised if we still have Faes, Skipp and BCDR by the time the season kicks off. 

I hope so. I do think BCDR will  be one of the ones to stay though. 

[inckley fox]

6 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

I disagree. 

I think he's a good player. He may or may not be a problem as a person. Leicester fans clearly think he is. Russell Martin has seen no evidence of this and has praised his professionalism, noting his work with youngsters. That paints a very different picture to what the fans claim about him. 

I'm inclined to trust those that actually know the man.

Well they've all taken your stance, without exception, and paid quite the price for it. It may be old-fashioned of me, but I prefer to judge players by their performances (and his have been suspect in many, many games in the three relegations he's featured in) and actions (e.g. wanting to leave as early as his first pre-season with us, cupping his ears etc.) than by what managers with questionable track records who have spent five minutes at the club say about how great he is. On the one hand is a huge amount of evidence that he's not very good and isn't a particularly great bloke to have hanging around the place, and on the other is an extremely dubious opinion which we've heard several times in the past, and seen with our own eyes, over years, to be misguided every time.

[Les-TA-Jon]

48 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think we will still see senior players leave be surprised if we still have Faes, Skipp and BCDR by the time the season kicks off. 

We have 5 competitive fixtures before the window closes. Will probably be some involvement for some of the wantaway/need to sell players.