ROSSINDA Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Well said. Yep I agree, well said (that’s 3 for the minority)
golden gordon Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 well said thracian; and sentimentally i agree, but the truly beautiful game that it seems we both loved has long since passed ( if it ever was so untinged by mercenaries or is it just our rose coloured specs working overtime ) what i find so amazing is the fact that you still have belief that there is even a shred of integrity in the game and that our home grown talent ( should it ever get any where near bringing glory) will behave any differently to the over paid stars that they are aiming to emulate. but i hope your faith can be repaid
Thracian Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Oh look, it's the Rob Kelly Fan Bus. Where were you two weeks ago? I'll have a go at my wife sometimes - but it hasn't stopped me loving her these last 40 years!.
bigneville Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 I'll have a go at my wife sometimes - but it hasn't stopped me loving her these last 40 years!. Just love the metaphors......
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 I'll have a go at my wife sometimes - but it hasn't stopped me loving her these last 40 years!. God help her. A couple more defeats and you'll be standing at the shore waving Kelly off again.
Thracian Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 well said thracian; and sentimentally i agree, but the truly beautiful game that it seems we both loved has long since passed ( if it ever was so untinged by mercenaries or is it just our rose coloured specs working overtime ) what i find so amazing is the fact that you still have belief that there is even a shred of integrity in the game and that our home grown talent ( should it ever get any where near bringing glory) will behave any differently to the over paid stars that they are aiming to emulate. but i hope your faith can be repaid Gareth Barry has changed his want away attitude at Villa for one reason - MON City's youngsters have been together a long time and they play well together, socialise together, share the peaks and troughs together. It is hard to abandon that and risk being in a wilderness where you can soon get lost. There's a selfless and a selfish side. These lads may realise that they won't ever play as well with anyone else. If you show faith in people and treat them with fairness and respect there is no limits to what they will do for you.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Gareth Barry has changed his want away attitude at Villa for one reason - MON City's youngsters have been together a long time and they play well together, socialise together, share the peaks and troughs together. It is hard to abandon that and risk being in a wilderness where you can soon get lost. There's a selfless and a selfish side. These lads may realise that they won't ever play as well with anyone else. If you show faith in people and treat them with fairness and respect there is no limits to what they will do for you. But you want to sell them all within the next three years?
golden gordon Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Gareth Barry has changed his want away attitude at Villa for one reason - MON City's youngsters have been together a long time and they play well together, socialise together, share the peaks and troughs together. It is hard to abandon that and risk being in a wilderness where you can soon get lost. There's a selfless and a selfish side. These lads may realise that they won't ever play as well with anyone else. If you show faith in people and treat them with fairness and respect there is no limits to what they will do for you. love to see you proved right however i won't be suprised if at the first sign of of a big money move , any one of them would be off like a rat up a drainpipe, sorry to sound so cynical but 40 odd years of football supporting have drained my belief in your last maxim
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Gareth Barry has changed his want away attitude at Villa for one reason - MON City's youngsters have been together a long time and they play well together, socialise together, share the peaks and troughs together. It is hard to abandon that and risk being in a wilderness where you can soon get lost. There's a selfless and a selfish side. These lads may realise that they won't ever play as well with anyone else. If you show faith in people and treat them with fairness and respect there is no limits to what they will do for you. Sheer fantasy. Offer one a chance to go to Everton and he will be off like a shot. All football players are mercenaries, they get paid to play. A tiny number of players come through youth systems and stay with one club. If you think our youngsters love this club as much as you or me your sadly mistaken. Any way, as F to the Ezzly has already pointed. I thought you plan was to sell them all for grossly inflated prices to pay off our stadium debt. The way you use the word rent in RE to Chelsea is laughable as well, he owns it and has stated he wants them to dominate the English game for a 100 years. That is not renting.
