Player/Players to leave in the summer.

[Foxes_Trust]

Lisa I know Birch alone will not keep a player, he is part of a bigger cost cutting that could go someway towards keeping a player. People are opposed to cutting costs and losing players... my point is you can't have it both ways.

Are the club in a position to sit and wait to see how we start I wonder.

As Rick pointed out we have quite a few high earners out of contract, i'd like to know if the trusts "sell a player" was taking into account players already out of contract.

Out of contract players will reduce the wage bill obviously, but generate no transfer income.

Ideally you would want to sell somebody who would attract reasonable bids, but aren't in the first choice 11 of the manager

[Foxes_Trust]

Makes you wonder why on earth they gave Levein £300k for Hammond when we already had him on loan til Xmas and they knew full well that gates were down on what had been forecast which would swallow up the £1m from Wigan.

I'm not entirely impressed by the spend now pay later attitude of our board! One day it's going to get us into a hell of a lot of trouble.

That isn't the clubs policy at all, but sacking a management team costs money - originally there would have been money available next season from the extra £1m.

[Foxes_Trust]

I would like to see someone justify

Tim Davies on £250,000 / year + bonuses

Ms Bucci on £100, 000 / year

When the club is no more than an aspiring Championship play off team.

These positions and salaries say one thing to me Premiership, they should be cutting the cloth at the top to match the shoddy clothing being produced.

The main salary levels are set by the Renumeration Committe which contains several unpaid Non-Exec Directors.

They have previously told shareholders that the levels are set to be around a mid-range price for the job.

[Nationwider]

His 'boyhood' club apparantly, whoever that is...

I reckon it's Dukla Prague.

[Foxes_Trust]

I personally would still be against the Tigers ground share as I honestly don't believe it would of made that major of a difference to transfer budgets/contracts.

Yes it would, combined cost savings achieved would have generated £1m savings alone, without any other opportunities to utilise the venue without local competiion

[Jonbluefox9]

I think players such as Stearman, Weso and Sheehan will be the heartbeat of our team next season and i can't see them leaving, they all seem to want to just play regualar football and have all stated they love the club.

We all know Joey is leaving added with the probable departure of Tiatto and other players that i think could leave are Sylla and Williams.

Sometimes transfers are taken out of the hands of players. Matty Piper loved Leicester too but for the good of the club he really did have to go when we got the offer we did from Sunderland. If they love the club and the club say "it will help us if you do leave for the fee we've agreed" then they will move to help the club.

His 'boyhood' club apparantly, whoever that is...

Rangers or Blackburn Rovers if I remember correctly. Not sure which of those clubs is a more likely move for him really.

[andyb92]

We dont need that many players I dont think.

Weso and Sheehan will be two players who will cement there places in the side next season. The defence is fine , If we can keep hold of Stearman , just slot Sheehan at LB and keep Paddy Mac and Kisnorbo at CB's.

With Joey leaving we do need another CM , Weso will be awesome next season , maybe him and Hughes in the middle. Get rid of Gareth Williams , bring in an attacking goalscoring midfielder.

Maybe we could snap Welsh up for the left wing position , that would be ideal.

Up front we are fine , Fryatt and Hume will set the league a-light next season.

Get rid of Sylla replace him with Gradel - Sorted

Thats all well and good but it depends on what sort of season you are expecting, if its to be a midtable to lower half finish fair enough but to challenge for at least even the playoffs there is gona have to be some transfer activity to provide strength in depth, i agree that alot of the players we have are good enough to get us out of this division but what happens when hume, fryatt or a man who has broken his leg !!twice!! in a season (albeit it was not his fault) get injured - there is no one of any real callibre to replace them and with the likes of birm city and portsmouth coming down this year i can see the championship being very competitive next season.

[Dr The Singh]

Well one of those players has already agreed a transfer.

Have you got a link or something, where's your info from, HonourableOne????

[Ric Flair]

Ummm isn't it £2 million for Connolly rising to £3 mil, Fryatt potentially 850k and Hume potentially £1.1mil?

Fryatt's will rise to a potential 750k depending on whether we get promoted, how many games/goals he scored, plus he has a sell on clause. Hume was 500k upfront, rising to 750k if we get promoted. Again I think he might have a sell on clause.

[Ric Flair]

Rangers or Blackburn Rovers if I remember correctly. Not sure which of those clubs is a more likely move for him really.

Motherwell rings a bell aswell, not sure why?

[hairy]

Just to clarify bank overdrafts can be withdrawn by the bank immediately regardless of whether the lendee breaches any terms and conditions or not.

Banks aren't stupid if they think a business is going down the pan and there's no assets to sell off to repay their loan they don't just sit around praying for the business to breach the terms and conditions they withdraw the facility immediately. Nothing to do with being unprofessional it's the most common sense business policy I could think of?!

