NATIONAL SERVICE

[Daggers]

Come on then...get some in.

What do you reckon ~ young people lack respect, abuse alcohol and drugs and mess about killing each other with knives when they aren't having fights and vandalising bus shelters or asking people to buy fags for them from the corner shop. Isn't it about time we reintroduced National Service to teach them some manners and values ~ get them to do some badly needed social roles?

[Cobbo]

National Service can suck my salty, hairy balls.

Scum bags.

[Katy]

Kids these days have a low boredom threshold, despite having practically everything they could ever want and maybe thats the problem.

National Service would never happen because of who Governs this namby pamby country of ours

[Cobbo]

National Service is pants.

As bad as some chavs may well be, I refuse to accept the risk that yet another generation of young people to be wiped from the record books ala 14-18 and 39-45.

If it was something like people have to do as community service - then go for it. Get them painting schools and things

[Finnegan]

Yeah that's well good, mate. Take the dickhead, gun totting, ghetto would-be-gangstas off the streets of London, teach them to USE those firearms, get them physically fit and then throw them back a year later!

STUNNING idea.

[Katy]

National Service is pants.

As bad as some chavs may well be, I refuse to accept the risk that yet another generation of young people to be wiped from the record books ala 14-18 and 39-45.

If it was something like people have to do as community service - then go for it. Get them painting schools and things

That's probably a more realistic plan, but still, this Labour Government won't have any of it as it's against this human rights cloak they always hide behind as they are too gutless to enforce anything worthwhile.

[Nationwider]

Kids these days have a low boredom threshold, despite having practically everything they could ever want and maybe thats the problem.

National Service would never happen because of who Governs this namby pamby country of ours

Something that gets on my nerves is this bringing children above the poverty line bollocks that the government harps on about. Apart from being a typically pointless Blair-style exercise in manipulating statistics, where the **** in Britain are the shanty towns, the kids aged 6 with Khalashnikovs fighting in civil wars, the two-year olds begging for change whilst standing in raw sewage?

Apparently the new definition of poverty is not having a PS2 or a DVD player in every room of the house. A generation is growing up thinking the whole ****ing world owes them a living.

I feel so middle class it's dirty.

[The People's Hero]

I 'ate scroungers.

[Lemon Harpic]

Young offenders often have to do community service. The long-term unemployed also have to do something similar as part of the New Deal (introduced by New Labour) or they lose their benefits.

National service would most likely end up being costly and ineffective. It's a pathetic solution, a band-aid (as the septics say) that could never deal with the real root of Britain's social problems. All it would serve to do is give middle-class tossers a short-lived sense of satisfaction and give the government a temporary PR boost.

Which is why I'm absolutely stunned that Blair hasn't thought of it yet.

[Finnegan]

I 'ate scroungers.

Fock off, there's nothing wrong with being in higher education.

[macbeth]

bring it on it didn't do robert lindsay any harm........where do i sign to get it re-introduced?

[The Don]

Just a quick point, would women have to do national service - surely if it was introduced then it would highly sexist not include the opposite sex?

Would that then increase teenage pregnancy rates??

[macbeth]

Just a quick point, would women have to do national service - surely if it was introduced then it would highly sexist not include the opposite sex?

Would that then increase teenage pregnancy rates??

yes national service for all sexes male female and any other who tries to dodge it ;

after a full day yomping over salisbury plain no other contraception would be needed ; i think teenage pregnancy would become a thing of the past

of course if ther were to be any pregnancies it would have to be the fittest and most virile of young men and women so we'd have the added benefit of a master race in the next generation because the layabouts wouldn't have the energy to reproduce at the alarming rate they do now.

[Tomassi]

why not just expose kids to some of the really shit jobs out there, a bit like work experience but rather 'reality' experience? so like you could be doing a really poo job like filling gas canisters up for £4 n hour and see what sort of people work like that, then it might hit them and make em work harder?

maybe not!

[Ric Flair]

I have an idea. It might sound outageous and probably wouldn't work, but I think it's technically good.

1) Everybody has as much money they want. Money is made at will for everyone, there's no divides in wealth and class. No poverty, everybody can eat atleast 5 full meals every day. Everybody must work though, even though money is in abundance, if they refuse they get snuffed.

2) Anybody who commits a crime, get's punished as normal. They then have a chance to be redeem themselves. If they commit another crime of a similar nature or any crime that shows they haven't changed or aren't interested in changing then they get executed.

It is very rare that somebody will commit several crimes and then eventually become a nice person in society. If this rule was put in place then people would have to change and if they didn't or couldn't then they'd be snuffed out and the world would be a better place, fewer ques in Asda, etc.

Sorted.

[The Don]

yes national service for all sexes male female and any other who tries to dodge it ;

after a full day yomping over salisbury plain no other contraception would be needed ; i think teenage pregnancy would become a thing of the past

of course if ther were to be any pregnancies it would have to be the fittest and most virile of young men and women so we'd have the added benefit of a master race in the next generation because the layabouts wouldn't have the energy to reproduce at the alarming rate they do now.

You'd have to start national service young then - like 12 - If national service started at age 16 I can guarantee there would be an increase in under 16 pregnancy at an outrageous percentage

[The Don]

I have an idea. It might sound outageous and probably wouldn't work, but I think it's technically good.

1) Everybody has as much money they want. Money is made at will for everyone, there's no divides in wealth and class. No poverty, everybody can eat atleast 5 full meals every day. Everybody must work though, even though money is in abundance, if they refuse they get snuffed.