Thracian Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 God help her. A couple more defeats and you'll be standing at the shore waving Kelly off again. It's because I want him to stay that I lambast the silly sod at times - not because I want him to go!. There are times when he should join The Singh and I for some Baabar beer - cos after a pint or two of that he might fully appreciate what a wonderful football team he doesn't yet realise he's got!
Thracian Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Sheer fantasy. Offer one a chance to go to Everton and he will be off like a shot. All football players are mercenaries, they get paid to play. A tiny number of players come through youth systems and stay with one club. If you think our youngsters love this club as much as you or me your sadly mistaken. Any way, as F to the Ezzly has already pointed. I thought you plan was to sell them all for grossly inflated prices to pay off our stadium debt. The way you use the word rent in RE to Chelsea is laughable as well, he owns it and has stated he wants them to dominate the English game for a 100 years. That is not renting. I would always sell some because it is the only way to keep our clubs books balanced. Unless, of course, I could possibly avoid it which might well be how it would turn out!. And the word rent was figurative. I knew a team which totally dominated its sport for years - and it ruined the competition in that area permanently. One club's dominance is not good for the game even if that club's fans might mistakenly think it is.
Thracian Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 But you want to sell them all within the next three years? When did I ever say that? I would never sell any more than I possibly had to for the purposes of staying solvent and for the necessity of continuing to field the best increasingly self-produced team that we could. There would always some players who were being overtaken by others.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 I would always sell some because it is the only way to keep our clubs books balanced. Unless, of course, I could possibly avoid it which might well be how it would turn out!. And the word rent was figurative. I knew a team which totally dominated its sport for years - and it ruined the competition in that area permanently. One club's dominance is not good for the game even if that club's fans might mistakenly think it is. You might not like it but Abramovich has raised the bar. It's up to other clubs to follow now. Lerner has taken over Villa and Gaydamak has taken over Portsmouth. If the choice is between another season of sculling around lower midtable of this crappy division or getting our finances sorted and getting some clout to compete with even the bloody West Broms of this world in the transfer market then I know which I would rather happen. Also, how exactly are Chelsea dominating English, or indeed European, football? They haven't won the Champions League, they've won the league twice (no great shakes in the grand scheme of things) and have already lost this season.
Ric Flair Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Apart from some doubtful company among his Chosen Men I'd like to know precisely what Kelly is doing wrong and exactly what the likes of Alan Curbishley (as mentioned by Mort) will be likely to do that Kelly can't. So far Kelly has saved us from freefall and a genuine threat of relegation. He has now, after donating our opposition a six point start for no reason that ever seemed logical, lifted us into the top half of the table. Not only that but the sort of team we might field now is far better than that which Levein put out and our prospects therefore look rosier. By bringing on the likes of Porter, Wesolowski, O'Grady, Kisnorbo, he is increasing the value of our squad almost daily. And he's managing to do it on sweet FA. Curbishley might have done okay in his familiar London backyard but he's no MON or Sir Alec Ferguson and I don't remember Charlton as being particularly attractive to watch - in fact I seem to remember us turning them over quite comfortably. Curbishley might well produce a more attactive team with some magnate's millions but equally so might Kelly or RicFlair or The Singh. Anyone can hire a group of mercenaries to win a battle. But, they'll be soon gone when a bigger purse is waved in front of their eyes. There's signs of something being built at Leicester, a team that's worth having and a team that's worth being proud of in a way that a Mandaric-type travelling circus will never be. I'm plainly in the minority but I don't subscribe to selling our soul and transferring our debts to some foreign speculator who simply sees us as a potentially lucrative plaything. And then having to abandon what is really worth finishing! Exactly how are players like Stearman, Weso, Porter, O'Grady, Gradel, Dodds worse than some of these foreign all-but-unknowns that are turning up and giving free penalties away for clubs like Blackburn? It makes me sick. Build on solid ground and build something that will last instead of something that will fall apart at the seams come the first sign of wet weather and which