Unfortunately (and sorry to get all accountancy on ur ass) there's some pretty mental accounting standards coming into play which are going to make LCFC's accounts look even worse. Given that we don't own our stadium outright these are still worrying times.

Makes you wonder why on earth they gave Levein £300k for Hammond when we already had him on loan til Xmas and they knew full well that gates were down on what had been forecast which would swallow up the £1m from Wigan.

I'm not entirely impressed by the spend now pay later attitude of our board! One day it's going to get us into a hell of a lot of trouble.

Thanks Matt. At last someone on here who understands business basics! YOUR HIRED!

[Manwell Pablo]

Thanks Matt. At last someone on here who understands business basics! YOUR HIRED!

Again, as I keep saying, you need a reason, i.e the business is going down the pan.... however if the business is ticking over nicely, no bank in the world will pull the plug. I honestly don't belive a bank would remove Leicester Citys overdraft facilty unless absloutely nesaccery.

[Thracian]

The groundshare is a short-term fix.

Getting rid of the Birch will not keep any of those players here for half a season let alone the whole.

The best solution for us is to stay up, keep Kelly, then hope we get off to a flyer when the new season starts. No compo, and increased ticket revenue.

It's all ifs and buts at this stage, though.

[hairy]

Again, as I keep saying, you need a reason, i.e the business is going down the pan.... however if the business is ticking over nicely, no bank in the world will pull the plug. I honestly don't belive a bank would remove Leicester Citys overdraft facilty unless absloutely nesaccery.

My point is they will have to sell players to keep the bank happy. If they dont the bank could pull the plug. Most administrations are brought about by companys that lend money i.e. banks and pension funds etc.

I find it dissapointing the club is in this situation as it gives an element of control to the bank who have little interest in the club's success.

[Dr The Singh]

City financially are ok, were not losing much money and are not making much, but for the manager to buy players he must sell first, if a transfer fee is involved etc. We have become a selling club in one sense, I can see city selling one of our young stars as a fund raiser!!!

[Thracian]

I don't think we have been cautious away from home other than perhaps 2 games under Levein (Wolves and Reading) the rest of the games we lost, we were just shite down to poor finishing, defending, etc. I agree with your above posts, but you make it out to sound easier than it really is. I don't think this team plays cautious football, what they do play is very inconsistent (getting better now though) football, which results in varied results. Away from home will always favour the home teams unless your near the top of the table, which we aren't. Hopefully next season we might improve dramatically.

I'm sorry if I gave the impression it was easy. It is not. But it does require a certain attitude of mind from the start and the courage to believe in it. It also means having a single minded approach to the players you sign and pick.

For example to me, Sylla is ineffective as a right winger because he never scores and never creates therefore someone else has to make up for that shortfall for us to be successful and you won't normally get players that brilliant in our division.

We had another example with Hammond. In many ways I like the lad, he's a trier, he gets in good positions, he's quick and he's strong. But he doesn't score often enough for a striker and he's difficult for his playing partners to read and predict. Not what we need unless he can change quickly.

There needs to be a rule of thumb. Signing a striker? First question - average goals per season. If it is below what is acceptable (at whatever level he plays) think again.

Signing a winger. How many goals per season, how many assists?. There may be circumstances and variables to take into consideration before a final decision is made but the stats are such a useful guide.

And it is the same with defenders and goalkeepers. Examine their record closely. How many goals did their team concede when your target player was in the team, how many games won etc?. If Levein had not made so many bad signings even he would not have been sacked.

To follow my policy I'd say definitely surplus at Leicester from our squad list: Sylla, Hamill, Tiatto, Williams, Hughes, Hammond, Morris, Logan, and probably one goalkeeper. That's nine players who, for one reason or another are not effective enough and I could argue the case strongly for three others going on the list. I don't say these players are not any good just that they wouldn't fit into my approach.

There are forwards coming through the reserves including winger Gradel, Chambers, Dodds and Odihiambo but I cannot see any obvious midfield players or defenders coming from that source in the next year, so that is where our priority lies in signing replacements.

Virtually all of the surplus are midfielders. None of the midfielders score and none of them really create. I'd also wish to strengthen the defence with a big, strong reasonably mobile defender who can bag a few goals.

You can perhaps see now why I'd like the manager's position sorted and the club to start making preparations for next season PDQ.

The money for Hughes, Hammond and Williams might mean we could avoid having to sell one of our better players which would be nice, at least for one season.

Should that be possible I would then make sure to bring Sheehan and Chambers through next season - and hopefully at least one out of Dodds, Odhiambo and Gradel.

It is alright looking to the next match. Managers also have to look to the future and, unfortunately, the Board have to make sure that they do.

It's not simple. But at least I've tried to explain how I'd approach it.