2) Anybody who commits a crime, get's punished as normal. They then have a chance to be redeem themselves. If they commit another crime of a similar nature or any crime that shows they haven't changed or aren't interested in changing then they get executed.

It is very rare that somebody will commit several crimes and then eventually become a nice person in society. If this rule was put in place then people would have to change and if they didn't or couldn't then they'd be snuffed out and the world would be a better place, fewer ques in Asda, etc.

Sorted.

Rick point 1 will never work, I could go on for hours why and the results but can't be bothered. Point 2 though is very good -

[macbeth]

You'd have to start national service young then - like 12 - If national service started at age 16 I can guarantee there would be an increase in under 16 pregnancy at an outrageous percentage

do you mean the layabout types would get pregnant as a draft dodge? if so make sure they went to prison for underage sex and then have creches for the young uns when the reprobate parents have done their stir

[Rincewind]

Has anyone thought as to whether the Armed Forces want these young people that society discards as useless? The forces today want intelligent people (except for the battle fodder) and qualifications are needed in a lot of the work they do. If a young lad is brainy enough to work with electronics, computers and the like he should be brainy enough to get a job in Civvy street.

These young people will still face the same problems when they leave the army. They will need a job, somewhere to live and money to pay bills. Figures given out by SHELTER indicate that a high proportion of homeless people are ex-servicemen/women. They go into the army because they have a troubled homelife whether through divorce being in detention centres or the like. When they leave the army they are used to the regimented style being tol when to wake up when to eat and even having to ask permission to take a shit. This means that some cannot cope when facing decisions in civvy street. I know what replies this will receive 'Oh I know some ex-army lads and they do OK' That may be true but do we really want to take the chance of more homeless on the streets.

There is a problem with anti-social behavior, but instead of finding a solution after the event we should be looking at prevention and the reasons why this happens. What is lacking today is parental guidance. Either through nessity or for a better social life many have both parents working leaving little time to interact with their children who are left to fend for themselves and the weaker-minded kids follow the stroger willed ones which is when they get into mischeif. From an early age children are able to manlpulate their parents into buying them the best toys games etc. because the parents want a quiet life. Children even at a very young age have a knack of knowing how to get their own way. Give off a screaming tantrum when passing a sweet shop and the mother will go in to buy them their favourite sweet. Not the penny one but the most expensive.

How many kids will say to their mates, 'I don't need to do a paper round to get that vid my parents will give me the money, they'll give me anything that I want.'

Is this kid in the wrong? He probably has had things his own way since a toddler so knows no different. No-one has told him any different except for those in authority which he will regel against as most teenagers do.

If a kid grows up in a house where the father constantly beats the mother he will think it's normal to do the same. This may not always be the case but as a rule violent people come from violent backgrounds.

[macbeth]

i remember the late 50s early 60s when most of the young men who had done national service returned to normal civvy life and most coped pretty well

there was alot less homelessness then so i don't see how the two are related; indeed most leicester folk knew "rum weather" ( do you remember him? ) as a friend because he was about the only homeless person on the city streets unlike now

as for the modern army not wanting them ; a separate type of national military style organisation could be set up (ala home guard) with broom handles instead of rifles etc

[Daggers]

I've heard the concept mooted before, personally I'm not into teaching people how to kill ... but I do think we need to address the dire level of respect in the country.

We don't seem to value the old anymore, as I'm sure a couple of members of FT will confirm just as we don't seem to value youth, politeness or respect.

If we aren't going to send all the little scallywags to boot camp to learn respect then how else can we do it?

[Thracian]

I have an idea. It might sound outageous and probably wouldn't work, but I think it's technically good.

1) Everybody has as much money they want. Money is made at will for everyone, there's no divides in wealth and class. No poverty, everybody can eat atleast 5 full meals every day. Everybody must work though, even though money is in abundance, if they refuse they get snuffed.

2) Anybody who commits a crime, get's punished as normal. They then have a chance to be redeem themselves. If they commit another crime of a similar nature or any crime that shows they haven't changed or aren't interested in changing then they get executed.

It is very rare that somebody will commit several crimes and then eventually become a nice person in society. If this rule was put in place then people would have to change and if they didn't or couldn't then they'd be snuffed out and the world would be a better place, fewer ques in Asda, etc.

Sorted.

With the number of laws we have now everyone will be committing crimes whether they know it or not.

But as a recipe for population control, brilliant especially when the non-Christians start controlling the country in 10-15 years time

[Dr The Singh]

With the number of laws we have now everyone will be committing crimes whether they know it or not.

But as a recipe for population control, brilliant especially when the non-Christians start controlling the country in 10-15 years time

I'm a non christian, do you think I have a chance of running the country!!

[Thracian]

I'd probably have much less worry about you running the country than what we've got right now (as I am sure you appreciate underneath) but I can think of alternative governments which would make you feel as uncomfortable as me given Ric's one chance and you're out regime

[Dr The Singh]

I'd probably have less worry about you running the country than what we've got right now (as I am sure you appreciate underneath) but I can think of alternative governments which would make you feel as uncomfortable as me given Ric's one chance and you're out regime

Gimmicks like that would never work, at the moment we live in a so called 'democratic' system that doesn't have any alternatives within the parties that are trying to gain power. Politics etc is too complicated to me, nothing seems to be what it is supposed to be, and there always is an alterior motive to what governments do........a honest man\woman would never succeed in politics!!!