will weaken our own game in the long run. Mandaric's Men will be no more Leicester than the Abramovich rent-a-crowd at Chelsea. And what may look like a carnival is really a cancer that's chewing the life out of football. It's an illusion. It's not a real "match". The crowd is more like the masses of Londoners who used to turn up for executions. They are there for the carnival atmosphere, the sideshows but because there's a hanging every fortnight they'll soon grow blase. Chelsea isn't Chelsea. It is just a rented organism that is occupying its body and could as easily be wearing the colours of MK Dons. There's nothing to care for, nothing that's "family". It's just a version of the Harlem Globetrotters. Canned entertainment on hire for the amusement of corporate guests who like to be seen anywhere and in the company of anyone that's awash with money. Ironically, it's stinks of cheapness really. In fact it's so cheap that good men like Rob Kelly can be cast aside - for a few pieces of silver as a thank you for what's amounted to saving our club's life. And fans moan when a player or a manager lacks loyalty. Talk about shameless hypocrisy. Aren't Portsmouth the 'Real' Portsmouth since Mandaric took over about 8 years ago? There's a massive difference between the two clubs and how their identity has changed. This club of ours needs money, it would be incredibly hard and impressive for this club to achieve what it could do if there was some funds available. I'm not talking £200 million a season like Chelsea, but enough to mean we can attract the best players in the league but still making sure we aren't losing sight of what we're trying to do. Mandaric never allowed Portsmouth to throw masses of money at players and then let them go for nothing like Chelsea are doing. His last year at Pompey was abit dubious and there were some seriously dodgy signings, but i'd put that more down to him backing the manager. Hire the right manager and it's not a problem. If you look at Pompey's first team now, there are still plenty of players in there that have been with the club alot longer than any Leicester player. Primus, Hughes, O'Neil, Todorov, Taylor, etc. Mandaric wants to be a success with the clubs he owns, but he hasn't got endless finances to piss up the wall in doing so, but he's got enought to be able to give a team proper financial backing. I'd welcome him here.
ROSSINDA Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Aren't Portsmouth the 'Real' Portsmouth since Mandaric took over about 8 years ago? There's a massive difference between the two clubs and how their identity has changed. This club of ours needs money, it would be incredibly hard and impressive for this club to achieve what it could do if there was some funds available. I'm not talking £200 million a season like Chelsea, but enough to mean we can attract the best players in the league but still making sure we aren't losing sight of what we're trying to do. Mandaric never allowed Portsmouth to throw masses of money at players and then let them go for nothing like Chelsea are doing. His last year at Pompey was abit dubious and there were some seriously dodgy signings, but i'd put that more down to him backing the manager. Hire the right manager and it's not a problem. If you look at Pompey's first team now, there are still plenty of players in there that have been with the club alot longer than any Leicester player. Primus, Hughes, O'Neil, Todorov, Taylor, etc. Mandaric wants to be a success with the clubs he owns, but he hasn't got endless finances to piss up the wall in doing so, but he's got enought to be able to give a team proper financial backing. I'd welcome him here. so would I
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Aren't Portsmouth the 'Real' Portsmouth since Mandaric took over about 8 years ago? There's a massive difference between the two clubs and how their identity has changed. This club of ours needs money, it would be incredibly hard and impressive for this club to achieve what it could do if there was some funds available. I'm not talking £200 million a season like Chelsea, but enough to mean we can attract the best players in the league but still making sure we aren't losing sight of what we're trying to do. Mandaric never allowed Portsmouth to throw masses of money at players and then let them go for nothing like Chelsea are doing. His last year at Pompey was abit dubious and there were some seriously dodgy signings, but i'd put that more down to him backing the manager. Hire the right manager and it's not a problem. If you look at Pompey's first team now, there are still plenty of players in there that have been with the club alot longer than any Leicester player. Primus, Hughes, O'Neil, Todorov, Taylor, etc. Mandaric wants to be a success with the clubs he owns, but he hasn't got endless finances to piss up the wall in doing so, but he's got enought to be able to give a team proper financial backing. I'd welcome him here. He's been told that before, his selective hearing kicked in.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 He's been told that before, he's selective hearing kicked in. FOREIGN MERCENARIES THE LOT OF 'EM!