[Ric Flair]

Great post, I agree with you. We all know that Levein had his faults which has resulted in us being nearly relegated, hopefully next season will be different but I think we'll find ourselves in a similar position if we continue to play players out of position and don't play two attacking wingers. They don't even have to score goals but be able to put the work in and provide the attack with opportunities.

Hughes and Maybury don't do this. I still like Hughes, he's had a fairly poor season but with the situation we are in unless someone offered us a fair bit of money i'd keep him and use him more wisely.

[Frenzied]

I'm sorry if I gave the impression it was easy. It is not. But it does require a certain attitude of mind from the start and the courage to believe in it. It also means having a single minded approach to the players you sign and pick.

For example to me, Sylla is ineffective as a right winger because he never scores and never creates therefore someone else has to make up for that shortfall for us to be successful and you won't normally get players that brilliant in our division.

We had another example with Hammond. In many ways I like the lad, he's a trier, he gets in good positions, he's quick and he's strong. But he doesn't score often enough for a striker and he's difficult for his playing partners to read and predict. Not what we need unless he can change quickly.

There needs to be a rule of thumb. Signing a striker? First question - average goals per season. If it is below what is acceptable (at whatever level he plays) think again.

Signing a winger. How many goals per season, how many assists?. There may be circumstances and variables to take into consideration before a final decision is made but the stats are such a useful guide.

And it is the same with defenders and goalkeepers. Examine their record closely. How many goals did their team concede when your target player was in the team, how many games won etc?. If Levein had not made so many bad signings even he would not have been sacked.

To follow my policy I'd say definitely surplus at Leicester from our squad list: Sylla, Hamill, Tiatto, Williams, Hughes, Hammond, Morris, Logan, and probably one goalkeeper. That's nine players who, for one reason or another are not effective enough and I could argue the case strongly for three others going on the list. I don't say these players are not any good just that they wouldn't fit into my approach.

There are forwards coming through the reserves including winger Gradel, Chambers, Dodds and Odihiambo but I cannot see any obvious midfield players or defenders coming from that source in the next year, so that is where our priority lies in signing replacements.

Virtually all of the surplus are midfielders. None of the midfielders score and none of them really create. I'd also wish to strengthen the defence with a big, strong reasonably mobile defender who can bag a few goals.

You can perhaps see now why I'd like the manager's position sorted and the club to start making preparations for next season PDQ.

The money for Hughes, Hammond and Williams might mean we could avoid having to sell one of our better players which would be nice, at least for one season.

Should that be possible I would then make sure to bring Sheehan and Chambers through next season - and hopefully at least one out of Dodds, Odhiambo and Gradel.

It is alright looking to the next match. Managers also have to look to the future and, unfortunately, the Board have to make sure that they do.

It's not simple. But at least I've tried to explain how I'd approach it.

I agree with most of what you're saying but I think Hughes would be a big loss; he's young and has bags of potential. Perhaps I'm viewing him with rose-tinted spectacles due to his performances last season, although he has had some good games this season, albeit sporadically. However, his injury problems haven't helped with consistency.

You should also mention De Vries and in this respect I think we may have some luck due to his performances in more high profile games ie Spurs. Non-Leicester fans that I spoke to after that game were raving about him.

[Louise]

Fryatt's will rise to a potential 750k depending on whether we get promoted, how many games/goals he scored, plus he has a sell on clause. Hume was 500k upfront, rising to 750k if we get promoted. Again I think he might have a sell on clause.

Just having a look at additional costs for our players:

Hughes costs another 100k once he's made a certain amount of appearances (don't know how much).

Williams costs another 100k if we get promoted and has a 15% sell-on clause.

Hume costs another 250k if we get promoted and has a 10% sell-on clause.

Fryatt costs another 400k - not sure if that is dependant on goals, appearances or promotion though, probably a mix of the three - and has an undisclosed sell-on clause.

Hammond costs another 125k if we get promoted.

[Thracian]

I agree with most of what you're saying but I think Hughes would be a big loss; he's young and has bags of potential. Perhaps I'm viewing him with rose-tinted spectacles due to his performances last season, although he has had some good games this season, albeit sporadically. However, his injury problems haven't helped with consistency.

You should also mention De Vries and in this respect I think we may have some luck due to his performances in more high profile games ie Spurs. Non-Leicester fans that I spoke to after that game were raving about him.

Yes, sorry I forgot about DeVries.

As for Hughes, I expected a bit of feedback on that because I had to think long and hard about putting him in the list. Many knowledgeable fans quite rate Hughes and hoped he would really shine this season. He seems to be getting his engine running now but I put him in for several reasons...

To me, he's not strong enough as a defensive midfielder. Nor is he fast, clever or skillful enough to be a particularly creative player. So considering he doesn't make many goals and doesn't score very many, plus the fact that he would fetch a fee, I felt we could do better.