Foxes_Trust Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Stop and think Ultra That statement was not suppouse to be taken literally. The FT should be informing us about the take over (if one exists) in general, not us informing them. When we have definitive information we will issue something on our website. Currently we have been utilising our contacts to gather information. We believe the interest is more than paper talk, but that doesn't mean a bid will result. The Foxes Trust board met last night & have developed a strategy to cover a whole range of scenarios. We will be prepared should anything happen & will be ready to met up with any bidder should a bid materialise. However if any poster obtains information (and we don't mean 3rd hand rumours) then we need to know to add to our knowledge of the situation
Ric Flair Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 When we have definitive information we will issue something on our website. Currently we have been utilising our contacts to gather information. We believe the interest is more than paper talk, but that doesn't mean a bid will result. The Foxes Trust board met last night & have developed a strategy to cover a whole range of scenarios. We will be prepared should anything happen & will be ready to met up with any bidder should a bid materialise. However if any poster obtains information (and we don't mean 3rd hand rumours) then we need to know to add to our knowledge of the situation Are you in a position to reveal whether you think it would be a good thing if Mandaric were to buy the club?
Nationwider Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 Are you in a position to reveal whether you think it would be a good thing if Mandaric were to buy the club? I would imagine that depends on the terms of the offer he makes, and possibly what it means for the Trust itself?
Nationwider Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 However if any poster obtains information (and we don't mean 3rd hand rumours) then we need to know to add to our knowledge of the situation My earlier post was 3rd hand tittle-tattle. Apologies for stirring the gravy. There IS a link though!
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 When we have definitive information we will issue something on our website. Currently we have been utilising our contacts to gather information. We believe the interest is more than paper talk, but that doesn't mean a bid will result. The Foxes Trust board met last night & have developed a strategy to cover a whole range of scenarios. We will be prepared should anything happen & will be ready to met up with any bidder should a bid materialise. However if any poster obtains information (and we don't mean 3rd hand rumours) then we need to know to add to our knowledge of the situation Intresting......incredibly vague and you haven't explained why you think this is, but still intresting.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 When we have definitive information we will issue something on our website. Currently we have been utilising our contacts to gather information. We believe the interest is more than paper talk, but that doesn't mean a bid will result. The Foxes Trust board met last night & have developed a strategy to cover a whole range of scenarios. We will be prepared should anything happen & will be ready to met up with any bidder should a bid materialise. However if any poster obtains information (and we don't mean 3rd hand rumours) then we need to know to add to our knowledge of the situation So...many...words...so...little...information...
dynamite foxes Posted 30 August 2006 Posted 30 August 2006 I tell you what Thracian why don't you run the club or become a manager. Why come on here if you can never be positive. I am fed up of you moaning about Youth and Alan Sheehan. He is not playing because he is a big head and needs to grow up and take more responsibility. If you were manager we would be playing our under 19s and thta would be really good wouldn't it. Your posts are so long I hardly ever bother to read them and they are mostly arrogant rubbish anyway.
davieG Posted 30 August 2006 Author Posted 30 August 2006 I tell you what Thracian why don't you run the club or become a manager. Why come on here if you can never be positive. I am fed up of you moaning about Youth and Alan Sheehan. He is not playing because he is a big head and needs to grow up and take more responsibility. If you were manager we would be playing our under 19s and thta would be really good wouldn't it. Your posts are so long I hardly ever bother to read them and they are mostly arrogant rubbish anyway. And of course your post is intelligent, contributes to and raises the standard of debate. Demonstrates an ability to read and interpret information in a clear, concise, constructive and respectful way and will have people clamouring to read your next contribution. I think not.
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