However it was a borderline thing and I am sure that if he stayed on he would remain an asset. You are quite right that youth is on his side and I would also say he also puts the effort in which is important. Hammond is another I'm reluctant to put in the list cos he is fast and he does give 100% effort. It is just that I think strikers need to deliver 15 goals plus a season and he doesn't get close.

[Ric Flair]

Just having a look at additional costs for our players:

Hughes costs another 100k once he's made a certain amount of appearances (don't know how much).

Williams costs another 100k if we get promoted and has a 15% sell-on clause.

Hume costs another 250k if we get promoted and has a 10% sell-on clause.

Fryatt costs another 400k - not sure if that is dependant on goals, appearances or promotion though, probably a mix of the three - and has an undisclosed sell-on clause.

Hammond costs another 125k if we get promoted.

Chances are though, Elvis and Williams won't be here if we ever get promoted within the next few years so we won't have to pay that. You also only pay sell on clauses on the profit you make, so if Williams is sold for 500k or less then Forest get bugger all more off us.

[Jon the Hat]

Just to clarify bank overdrafts can be withdrawn by the bank immediately regardless of whether the lendee breaches any terms and conditions or not.

Banks aren't stupid if they think a business is going down the pan and there's no assets to sell off to repay their loan they don't just sit around praying for the business to breach the terms and conditions they withdraw the facility immediately. Nothing to do with being unprofessional it's the most common sense business policy I could think of?!

Unfortunately (and sorry to get all accountancy on ur ass) there's some pretty mental accounting standards coming into play which are going to make LCFC's accounts look even worse. Given that we don't own our stadium outright these are still worrying times.

Makes you wonder why on earth they gave Levein £300k for Hammond when we already had him on loan til Xmas and they knew full well that gates were down on what had been forecast which would swallow up the £1m from Wigan.

I'm not entirely impressed by the spend now pay later attitude of our board! One day it's going to get us into a hell of a lot of trouble.

I think the point here is not whether the bank CAN withdraw the facility but whether they are likely to do so. Banks are indeed not stupid, and it is not in their interests to send anyone into administration, as they are not likely to top the list for payment. Secondly, they become less attractive as a lender if they are seen to be withdrawing loans from high profile customers. Thirdly, PR wise, they would risk a boycott by 20,000 plus potential customers.

If they beleieve their money is at risk, they would certainly request a review, and might even want the amount reduced or increse the interest rate. But lets not start panicking about then withdrawing the facility imminently.

[reynard]

De vries is not certain to leave? if he does any chance of a fee for him?

I think all out of contract players will be released. Also with no parachute payment/ falling gates and season ticket sales i fear it is certain stearman will be sold for between 1 and 2 million. we desperately need a left back (even if sheehan is upto it) a right sided midfield player and i am afraid to say a striker. all teams promoted to the premiership score lots of goals and though Hume and fryatt are doing ok at the moment imo they will not score enough goals to get us out of this division. We also need some height in the side to compete at this level effectively.

Williams might go as well but not for more than 500k.

[lookwhaticando]

De vries is not certain to leave? if he does any chance of a fee for him?

I think all out of contract players will be released. Also with no parachute payment/ falling gates and season ticket sales i fear it is certain stearman will be sold for between 1 and 2 million. we desperately need a left back (even if sheehan is upto it) a right sided midfield player and i am afraid to say a striker. all teams promoted to the premiership score lots of goals and though Hume and fryatt are doing ok at the moment imo they will not score enough goals to get us out of this division. We also need some height in the side to compete at this level effectively.

Williams might go as well but not for more than 500k.

De Vries is still under contract, so we could get a fee. Not a very large fee tho, most likely. It is a Dutch team he was shipped out to (with a view to a permanent move) and they're hardly known for splashing out big time on players.

[Ric Flair]

De vries is not certain to leave? if he does any chance of a fee for him?

I think all out of contract players will be released. Also with no parachute payment/ falling gates and season ticket sales i fear it is certain stearman will be sold for between 1 and 2 million. we desperately need a left back (even if sheehan is upto it) a right sided midfield player and i am afraid to say a striker. all teams promoted to the premiership score lots of goals and though Hume and fryatt are doing ok at the moment imo they will not score enough goals to get us out of this division. We also need some height in the side to compete at this level effectively.

Williams might go as well but not for more than 500k.

How can you say that? Since they've been playing together there has only been one game that either player hasn't scored in. I had my doubts on whether Hume would score enough, but he's got 8 in 19 starts and if he can finish the season on 12+ then that's an excellent return for a player who had 4 goals from about 15 starts and numerous sub appearances. Fryatt is a natural finisher, look at his record at Walsall and England Under 19's, a goal every other game. He does need to get back amongst the goals this season but I still think he'll score more goals in a season than Connolly would for us. If we struggle next season I still think he will score 15, if we have a good season and push for the play-offs he'll have put 20 or more away.